Johannes Spors

[Doctoroncall]

Surely any assessment at any time will have its limitations and can only judge on what has happened, even then fans will not have all the facts. That’s one reason companies continually assess and make adjustments to the ways of working to improve. I’m sure folks will make another assessment at the beginning of October to see how the team are performing and the new team mates are adjusting.
 

one thing to note compared to last time Saints went down is the circumstances are a little more challenging with a large squad and more players to go out. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Doctoroncall said:

Surely any assessment at any time will have its limitations and can only judge on what has happened, even then fans will not have all the facts. That’s one reason companies continually assess and make adjustments to the ways of working to improve. I’m sure folks will make another assessment at the beginning of October to see how the team are performing and the new team mates are adjusting.
 

one thing to note compared to last time Saints went down is the circumstances are a little more challenging with a large squad and more players to go out. 

Of course any judgement will have limitations. I don't think it will happen but I'm happy to say that Spertsyan looks to be a really good ambitious signing for a club like us. He may sign and then be rubbish but I can still applaud the club for their dealings in the transfer market. Similarly someone like fellows with a proven record of success in this division is likely to do very well for us this year if we signed him. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

MLG has it time stamped into his calendar about when you make a judgement on who. 

[Doctoroncall]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Of course any judgement will have limitations. I don't think it will happen but I'm happy to say that Spertsyan looks to be a really good ambitious signing for a club like us. He may sign and then be rubbish but I can still applaud the club for their dealings in the transfer market. Similarly someone like fellows with a proven record of success in this division is likely to do very well for us this year if we signed him. 

I’m glad you agree. It seemed that some only wanted to assess at a certain time. 

[Fabrice29]

47 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Of course it's a big two weeks for him. It's his job to improve the squad. Two years ago we brought in two players in particular who were starters and improved the team immediately without any need to acclimatise to the country or develop. That's the standard that he will be judged against. Can we bring in those two or three players that will hit the ground running, slot straight into the team and be decent replacements for those who will inevitably leave. We will see that fairly soon after the window closes if not earlier. We don't have to wait till the end of the season to make a comparison to between those types of signings. 

I’m not entirely sure I agree that we should be judging Spors on how well signings fit into the team and when considering that’s Stills job but I am glad you agree that seeing players play first is decent way of judging them.

[Fabrice29]

41 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Of course any judgement will have limitations. I don't think it will happen but I'm happy to say that Spertsyan looks to be a really good ambitious signing for a club like us. He may sign and then be rubbish but I can still applaud the club for their dealings in the transfer market. Similarly someone like fellows with a proven record of success in this division is likely to do very well for us this year if we signed him. 

Then again 🤣

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not entirely sure I agree that we should be judging Spors on how well signings fit into the team and when considering that’s Stills job but I am glad you agree that seeing players play first is decent way of judging them.

I don't agree with you that it's rash unless you wait until the end of the season to judge players. Of course we should judge Spors on how signings perform. Still has some responsibility as well of course. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Then again 🤣

You're making no sense at all. Hypothetically if we signed Haaland I'd be applauding the club for their ambition and for signing a good player. He could still turn out not to play very well for us. How is that a difficult concept for you to grasp? 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

You're making no sense at all. Hypothetically if we signed Haaland I'd be applauding the club for their ambition and for signing a good player. He could still turn out not to play very well for us. How is that a difficult concept for you to grasp? 

Well I’ve seen Haaland play for a start so I’d probably applaud too. Fair play, you’ve won me over. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Well I’ve seen Haaland play for a start so I’d probably applaud too. Fair play, you’ve won me over. 

Right and I've seen Fellows and Spertsyan play. What's your point. 

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Right and I've seen Fellows and Spertsyan play. What's your point. 

I’m not comparing why I’d be slightly more happy immediately if we signed Haaland than if we signed Fellows or Spertsyan with you. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’m not comparing why I’d be slightly more happy immediately if we signed Haaland than if we signed Fellows or Spertsyan with you. 

It was a hypothetical extreme example to make a point. Using your own logic we'd be unable to make judgements about players and the people who brought them to the club until we had seen them play for a long period for saints- possibly even the end of the season. 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It was a hypothetical extreme example to make a point. Using your own logic we'd be unable to make judgements about players and the people who brought them to the club until we had seen them play for a long period for saints- possibly even the end of the season. 

Yeah, well in your hypothetical world you’ve proven your point. 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Wouldn't actually seeing any players that are signed play a decent sample of games make more sense than just waiting until the end of the window?

Likewise, wouldn't it make sense to wait until your brand new car has got 30 or 40 thousand miles on it before making any judgement about how it performs?  After all, you need time to consider it fully right?  Bloody car reviewers and their snap judgements.  What do they know?

[S-Clarke]

10 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Johannes Spors - fraud, failure or fantastic?

How would we all rate his first window?

Why are we rating a first window which hasn't ended yet? Seems a bit daft.

I've always said the best value comes at the end, loans, dominos falling into place and all that. If we're sat here in Sept with Dibling sold and the same squad, then yes, we can be a bit concerned - but you can't rate him yet.

I'd also add that it will take a couple of windows to cycle through the squad. Some players we want rid of won't go this window, it may be January or next summer - so that has to be taken into consideration. This wasn't an overnight window fix job, the squad has been entirely fucked for years and needs a reset which will take a couple of windows to cycle through.

We'll get an idea how things have started by the start of Sept for sure, but I don't think it can be a full judgement even at that point.

[Gloucester Saint]

35 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Why are we rating a first window which hasn't ended yet? Seems a bit daft.

I've always said the best value comes at the end, loans, dominos falling into place and all that. If we're sat here in Sept with Dibling sold and the same squad, then yes, we can be a bit concerned - but you can't rate him yet.

I'd also add that it will take a couple of windows to cycle through the squad. Some players we want rid of won't go this window, it may be January or next summer - so that has to be taken into consideration. This wasn't an overnight window fix job, the squad has been entirely fucked for years and needs a reset which will take a couple of windows to cycle through.

We'll get an idea how things have started by the start of Sept for sure, but I don't think it can be a full judgement even at that point.

We need to get tougher though with the obvious want-aways like Aribo plus dropping the asking price. Make it clear that the u23s beckons in a WC year and give him a week to get his arse out of the door. 

Edozie I don’t mind so much as it’s more the club’s decision and was decent in the Champ last time.

Edited 8 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

We need to get tougher though with the obvious want-aways like Aribo plus dropping the asking price. Make it clear that the u23s beckons in a WC year and give him a week to get his arse out of the door. 

Edozie I don’t mind so much as it’s more the club’s decision and was decent in the Champ last time.

It's not really Aribo's fault if nobody comes in for him with a sensible bid so why the need to punish him for not leaving?

[Dusic]

In some ways I think we are in the best place we have been for a very long time regarding the level of deadwood/dross.

Acknowledging the very specific ABK situation I find it hard to get worked up about the likes of Aribo or Smallbone, both of whom were very good last time at this level. Due to contract length it represents a good business time to move them on but if we end up with Aribo for another season we wil certainly find a use for him and he seems a good character.

BBD and the couple of RBs would be ideal candidates to move on if we could but as with Aribo & Smallbone they are largely players who can do a job at this level rather than being a total waste of space.

All clubs talk about getting rid of their dross but not sure we are any different than the norm tbh.

The sales that will make more of a difference to who we bring in will be Dibling and Fernandes.

Edited 7 hours ago by Dusic

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It's not really Aribo's fault if nobody comes in for him with a sensible bid so why the need to punish him for not leaving?

One of the biggest earners, always stories from his agent about not being happy or wanting to go to Turkey, Saudi, wherever it is.

Did reasonably well it has to be said in 23/24 but for a senior player hasn’t delivered consistently overall and want to see the back of his agent. I’m not sure he’s suited to Still’s system either. A data-influenced Ankerson signing. 

Don’t dislike him but he isn’t signing another contract and don’t think he’ll be offered one. Take the money elsewhere and go. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Gloucester Saint