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Posted
15 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Fans. Just a funny tidbit imo which sort of reflects how they see themselves nowadays

Thanks. If they prefer Neto to Ramsdale, that's fine by me.

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Posted
39 minutes ago, Strangely Brown said:

So is there actually any transfer news? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yes. We are on the verge of signing a new striker. A price seems to have been agreed.
Edozie has been linked with Bruge, but no negotiations have taken placer.
Ramsdale hasn't been sold yet - he's at training looking happy.
I think that's about it for today, so far.

 

Posted
37 minutes ago, egg said:

1. Show pony - runs around looking skillful, but doesn't create. He never gets his head up. He's a frustrating player. Initially he got me on the edge of my seat. That stopped when it became clear that he'd rarely do anything to celebrate. 

2. Daft question as the choice isn't Edozie or BBD. The answer is a wide player who does something meaningful with the ball. 

 

Show Pony or a Donkey

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Posted

Regarding Edozie, I honestly think it would be short sighted to sell him now.

I echo what others have said, at times he looked dangerous in the Championship.

Just missing the end product but has the ability to be direct and beat people.

Anything less than what we originally paid for him I would dismiss with the aim to keep. 

 

 

 

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Posted
18 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Nothing new here really, but German Athletic correspondent confirming what Alfie told us last week. 

I saw either on Beeb or telegraph that the asking price for Sargant is 16 million. While wages etc would have to be agreed, it's a price within our range for an improving, and already capable Championship forward.

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Posted (edited)
55 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Which is why the worst 3 words in the English language are

"Turkish has replied"

worse than "rail replacement service" ?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I saw either on Beeb or telegraph that the asking price for Sargant is 16 million. While wages etc would have to be agreed, it's a price within our range for an improving, and already capable Championship forward.

It's reported Norwich are only open to selling him to a Premier League side, or abroad. Certainly looks like Leeds are at the front of the queue for him. 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Verbal said:

Which is why the worst 3 words in the English language are

"Turkish has replied"

FACT check

It would say 

"Turkish quoted you"

Anyway i thought your wife banned your from posting on here? Still going against her wishes?

Posted
31 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Regarding Edozie, I honestly think it would be short sighted to sell him now.

I echo what others have said, at times he looked dangerous in the Championship.

Just missing the end product but has the ability to be direct and beat people.

Anything less than what we originally paid for him I would dismiss with the aim to keep. 

 

 

 

I'm inclined to agree. He was in good form up until he was cynically taken out against Norwich. Even if his G/A assist stats aren't all that, the one thing he excels at is keeping defenders occupied, which creates space for others. I think we should at least see how well he plays in Still's system before writing him off completely.

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Posted
27 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Bah! 🙂

I remember him from when he played for Everton and was one of the worst players I have seen in the Prem. Was better in the Champ and could probably do a job for us, but I suspect he'll show that Prem form again if he joins Leeds. If they're counting on him they could be in for a long season.

Posted (edited)

I just can’t bring myself to believe Ramsdale will be here for the season - Relatively affordable for pretty much the entire Prem league.

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Posted
56 minutes ago, DT said:

I remember him from when he played for Everton and was one of the worst players I have seen in the Prem. Was better in the Champ and could probably do a job for us, but I suspect he'll show that Prem form again if he joins Leeds. If they're counting on him they could be in for a long season.

I've seen him a lot for Norwich, where he's progressed from lump to decent in our budget forward. Last season,he worked well with Sainz, and got to fucus on improving in other areas, when he had a good creative player with him.

Posted
57 minutes ago, DT said:

I remember him from when he played for Everton and was one of the worst players I have seen in the Prem. Was better in the Champ and could probably do a job for us, but I suspect he'll show that Prem form again if he joins Leeds. If they're counting on him they could be in for a long season.

If you're talking about Sargent the only British team he's played for are Norwich. He did play a season in the prem when he was quite young and they got relegated.

Posted
1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

I just can’t bring myself to believe Ramsdale will be here for the season - Relatively affordable for pretty much the entire Prem league.

I agree. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could do a Newcastle and just keep all of our best players and smash the league? This is not the Southampton way, or the reality for 99% of relegated teams.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

 or the reality for 99% of relegated teams.

Plenty of relegated teams are able to keep at least 1 of their top/better players 

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Why do people keep going on about Sargent? Have we ever even been linked with him? Plus he's a pretty average championship striker whose stock seems to get higher the longer the window goes on.

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I've seen Josh Brownhill mentioned on here before. Currently without a club having been released by Burnley. 18 goals and 6 assists in 42 Championship matches last season and 7 goals and 8 assists in 41 matches in the 22-23 season. Could he fit the midfielder profile we're supposedly still looking for? Obviously Burnley don't fancy him as a PL player, but bags of Championship experience (and end product:p). A 2 year contract might work (although in fairness, the last 2 year contract we offered to a player released by Burnley (Taylor) hasn't worked out very well:facepalm:).

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Posted
9 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

I agree. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could do a Newcastle and just keep all of our best players and smash the league? This is not the Southampton way, or the reality for 99% of relegated teams.

Picture it, the terror on John Mousinho’s face as a seventh goes in and we move 10 points clear.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, CamSaint said:

I've seen Josh Brownhill mentioned on here before. Currently without a club having been released by Burnley. 18 goals and 6 assists in 42 Championship matches last season and 7 goals and 8 assists in 41 matches in the 22-23 season. Could he fit the midfielder profile we're supposedly still looking for? Obviously Burnley don't fancy him as a PL player, but bags of Championship experience (and end product:p). A 2 year contract might work (although in fairness, the last 2 year contract we offered to a player released by Burnley (Taylor) hasn't worked out very well:facepalm:).

I’m not sure that’s the case, I’m fairly sure he’s the one looking at other PL options, rather than Burnley casting off their top scorer from last season.

If we could get him it’d be an absolute no brainer but I can’t see it being feasible.

Posted
2 hours ago, Chez said:

What does spend the money on "quality you know" manifest into in terms of a player you think we should be signing this summer? Ben Mee rather than Quarshie perhaps? Josh Maja instead of Downs?

 

Yeah possibly. Not necessarily those two but others have mentioned players from the championship or out of favour prem which could be bought and still have a likelihood of further development. This would give us more certainty in what they can deliver for us this year as well as onwards. Seems to me that we have been buying on mainly development and sell on opportunity. Like was said by someone. We bought Lambert, the best there was to get us up and good enough to stay with us and further develop. He mentions how he was helped to get fitter and better. 

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m not sure that’s the case, I’m fairly sure he’s the one looking at other PL options, rather than Burnley casting off their top scorer from last season.

Fair enough, I didn't realise that. I thought that perhaps Burnley were being ruthless, as probably we should have been last year with AA, as stats-wise (I know, I know) Brownhill wasn't anywhere near as prolific in the PL in 23-24 when they got relegated.

Posted
7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m not sure that’s the case, I’m fairly sure he’s the one looking at other PL options, rather than Burnley casting off their top scorer from last season.

If we could get him it’d be an absolute no brainer but I can’t see it being feasible.

Linked with Everton, West Ham and the wealthier MLS clubs. Ipswich seem to be trying but no chance against those clubs. West Ham fans seem to think they’re in front but staying in the NW plus new stadium could be tempting. Especially the dug outs.

Posted
29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why do people keep going on about Sargent? Have we ever even been linked with him? Plus he's a pretty average championship striker whose stock seems to get higher the longer the window goes on.

Today's chat is probably off the back of my price comparison. Between the 16 million, Norwich are reportedly looking for, for an established and improving  Championship player, and our 8 million SR lets-hope-he-comes-good punt on Downs.

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Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Today's chat is probably off the back of my price comparison. Between the 16 million, Norwich are reportedly looking for, for an established and improving  Championship player, and our 8 million SR lets-hope-he-comes-good punt on Downs.

You are ignoring the fact that Downs is young, hungry and therefore GUARENTEED to improve. 

Posted (edited)

Re the rumour that Ramsdale's not necessarily itching to leave -

If we're really offering him £100k a week to stay, then that's a good start as it might mean the decision doesn't just come down to money (which is obviously usually all that matters). 

There's no reason to disbelieve that he might like the club, have his family settled, think that the offer on the table to stay could work financially etc. So if the money can be put to one side to an extent then I guess it would simply be a question of whether he feels the other aspects of any offers that come in for him are significantly better than giving us another season would be. 

There's a slightly plausible situation where if his other offers are from say, shite Northern teams like Burnley or Sunderland - where it would mean Prem football but uprooting his family again, having another horrible season and getting hammered every week with almost certain relegation at the end of it, for a similar amount or only slightly more - he might just think that it's not worth it and give us one more year to see if we can get straight back up. 

With three relegations on his CV already you can definitely see a scenario where a season of banking a hundred grand a week while winning most weeks and challenging for an honour, albeit in a league below, might actually be more appealing than uprooting everything to go to a PL struggler just to get battered and relegated again. It might actually be better for his prospects of getting into the England squad to be in a winning team and would probably be more enjoyable. It might at least give him something to think about. 

What would presumably be game over though is if someone half-decent and based in the south comes in for him. A West Ham, Fulham, Brighton type club, so he doesn't have to worry about relocation or relegation. And sadly I think there will definitely be at least one of those, if not more, by the end of the window, because he's shown he's good enough for most teams in that league and I think at least one of the more attractive ones will come in for him. It would be great if Bournemouth weren't interested though as it would at least take the most obvious one out of the equation. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Why do people keep going on about Sargent? Have we ever even been linked with him? Plus he's a pretty average championship striker whose stock seems to get higher the longer the window goes on.

Gets injured a fair bit too I think? 

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Posted
3 hours ago, richardc said:

Show Pony or a Donkey

We have some CB’s who might fall into the Cart Horse category as well. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I’m not sure that’s the case, I’m fairly sure he’s the one looking at other PL options, rather than Burnley casting off their top scorer from last season.

If we could get him it’d be an absolute no brainer but I can’t see it being feasible.

Yeah, Everton and West Ham are after him. Burnley would have kept him if he'd signed a new contract. 

Posted
18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

 

When we went down to L1, we bought the best players for the level we were at, players who were ready to come in and start on day one. They supplemented the likes of Morgan and Lallana, so we could aid the kids with experience around them. We got lucky as the team grew with each other and improved with each other, but like you say it's all about signing good players at the end of the day.

I'm not against signing or bringing through young players at all, but it's all about balance. I just don't want the focus to be solely on signing talented young players, if we don't have the proven quality around them then they're never going to progress. 

I'm intrigued to see how we look in September.

A few notable differences though when we went into L1.

We had a new owner and CEO who were ambitious for the club, and intent on making their mark. Despite the interviews recently you don’t immediately read this from Spors, as much of an improvement that he seems to be.

We bought the best striker in the division, not an untried 19 year old for the future 

We also brought in a manager who was above the level we were playing at, to give an immediate lift and a message on our ambition. 
 

Agree with what your saying.

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Posted (edited)

To those who want shot of Sam Edozie I’m wondering who on earth you are expecting Saints to buy to replace him? It’s so easy to say “ yeah sell him show pony” but who you got in mind for that role then that’s not? 

IF that alleged Bruges bid is taken seriously I’d expect TWO decent incoming wingers. Players like Sam are amongst the most disposable easy to blame in football - yet mediocre mfs and defenders who never risk anything can get pencilled in every week without fail. Saints lose him, Tyler and Mateus I’m wondering wtf I wasted my season ticket on- a team of nil entertainment value 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

To those who want shot of Sam Edozie I’m wondering who on earth you are expecting Saints to buy to replace him? It’s so easy to say “ yeah sell him show pony” but who you got in mind for that role then that’s not? 

IF that alleged Bruges bid is taken seriously I’d expect TWO decent incoming wingers. Players like Sam are amongst the most disposable easy to blame in football - yet mediocre mfs and defenders who never risk anything can get pencilled in every week without fail. Saints lose him, Tyler and Mateus I’m wondering wtf I wasted my season ticket on- a team of nil entertainment value mediocrities.  

Agreed. 

He's a good player.

6 goals in his breakout season. 

Consistently beats his man and he's exciting to watch. 

Maybe not Prem standard but certainly better than most other wingers at this level. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Why do people keep going on about Sargent? Have we ever even been linked with him? Plus he's a pretty average championship striker whose stock seems to get higher the longer the window goes on.

Not sure you can describe him as a Pretty Average Championship Striker. 

23/24 . 16 goals in 26 games.

24/25. 15 goals in 32 games.  

Best goals to mins played ratio over the last two seasons. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

To those who want shot of Sam Edozie I’m wondering who on earth you are expecting Saints to buy to replace him? It’s so easy to say “ yeah sell him show pony” but who you got in mind for that role then that’s not? 

IF that alleged Bruges bid is taken seriously I’d expect TWO decent incoming wingers. Players like Sam are amongst the most disposable easy to blame in football - yet mediocre mfs and defenders who never risk anything can get pencilled in every week without fail. Saints lose him, Tyler and Mateus I’m wondering wtf I wasted my season ticket on- a team of nil entertainment value 

You do know we employ teams of scouts & recruitment people to sign players who fit the style, have the right level of ability or potential and are within our budget and wage structure so who we have in mind to replace doesn't make any difference. He's another, been here 3 years and done very little, he's hardly ripped it up in Belgium either which is a poor league. Yes he had a little purple patch in the championship but other than that not done very much yet lots of people say they want keep him based on half a dozen decent games. Like Sulemana, would he be any loss if he was sold? No is the answer. 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Agreed. 

He's a good player.

6 goals in his breakout season. 

Consistently beats his man and he's exciting to watch. 

Maybe not Prem standard but certainly better than most other wingers at this level. 

 

Totally agree

Posted

Should've known better than to believe that Belgian man regarding Edozie. According to his reports two years back we sold Lavia about 10 times before he eventually ended up at Chelsea.

If Edozie does stay, fine. But, I don't think he fits the physical profile we're looking for this summer. Of course not every player has to be an athletic monster. But, I think Edozie very much goes in the other extreme, of looking fairly weak and fragile and could easily get knocked off the ball in the league above. Needs to hit the weights.

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To add further to my pro Edozie stance.

Similar to Smallbone they both showed enough quality in enough games to convince me they can do a decent job for us at Championship level. 

Are they nailed on, first name on the teamsheet type players...of course not . 

I'm assuming we want a squad of players , not just a first 11 and imo these two would do a good job for us as they both proved in the 23/24. 

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15 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Not sure you can describe him as a Pretty Average Championship Striker. 

23/24 . 16 goals in 26 games.

24/25. 15 goals in 32 games.  

Best goals to mins played ratio over the last two seasons. 

yeah his goal record is okay whilst not being outstanding, every time i've seen him i've not been overly impressed, just looks an average sort of player who you see dozens of.

Posted
14 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

To add further to my pro Edozie stance.

Similar to Smallbone they both showed enough quality in enough games to convince me they can do a decent job for us at Championship level. 

Are they nailed on, first name on the teamsheet type players...of course not . 

I'm assuming we want a squad of players , not just a first 11 and imo these two would do a good job for us as they both proved in the 23/24. 

It’s what the players want as well, Edozie reportedly wasn’t happy at being loaned to Anderlecht and didn’t pull trees up when he was there. If there’s options where he’s more likely to be a XI regulate he may want to look at them.

Smallbone is into the final year of his contract and in his mid-20s. If a club at our level mid-lower table wants to sign him and offer him a three year deal, he’s not turning that down if it keeps him in the RoI squad and a first team regular in a set-up using a central three. Not sure he’s a Will Still player either. 

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20 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

To add further to my pro Edozie stance.

Similar to Smallbone they both showed enough quality in enough games to convince me they can do a decent job for us at Championship level. 

Are they nailed on, first name on the teamsheet type players...of course not . 

I'm assuming we want a squad of players , not just a first 11 and imo these two would do a good job for us as they both proved in the 23/24. 

Decent enough players but both could do with a bit of serious weight training to build up some strength. Would make them far more effective.

Posted
2 hours ago, saint michael said:

Yeah possibly. Not necessarily those two but others have mentioned players from the championship or out of favour prem which could be bought and still have a likelihood of further development. This would give us more certainty in what they can deliver for us this year as well as onwards. Seems to me that we have been buying on mainly development and sell on opportunity. Like was said by someone. We bought Lambert, the best there was to get us up and good enough to stay with us and further develop. He mentions how he was helped to get fitter and better. 

Who though? Players mentioned on here often are pie in the sky. Brownhill and and Sainz for example or not signing for championship sides. Who are these out of favour PL players you mentioned? I've seen Ferguson mentioned, but I can't see him dropping down a division. And that's the issue. Signing quality is very difficult in the championship. 

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2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

I just can’t bring myself to believe Ramsdale will be here for the season - Relatively affordable for pretty much the entire Prem league.

Be great if Ramsdale stays, but if the club are seeking to agree something with him then ideally I hope it can be agreed by a certain date (early August) by player and club.

If he’s intending to bugger off then earlier the better to bring in a replacement. 

Unfortunately no matter how well intended there’s always the risk that injury to a Prem GK may lead to an unwanted bid and his head being turned near the end of the window.

Whatever else, please let’s not go into next season with Bazunu anywhere near the first team. 

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Posted
43 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

Should've known better than to believe that Belgian man regarding Edozie. According to his reports two years back we sold Lavia about 10 times before he eventually ended up at Chelsea.

If Edozie does stay, fine. But, I don't think he fits the physical profile we're looking for this summer. Of course not every player has to be an athletic monster. But, I think Edozie very much goes in the other extreme, of looking fairly weak and fragile and could easily get knocked off the ball in the league above. Needs to hit the weights.

Can’t imagine a Belgian club offering a decent fee for him. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Be great if Ramsdale stays, but if the club are seeking to agree something with him then ideally I hope it can be agreed by a certain date (early August) by player and club.

If he’s intending to bugger off then earlier the better to bring in a replacement. 

Unfortunately no matter how well intended there’s always the risk that injury to a Prem GK may lead to an unwanted bid and his head being turned near the end of the window.

Whatever else, please let’s not go into next season with Bazunu anywhere near the first team

This is my big concern. Hopefully Will Still will do his homework and, if he does, that should alert him to the fact that Baz should not be our number one 'keeper.

Posted
2 hours ago, saint michael said:

Yeah possibly. Not necessarily those two but others have mentioned players from the championship or out of favour prem which could be bought and still have a likelihood of further development. This would give us more certainty in what they can deliver for us this year as well as onwards. Seems to me that we have been buying on mainly development and sell on opportunity. Like was said by someone. We bought Lambert, the best there was to get us up and good enough to stay with us and further develop. He mentions how he was helped to get fitter and better. 

This is all well and good until we get up and you want us to replace those players because they aren't proven at the next level.

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Re the rumour that Ramsdale's not necessarily itching to leave -

If we're really offering him £100k a week to stay, then that's a good start as it might mean the decision doesn't just come down to money (which is obviously usually all that matters). 

There's no reason to disbelieve that he might like the club, have his family settled, think that the offer on the table to stay could work financially etc. So if the money can be put to one side to an extent then I guess it would simply be a question of whether he feels the other aspects of any offers that come in for him are significantly better than giving us another season would be. 

There's a slightly plausible situation where if his other offers are from say, shite Northern teams like Burnley or Sunderland - where it would mean Prem football but uprooting his family again, having another horrible season and getting hammered every week with almost certain relegation at the end of it, for a similar amount or only slightly more - he might just think that it's not worth it and give us one more year to see if we can get straight back up. 

With three relegations on his CV already you can definitely see a scenario where a season of banking a hundred grand a week while winning most weeks and challenging for an honour, albeit in a league below, might actually be more appealing than uprooting everything to go to a PL struggler just to get battered and relegated again. It might actually be better for his prospects of getting into the England squad to be in a winning team and would probably be more enjoyable. It might at least give him something to think about. 

What would presumably be game over though is if someone half-decent and based in the south comes in for him. A West Ham, Fulham, Brighton type club, so he doesn't have to worry about relocation or relegation. And sadly I think there will definitely be at least one of those, if not more, by the end of the window, because he's shown he's good enough for most teams in that league and I think at least one of the more attractive ones will come in for him. It would be great if Bournemouth weren't interested though as it would at least take the most obvious one out of the equation. 

Ramsdale biggest issue is one of the issues that he faced last summer. Affordable to PL teams yes but is spending nearly £20 million value? Clubs will fancy themselves to find a cheaper alternative and only towards the end of the window will patience on either side break. 

Posted
1 minute ago, saintant said:

This is my big concern. Hopefully Will Still will do his homework and, if he does, that should alert him to the fact that Baz should not be our number one 'keeper.

At least Spors won’t have  sky blue City tinted specs on like Wilcox  (and Lego) 

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