Will we avoid beating Derby's record?

[Sarnia Cherie]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Leicester was our only chance of getting to the heights of 12 points, and even Leicester were too strong for us.  Man City are certainly too strong, Everton will come out all guns blazing as their final show at Goodison - that won't be a pretty watch, and Arsenal are also again too strong.

GD in terms of the 'worst on 11 points' will come into the equation without doubt.

We now hold the record for being relegated from the Premier League in the shortest time. Great. That's a record that will stick with Saints for a while. (Good to know we're quick at something). I can't see us getting that elusive point so I have stopped fretting about it. If we get lumbered with Derby's record surely nobody can say we don't deserve it. This has been the worst season in my memory. Shambolic football played by the most unfit team in the League, overseen by 4 hopeless managers and the worst owners we have ever had. 

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

We now hold the record for being relegated from the Premier League in the shortest time. Great. That's a record that will stick with Saints for a while. (Good to know we're quick at something). I can't see us getting that elusive point so I have stopped fretting about it. If we get lumbered with Derby's record surely nobody can say we don't deserve it. This has been the worst season in my memory. Shambolic football played by the most unfit team in the League, overseen by 4 hopeless managers and the worst owners we have ever had. 

I personally think we deserve to have got less points than 11, we have been worse than Derby in that year. Of the 2 meagre wins we got, one was a 1-0 against Everton which was almost 1-1 at the death had it not been for VAR. And a 2-1 at the death win against Ipswich. 

We are very, very fortunate to even have 11 points imo.

[SW5 SAINT]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I personally think we deserve to have got less points than 11, we have been worse than Derby in that year. Of the 2 meagre wins we got, one was a 1-0 against Everton which was almost 1-1 at the death had it not been for VAR. And a 2-1 at the death win against Ipswich. 

We are very, very fortunate to even have 11 points imo.

On the balance there were also matches where we conceded very late goals to lose points - Crystal Palace, Fulham, Man U……!

[VectisSaint]

Not the worst

[Turkish]

Open top bus parade?

 

[sockeye]

Next up we spoil the Goodison leaving party

[Pwoite]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Open top bus parade?

 

Open top minibus just been ordered. 

[Turkish]

Thank you Sports Republic 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[CB Fry]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thank you Sports Republic 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

My kings 🤴 

[HarvSFC]

If Leon Best and Inigo Idiakez didn't miss those penalties, Derby wouldn't have ever got the points record and we'd have become the worst team in Premier League history this season.

It's been a very long time coming, but thank you Best and Idiakez.

[Turkish]

[Saint Neil]

Get this guy in goal next season!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Robbie Savage reading out that his script says that "Saints have now got more points than my Derby."

A quick, light hearted blister about manager and players, before accepting he was captain of it for half a season. Done in good spirits.

Sutton calls our players an embarrassment for celebrating being the second worst team. Doesn't blame the fans who he says have had little to cheer about.

Edit: Savage calls Southampton "pathetic" and now Sutton as "amateur hour" and "loser mentality"

Someone on putting them in their place. Reminding them of them doing a job today, and getting the context completely wrong. Well done caller.

Edited Saturday at 18:44 by Holmes_and_Watson

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, HarvSFC said:

If Leon Best and Inigo Idiakez didn't miss those penalties, Derby wouldn't have ever got the points record and we'd have become the worst team in Premier League history this season.

It's been a very long time coming, but thank you Best and Idiakez.

Excellent 🙂

[Lighthouse]

I'm just glad that when the next team comes up and performs as badly or worse than we do, pundits will once again be talking about 'Derby's record' and not 'Derby and Southampton's record', or even just ours exclusively. TBH I don't think it'll be long before Derby are being talked about again. One year a pretty ordinary Championship team is going to fluke the playoffs and get absolutely walloped in the PL.

[The Kraken]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

One year a pretty ordinary Championship team is going to fluke the playoffs and get absolutely walloped in the PL.

Yeah, about that……..

[Mr Saints]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm just glad that when the next team comes up and performs as badly or worse than we do, pundits will once again be talking about 'Derby's record' and not 'Derby and Southampton's record', or even just ours exclusively. TBH I don't think it'll be long before Derby are being talked about again. One year a pretty ordinary Championship team is going to fluke the playoffs and get absolutely walloped in the PL.

Agreed, every mention of the word Southampton would have linked back to the poxy points record.

Thank fuck we scraped past it.

[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Yeah, about that……..

We were a decent Championship team and the next best after Leicester and Ipswich. Imagine if someone like Millwall or Bristol City had won this years playoffs, they could easily finish on single figures in the PL and break all sorts of unwanted records.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

We were a decent Championship team and the next best after Leicester and Ipswich. Imagine if someone like Millwall or Bristol City had won this years playoffs, they could easily finish on single figures in the PL and break all sorts of unwanted records.

We won a cup competition but finished fourth in the league, not sure I can tally your assessment there. 

Would be great if Bristol City could miracle themselves into the top league though. You saying they’d be a disaster kind of forgets about Luton Town getting there just the season before this one. Small club and certainly didn’t embarrass themselves.

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

We won a cup competition but finished fourth in the league, not sure I can tally your assessment there. 

Would be great if Bristol City could miracle themselves into the top league though. You saying they’d be a disaster kind of forgets about Luton Town getting there just the season before this one. Small club and certainly didn’t embarrass themselves.

We finished three points behind Leeds but beat them three times, including the all or nothing game that really mattered. Luton finished third when they won they playoffs, so hardly in fluke territory either. I'm talking about the kind of club which was 8th on the last day but snuck into the top six on GD, for example.

[The Kraken]

Maybe if Arsenal get a result at Anfield tomorrow, Arteta can claim Arsenal are actually better than Liverpool because of the head to head record. That sounds logical.

Actually he probably would do that tbf.

[SaintsBarry74]

Thank God we dodged that bullet.

Now only a couple 9-0s, most home defeats in a season and few other dismal records that are easily forgettable.

Big Jan’s stuck around through it all - club legend.

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Maybe if Arsenal get a result at Anfield tomorrow, Arteta can claim Arsenal are actually better than Liverpool because of the head to head record. That sounds logical.

Actually he probably would do that tbf.

Good grief, has MLG borrowed your log in details, or do you really need to be spoon fed the exact details of every analogy? We matched Leeds pretty much exactly across the whole season (both P49 W28 D10 L11) and beat them in the one game which really mattered. There wasbasically nothing in it, if you think Leeds were better then wonderful, carry on.

The point is that Saints (and Leeds and Luton) were all very good Championship teams who've made the playoffs in recent years. However it's far from impossible for a much worse team than us to win them one year and end up on the wrong end of a 10-0 and single figure points tally.

[The Kraken]

Got it, we’re into entirely made up scenarios. Sorry, I misunderstood 👍

[SW5 SAINT]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I'm just glad that when the next team comes up and performs as badly or worse than we do, pundits will once again be talking about 'Derby's record' and not 'Derby and Southampton's record', or even just ours exclusively. TBH I don't think it'll be long before Derby are being talked about again. One year a pretty ordinary Championship team is going to fluke the playoffs and get absolutely walloped in the PL.

I think that’s just happened…..! Anyway, the disappointment from along the M27 that we did just scrape that point is palpable…..

Edited Sunday at 08:35 by SW5 SAINT

[Turkish]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Good grief, has MLG borrowed your log in details, or do you really need to be spoon fed the exact details of every analogy? We matched Leeds pretty much exactly across the whole season (both P49 W28 D10 L11) and beat them in the one game which really mattered. There wasbasically nothing in it, if you think Leeds were better then wonderful, carry on.

The point is that Saints (and Leeds and Luton) were all very good Championship teams who've made the playoffs in recent years. However it's far from impossible for a much worse team than us to win them one year and end up on the wrong end of a 10-0 and single figure points tally.

You could argue Nottingham forest did exactly that in 2021/22. Bottom of the table in September had a good run after Christmas to get into the play offs, won the semi on penalties and the final 1-0 thanks for an own goal. 
 

they seem to have done alright…

[Saint Fan CaM]

In analysing the game I find it interesting to note that Man City pretty much handed us that draw because their usual method of play is to break down 11 man defences (just the same as Russ tried to get us to do). We rarely gave them the opportunity to break at speed and therefore our usual defensive frailties were not tested much. The team sheet and tactics were as good as Rusk could muster and it worked, however our attacking threat was almost non-existent which clearly will not win games even in the Championship. In many other games this season, moving two wing backs and midfielders forward has meant an exposed defence and goals given away and Championship teams often rely on fast breaks and crosses into the box for a big striker to get their goals.

So thinking ahead to next season, it’s clear to me that this squad is just not suited to those tactics - if we want to get anywhere near the playoffs or indeed auto’s, we’ll need to win games by scoring goals. We’ll need to be quick on the break and we’ll need to press high up the pitch. That’s not what this squad is designed to do - nowhere near - big changes needed. No five at the back. No slow ponderous players - goodbye to the likes of Bednarek, Manning and Tall Paul as starters. No selfish players who don’t know how to attack the goal by putting in teammates - goodbye Sulemana.

[east-stand-nic]

I was hoping for at least a point at home to Arsenal last game, thinking they would have nothing to play for. But they have slipped up bad and before us have to get points from Liverpool and Newcastle. If they don't, then they will probably end up needing to beat us to get second place. So, we need to hope they can spoil the scouse party today and win at Anfield.

[VectisSaint]

3 points needed to equal Sunderland. New target.

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

You could argue Nottingham forest did exactly that in 2021/22. Bottom of the table in September had a good run after Christmas to get into the play offs, won the semi on penalties and the final 1-0 thanks for an own goal. 
 

they seem to have done alright…

Forest were anything but a bad or even mediocre team. After an awful first six weeks, they got their act together and scored 79 points in 39 games. From mid September onwards they had league winning form and finished fourth, two points behind Hudderfield. By the time they playoffs cam around, they were the best team in it.

[tdmickey3]

19 hours ago, CB Fry said:

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

My kings 🤴 

Are we still on for the greatest era in our history or something 

[S-Clarke]

Well I was surprised yesterday, I needed the rest of the day to recover

what an achievement!

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Forest were anything but a bad or even mediocre team. After an awful first six weeks, they got their act together and scored 79 points in 39 games. From mid September onwards they had league winning form and finished fourth, two points behind Hudderfield. By the time they playoffs cam around, they were the best team in it.

They finished 17th in the 2020/21 season they were bottom of the league end of September.  They went on a great run winning 10 of their last 14 games  to get to the playoffs and then a penalty win and an own goal in the final shows luck was also on their side to some extent. That’s the very definition of what you said about a team getting into the play offs and fluking a win. 

[Jimmy_D]

18 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Robbie Savage reading out that his script says that "Saints have now got more points than my Derby."

A quick, light hearted blister about manager and players, before accepting he was captain of it for half a season. Done in good spirits.

Sutton calls our players an embarrassment for celebrating being the second worst team. Doesn't blame the fans who he says have had little to cheer about.

Edit: Savage calls Southampton "pathetic" and now Sutton as "amateur hour" and "loser mentality"

Someone on putting them in their place. Reminding them of them doing a job today, and getting the context completely wrong. Well done caller.

Did he think the players should just ignore the fans going nuts all around them and go “Y’know, stay quiet, we haven’t been good enough this season to be allowed to celebrate keeping a clean sheet against the champions…” It’s even funnier being able to see how much it’s irked Sutton. Probably ruined his accy or something 

 

 

[Pamplemousse]

I'd say on paper, Blackpool were probably the worst team ability-wise to get promoted, think they finished 6th when they won the play-offs.

Holloway though garnered a proper team spirit and they never gave up, something our players have done too often this season.

On ability alone, we're not that bad and never were, but attitude-wise we have been shocking this season.

Edited Sunday at 14:01 by Pamplemousse

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Jimmy_D said:

Did he think the players should just ignore the fans going nuts all around them and go “Y’know, stay quiet, we haven’t been good enough this season to be allowed to celebrate keeping a clean sheet against the champions…” It’s even funnier being able to see how much it’s irked Sutton. Probably ruined his accy or something 

 

 

He is one of the biggest pricks of the co commentators in the media

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

3 points needed to equal Sunderland. New target.

Saints still having something to play for despite the relegation. A very different table of achievement. 🙂

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Are we still on for the greatest era in our history or something 

"on for"? We're in it! 🙂

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

They finished 17th in the 2020/21 season they were bottom of the league end of September.  They went on a great run winning 10 of their last 14 games  to get to the playoffs and then a penalty win and an own goal in the final shows luck was also on their side to some extent. That’s the very definition of what you said about a team getting into the play offs and fluking a win. 

Correct, it is, so I have no idea why you brought them up.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Correct, it is, so I have no idea why you brought them up.

Because they didn’t do a derby?

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

They finished 17th in the 2020/21 season they were bottom of the league end of September.  They went on a great run winning 10 of their last 14 games  to get to the playoffs and then a penalty win and an own goal in the final shows luck was also on their side to some extent. That’s the very definition of what you said about a team getting into the play offs and fluking a win. 

And the manager who brought it about happens to be available.

[Lighthouse]

24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Because they didn’t do a derby?

So a team I never mentioned, which doesn't in any way meet the criteria of what I was talking about, didn't do the thing I said hypothetically could happen.

[BarberSaint]

11 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And the manager who brought it about happens to be available.

No.

 

Just no. He is a terrible manager who got lucky. He won't get lucky again and I'd rather have Nathan PE Jones than him.

[Turkish]

48 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So a team I never mentioned, which doesn't in any way meet the criteria of what I was talking about, didn't do the thing I said hypothetically could happen.

You specifically said it won’t be long before a team gets lucky and gets promoted and when they do they’ll get their arses handed to them every week. I simply gave you an example of struggling team over a few seasons that hit a rich run of form and did just that and didn’t get their arses handed to them. Sorry it didn’t meant your specific criteria of being 7th all season and getting a lucky win on the last day to sneak into 6th place 🙄

[miserableoldgit]

I reckon we will.....

[SaintsBarry74]

We'll be back in the prem soon enough! Next time we'll show them how it's done.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

You specifically said it won’t be long before a team gets lucky and gets promoted and when they do they’ll get their arses handed to them every week. I simply gave you an example of struggling team over a few seasons that hit a rich run of form and did just that and didn’t get their arses handed to them. Sorry it didn’t meant your specific criteria of being 7th all season and getting a lucky win on the last day to sneak into 6th place 🙄

If you're the best team in the league from mid September onwards, and average over 2 points per game for the last 8 months of the season, you're very clearly not an example of what I was talking about. If you can't see the difference between Forest and a team like Norwich or Bristol City in the last two season then I'm afraid I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you any further.

Forest being crap before they were good isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If you're the best team in the league from mid September onwards, and average over 2 points per game for the last 8 months of the season, you're very clearly not an example of what I was talking about. If you can't see the difference between Forest and a team like Norwich or Bristol City in the last two season then I'm afraid I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you any further.

Forest being crap before they were good isn't the gotcha you seem to think it is.

Forest were shit in 2020/21 and shit for the first two months of 2021/22 where they then hit a great run of form, got into the play offs and got promoted by virtue of an own goal and penalty shoot out win. Unfortunately for your little hypothetical scenario you’re going to struggle to find a team that hovered in upper midtable all season and then got a lucky last day win to get into the play offs however much you might like to pretend it could easily happen. 

[Stud mark of doom]

On 10/05/2025 at 18:34, HarvSFC said:

If Leon Best and Inigo Idiakez didn't miss those penalties, Derby wouldn't have ever got the points record and we'd have become the worst team in Premier League history this season.

It's been a very long time coming, but thank you Best and Idiakez.

Can we have them added to this year’s player of the season Poll? 

Edited yesterday at 06:12 by Stud mark of doom

[Middlewordie]

On 10/05/2025 at 21:57, Lighthouse said:

We were a decent Championship team and the next best after Leicester and Ipswich. Imagine if someone like Millwall or Bristol City had won this years playoffs, they could easily finish on single figures in the PL and break all sorts of unwanted records.

Let's wait to see if we are still a decent Championship team. I'm not sure this season's Saints team would have finished above Millwall or Bristol City.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just noticed the poll was still open and that I never did vote. Let me see...what to pick...🙂