New Manager Debate

[Willo of Whiteley]

Will Still not looking as bad as some of those options now, is he? 😂

It is just the dregs of managers that were going to be linked with. No one with any pedigree or standing in the game.

[CamSaint]

Irrespective of who the next manager is, or what system he employs, what would posters on here be expecting in terms of results in the first, say, 5-10 games? Wilder went back to Sheffield United with much fanfare but has W3 and L5 of his first 8 games. Many on here would have been delighted if we had got Rohl, but he has W2 and L3 in his first 5 matches at Rangers.

Now you could argue that both those men face big jobs to recover from the messes that they inherited, but wouldn't that also be the case for whoever comes here? So what would we consider to be success in the short term before we start calling for another replacement?

[sockeye]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We got to be realistic, who is going to want it? We're a basket case, crap owners, 2 relegations in 3 seasons, almost the worst team ever, appears like a bunch of wankers for players, more likely to get another relegation than promotion but pre season expectations to win the league!! Will Still had a great reputation before he came he and it's shot to bits now inside 3 months. Whoever we appoint is going to be someone a lot of fans will be finding fault with, or saying things like "how far we've fallen" Well guess what, we have and the sort of manager we will attract is going to be the sort of manager a team that has fallen as far as us will get. Gary O'Neil, Micheal Carrick wont be anyones first choice but will we get any better? 

I absolutely agree but the skatey part is a sticking point for me. Maybe it could be forgiven if he was half decent…. But he is crap. 
 

I would pick Carrick honestly.

[Midfield_General]

27 minutes ago, trousers said:

"Once a project manager.... " 😁

How’s the Risk Register looking re O’Neil?

[stfrancisofbenali]

Gary O'Neil was interviewed yesterday and he thought his presentation 'went very well.'

[LGTL]

Gary O’ Neil. Good fucking god.

And what’s coming up in January? Fratton. And we all remember how our last manager with a Pompey connection faired there. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LGTL

[Midfield_General]

4 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Gary O’ Neil. Good fucking god.

And what’s coming up in January? Fratton. And we all remember how our last manager with a Pompey connection faired there. 

Yeah. Going to Fratton with a weak team and a skate in charge. Surely even SR aren’t dumb enough to put themselves through that

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Midfield_General said:

Yeah. Going to Fratton with a weak team and a skate in charge. Surely even SR aren’t dumb enough to put themselves through that

And Bazunu in goal.

The script is pretty well written at this point I'd suggest, and it's not a nice one.

[EssEffCee]

GON can fuck right off the filthy skate cunt.

Can't believe people would be happy for one of them to manage us in an away derby.

[DellBoys]

He wouldn’t be the first person with links to Pompey to come here.  Some have faired better than others of course! But at this point I’m pleased that a manager with solid premier league experience is even interested in this job. I’d take him if he wants it. It would really piss off Pompey fans and a win there in January with him in charge would be epic banter. 

[goodymatt]

 

[LGTL]

I’d rather Eckert over GON. Both would be fucking abysmal but at least he’s not a skate. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Do you know what - I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to see GON appointed. SR seem to have some kind of agenda to humiliate us in a slow painful demise and this would be the icing on the cake. It’s a massive no from me.

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

 

It would be fucking hilarious if they appointed Eckert now, just for that 

[stfrancisofbenali]

15 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Gary O’ Neil. Good fucking god.

And what’s coming up in January? Fratton. And we all remember how our last manager with a Pompey connection faired there. 

Who do you expect, Zinedine Zidane? Our fanbase seem to have a completely unrealistic view of the position we are in and who we can attract. If O'Neil gets the job, we to need grow up and remember he played for nine clubs in his career and only one of the them was Pompey.

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, pingpong said:

If we are criticising the mnf appearances as our main source of recruitment, where martin and still both sounded good, what do we make of someone who comes across as absolutely shit?

 

 

 

 

He's a Redknapp style manager to me - first and foremost, he doesn't coach/develop players, he's reliant on the quality of players he has given to him. His football/tactics are simple, lacking in any real tactical nous/depth, and he comes across as one of the lads - albeit with the distinction to be the boss and show dissatisfaction. Just like Saggy, he's the sort who sticks players in simple positions, and when it works he'll be happy when his team win or get plaudits for a good performance, but really he's pretty clueless and lacks the ability to adapt or change things when he's being tactically outplayed. He might get this squad out of the champ, but his football is also generally quite dire - or at least it was in the prem.

Very uninspiring. Sigh.

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, DellBoys said:

He wouldn’t be the first person with links to Pompey to come here.  Some have faired better than others of course! But at this point I’m pleased that a manager with solid premier league experience is even interested in this job. I’d take him if he wants it. It would really piss off Pompey fans and a win there in January with him in charge would be epic banter. 

What has Gary O'Neil done to show he would be a good option in this situation? That's before you even mention his extensive history with that lot down the road.

[OldNick]

I glanced past a snippet online saying that Rodgers would be interested, if so that would be immense

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

Who do you expect, Zinedine Zidane? Our fanbase seem to have a completely unrealistic view of the position we are in and who we can attract. If O'Neil gets the job, we to need grow up and remember he played for nine clubs in his career and only one of the them was Pompey.

Ridiculous response. There's at least 6 options on the list I'd prefer to Gary O'Neil. The options aren't Gary O'Neil or Zidane.

[Saint86]

17 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

GON can fuck right off the filthy skate cunt.

Can't believe people would be happy for one of them to manage us in an away derby.

Its academic that he's ex Pompey to me. He just isn't very good.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

And Bazunu in goal.

The script is pretty well written at this point I'd suggest, and it's not a nice one.

Yeah for Downs to score the winner and Baz to save a penalty in front of the Fratton end. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

I glanced past a snippet online saying that Rodgers would be interested, if so that would be immense

LOL, i really cant see that, can you?

[hypochondriac]

100% Gary O'Neil would lose at fratton and you'd have the agent Gary shit all over the Internet. I don't want to be managed by a divisive figure when we badly need some unity.

[EssEffCee]

5 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

Who do you expect, Zinedine Zidane? Our fanbase seem to have a completely unrealistic view of the position we are in and who we can attract. If O'Neil gets the job, we to need grow up and remember he played for nine clubs in his career and only one of the them was Pompey.

Has he also declared himself a fan of those other clubs?

[MindtheGab]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

No, that was @MindtheGab....

 

Whose only comment so far on the next manager has been:

 

My ITK days are numbered, I'm afraid. My source was from Still's camp.

It was nice while it lasted 😅

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

He's a Redknapp style manager to me - first and foremost, he doesn't coach/develop players, he's reliant on the quality of players he has given to him. His football/tactics are simple, lacking in any real tactical nous/depth, and he comes across as one of the lads - albeit with the distinction to be the boss and show dissatisfaction. Just like Saggy, he's the sort who sticks players in simple positions, and when it works he'll be happy when his team win or get plaudits for a good performance, but really he's pretty clueless and lacks the ability to adapt or change things when he's being tactically outplayed. He might get this squad out of the champ, but his football is also generally quite dire - or at least it was in the prem.

Very uninspiring. Sigh.

Weve just had a master tactician whos tactics were lumping it forward to a midget striker, when we're losing throwing on every striker on the bench and when we're winning throwing on every defender so maybe simple is good. Also lets be honest apart from with us, Redknapp was a very successful manager so he must have done something right.

Edited 1 hour ago by Turkish

[stfrancisofbenali]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Ridiculous response. There's at least 6 options on the list I'd prefer to Gary O'Neil. The options aren't Gary O'Neil or Zidane.

Who? I guarantee they will all be a gamble.

I'm not saying O'Neil is The Messiah but neither are any of the names that have been linked because we're not in a position to attract top, experienced managers.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Sounds like GON had put together a decent spreadsheet - that’s Wankerson sold then.

[Hatch]

The fact that GON turned up to the interview wearing a Pompey tracksuit should be a red flag .

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

Who? I guarantee they will all be a gamble.

I'm not saying O'Neil is The Messiah but neither are any of the names that have been linked because we're not in a position to attract top, experienced managers.

Every managerial appointment we could make would be a gamble of some kind clearly. I never claimed anyone we get in would be the messiah but taking issue with someone who doesn't want O'neil by saying "who do you expect Zidane?" is perverse. No one is calling for wholly unrealistic options, they'd just prefer someone else on the realistic list who isn't so divisive. 

[Patrick Bateman]

13 minutes ago, MindtheGab said:

My ITK days are numbered, I'm afraid. My source was from Still's camp.

It was nice while it lasted 😅

Nice that you are Still here, good luck for your future role ...

[hypochondriac]

57 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I absolutely agree but the skatey part is a sticking point for me. Maybe it could be forgiven if he was half decent…. But he is crap. 
 

I would pick Carrick honestly.

I think I'm leaning that way as well. Combination of a decent player so should command respect, has worked with some of our players and knows how to get the best out of them, has history in the league of improving performances for a team near the bottom, good links in the game so may be able to attract some decent talent on loan and seems quite likable compared to some of our managers who are very grating.

[SW11_Saint]

2 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Not true of all fans. There were a lot of people complaining about "crab football", the lack of attacking intent etc etc both in st Mary's and on here even when we were on the famous unbeaten run.

Some people are happy with results, others want entertainment - imagine a world where we get both!

I think we’ve definitely forgotten what that was like… Koeman era probably! 

[Fabrice29]

If it is O’Neill then it’ll be interesting to see if it gets soft leaked to the press today/tonight so the club can gauge a reaction tomorrow at the game or whether they keep a lid on it to get through tomorrow and give the fans a two week run up over the break instead. Couple bits of PR and some support in the press from MLT and co should do the trick until the results kick in.

[stfrancisofbenali]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Every managerial appointment we could make would be a gamble of some kind clearly. I never claimed anyone we get in would be the messiah but taking issue with someone who doesn't want O'neil by saying "who do you expect Zidane?" is perverse. No one is calling for wholly unrealistic options, they'd just prefer someone else on the realistic list who isn't so divisive. 

I note that you're still avoiding naming anyone which rather proves the point that this isn't an exact science and is fraught with indecision because no candidate is perfect at our level.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

I note that you're still avoiding naming anyone which rather proves the point that this isn't an exact science and is fraught with indecision because no candidate is perfect at our level.

I'm not avoiding anything! I didn't consider it relevant to the discussion since I never disputed that a managerial choice would be a gamble. What I said was that the response to someone saying they don't want O'Neil of "who do you expect Zidane?" is ridiculous which it is. You are aware I am sure of a number of realistic managers we have been linked with, many of whom I would rather have here than O'Neil. That does not mean I am asking for someone completely unrealistic. 

If you want to go off on a tangent and debate something I haven't disputed then six managers we could conceivably get that I may not even be a huge fan of but I would prefer to O'Neil: 

Hassenhuntl 

Carrick 

Corberan 

Robins 

Wagner 

Carsley

 

[Bakovnetski]

2 hours ago, sockeye said:

Gary O’Nil

When we fail to have shots on target

I'll take Gary One'Nil when we scrape win after win without needlessly giving the ball away whatever his tactics are.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sockeye said:

I absolutely agree but the skatey part is a sticking point for me. Maybe it could be forgiven if he was half decent…. But he is crap. 
 

I would pick Carrick honestly.

He's probably my choice right now. We need someone who would command respect and he should be able to do that just because of his playing career.  

There really is a lack of decent options isnt there.

[Bakovnetski]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I bet Anskerson's GANTT is pretty epic....

its certainly leading Saints down a critical path

[trousers]

54 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

lacks the ability to adapt or change things when he's being tactically outplayed

I'd always assumed that trait was top of Sport Republic's manager recruitment check-list... ✅

[trousers]

54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

100% Gary O'Neil would lose at fratton and you'd have the agent Gary shit all over the Internet.

It would certainly bolster my long held, and rightly mocked, conspiracy theory that Sport Republic is an undercover infiltration operation by a group of Pompey fans...

[trousers]

1 hour ago, sockeye said:

I would pick Carrick honestly.

 

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He's probably my choice right now.

 

I can see the logic in going for Carrick, not least because he's the manager who Azaz thrived under, and once he starts ticking then other pieces of the jigsaw should start to fall into place.

However, isn't Carrick another 'side-ways, backwards, possession obsessed' type of manager? 

So I guess it's a toss-up between 'dull and safe' versus 'intense and exciting'...

And, on that, to reiterate that Spors categorically stated a mere 6 months ago that he wanted to instill the latter not the former approach at Saints, so would be a massive U-turn if he went for Carrick (or O'Neil for that matter).

Edited 58 minutes ago by trousers

[Matthew Le God]

54 minutes ago, Hatch said:

The fact that GON turned up to the interview wearing a Pompey tracksuit should be a red flag .

Would it be a red flag if he wore a red flag to the interview?

[SW11_Saint]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

 

I can see the logic in going for Carrick, not least because he's the manager who Azaz thrived under, and once he starts ticking then other pieces of the jigsaw should start to fall into place.

However, isn't Carrick another 'side-ways, backwards, possession obsessed' type of manager? 

So I guess it's a toss-up between 'dull and safe' versus 'intense and exciting'...

And, on that, to reiterate that Spors categorically stated a mere 6 months ago that he wanted to instill the latter not the former approach at Saints, so would be a massive U-turn if he went for Carrick (or O'Neil for that matter).

Sent by a mate… made me feel like “I’ve seen this movie before”… 

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

I haven’t watched the above video, but the vibe I’ve always got about Michael Carrick is “dull”, “boring”, “sideways football” etc.

I could be completely wrong but he just strikes me as a safe option without any particular expectation going up or down.

[Saint NL]

In non saints related manager news, maybe Edwards move to Wolves is back on.

[SaintLondon]

1 hour ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

Who do you expect, Zinedine Zidane? Our fanbase seem to have a completely unrealistic view of the position we are in and who we can attract. If O'Neil gets the job, we to need grow up and remember he played for nine clubs in his career and only one of the them was Pompey.

Yeah but Pompey is the only one he came out and spoke of after he retired to say he was now a supporter of.. Also, who is calling for Zidane? We're just saying *not* GON. We know where are in the pecking order and I find it weird that some fans are fine with a Pompey supporting manager in the dugout. 

[Saint86]

42 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not avoiding anything! I didn't consider it relevant to the discussion since I never disputed that a managerial choice would be a gamble. What I said was that the response to someone saying they don't want O'Neil of "who do you expect Zidane?" is ridiculous which it is. You are aware I am sure of a number of realistic managers we have been linked with, many of whom I would rather have here than O'Neil. That does not mean I am asking for someone completely unrealistic. 

If you want to go off on a tangent and debate something I haven't disputed then six managers we could conceivably get that I may not even be a huge fan of but I would prefer to O'Neil: 

Hassenhuntl 

Carrick 

Corberan 

Robins 

Wagner 

Carsley

 

You seem to have left Challinor off this list Hypo 🤪

[coalman]

If we think about what we need from a new manager.

1. Coach some defensive solidity into our current defenders and keeper.
2. Have a functioning midfield.
3. Transition from defence to attack.
4. Preside over a bloated squad which needs to be trimmed.
5. Deal with players who don't have a good work ethic, don't want to be here or generally feel they should be in charge.
6. Provide some stability for players who've had too many managers recently.
7. Stand up to whatever nonsense Rasmus is trying to manage from behind the scenes.

No sane human would take on that job (for point 7 alone). But trying to fix 1-6 with your hands tied? No fucking way. The next manager appointment doesn't matter until we can provide an environment they have even the barest chance of succeeding in. Finding someone that is both talented and blood minded enough to get the job done would be a miracle. You need someone willing to come in and be a complete wanker from day one whilst bringing everyone along for the journey. The only miracles Sport Republic are capable of is spending Dragan's money as wastefully as possible. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

You seem to have left Challinor off this list Hypo 🤪

My mistake! He's the equivalent of appointing Sturrock.