January Transfer Window

[Baird of the land]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Replacement for Armstrong incoming...

 

'all being well', words to fill us with confidence

What about the replacement for Archer/Downs?

[Toadhall Saint]

2 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

For forwards if Arma is a sale we need to buy a replacement of Archer is a loan I’ll happily take a loan in too.

we need 3 forwards though, another taller guy and maybe someone who offers something different. 
 

if we only get one in thst it’s a very dangerous game, Stewart can’t play every game and the youngster yesterday looked a bit lost and not ready for first team

My thoughts exactly 

[Cabrone]

Smart move by Wolves to get a good champ striker before they go down, we should be asking for more than 7M though.

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

'all being well', words to fill us with confidence

What about the replacement for Archer/Downs?

We play a one striker system so don't really need a replacement for 4th choice Downs. Another striker only needed if Archer actually goes, but his move might be contingent on Armstrong staying/leaving.

[Jaime]

44 minutes ago, coalman said:

Or buying Kerry Dixon with your Shearer fee.

And also taking David Speedie instead of a sell-on fee!

[BotleySaint]

10 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

We play a one striker system so don't really need a replacement for 4th choice Downs. Another striker only needed if Archer actually goes, but his move might be contingent on Armstrong staying/leaving.

I agree to a certain extent. But consider Ross Stewart gets injured long term again. We'd have potentially just one of Archer or Armstrong plus the new signing. Another injury and we're down to deploying youth players again.

A lot depends on the quality and fitness of this new signing. Feels like a gamble. I think we need a credible fourth option  and so did the club in the summer.

[Chez]

19 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Replacement for Armstrong incoming...

 

i asked the other day how fans on here would feel if the '£15m' figure banded around turned out to be more like £10m...and now its barely £9m. If he wants out and that's all teams are offering, there is not much the club can do, but it doesn't exactly provide a huge war chest to find a replacement. 

[Baz Fl]

If we end up with Arma gone and keeping Archer while not bringing in a proper #9 then SR are really taking the piss and not even pretending to be serious about our club

[goodymatt]

So we are likely to keep Archer and bring in a replacement for Arma?

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Chez said:

i asked the other day how fans on here would feel if the '£15m' figure banded around turned out to be more like £10m...and now its barely £9m. If he wants out and that's all teams are offering, there is not much the club can do, but it doesn't exactly provide a huge war chest to find a replacement. 

It isn't a disastrous fee for a 28-year-old with only 1 year left on his contract. Especially one who is very good in the Championship but out of his depth in the Premier League.

Plus it isn't the only money they have. They received a lot of cash in the summer some may be ready for this window, plus have sold Edwards, will get a loan fee for Aribo and a fee for Edozie if he goes.

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

So we are likely to keep Archer and bring in a replacement for Arma?

I wouldn't credit Alex Crook for any probability of event likelihoods.

[Chez]

15 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

We play a one striker system so don't really need a replacement for 4th choice Downs. Another striker only needed if Archer actually goes, but his move might be contingent on Armstrong staying/leaving.

agreed. i think some on here expecting us to sign a striker after downs departed were being a little hopeful. If archer departed, the club might think stewart, armstrng and oyekunle would be enough until the summer. if armstrong goes too, then the will sign someone (perhaps on loan), surely?

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

It isn't a disastrous fee for a 28-year-old with only 1 year left on his contract. Especially one who is very good in the Championship but out of his depth in the Premier League.

 

£7m doesn't sound a lot of money in this day and age for what you have said a fair few times 'a proven championship goalscorer', but with his record in the PL, he's in a market with very few buyers - so holding out for £15m or even a bit less is maybe not possible. 

as always, the fee matters little. all that matters is how we spend it.

[goodymatt]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

agreed. i think some on here expecting us to sign a striker after downs departed were being a little hopeful. If archer departed, the club might think stewart, armstrng and oyekunle would be enough until the summer. if armstrong goes too, then the will sign someone (perhaps on loan), surely?

The usual journalists were saying we’d only let Downs go if we had a replacement lined up. Now it needs to be also Arma going and maybe Archer to get one in? This doesn’t feel well planned and we can only hope we get someone in tomorrow that is a pleasant surprise.

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

So we are likely to keep Archer and bring in a replacement for Arma?

can we not let both go and bring someone in suitable to play down the middle on his own?

[goodymatt]

Just now, Chez said:

can we not let both go and bring someone in suitable to play down the middle on his own?

Stewart’s injury record means he cannot be relied upon. So you surely need 2 other options?

[skintsaint]

To be fair to AA, he did scored twice as many goals in the PL last season as Larsen has this season so far 😅

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, Chez said:

£7m doesn't sound a lot of money in this day and age for what you have said a fair few times 'a proven championship goalscorer', but with his record in the PL, he's in a market with very few buyers - so holding out for £15m or even a bit less is maybe not possible. 

as always, the fee matters little. all that matters is how we spend it.

Absolutely, we spent a similar-ish fee on Scienza, so if they pull off a signing like him as a replacement rather than another Damion Downs, we come out of the window stronger.

[Chez]

1 minute ago, goodymatt said:

The usual journalists were saying we’d only let Downs go if we had a replacement lined up. Now it needs to be also Arma going and maybe Archer to get one in? This doesn’t feel well planned and we can only hope we get someone in tomorrow that is a pleasant surprise.

Meh. not sure i have much faith in the usual journalists and having four strikers for one position meant there was little need for a downs replacement (from a bodies in the building point of view).

you might be right about unplanned, but the club is reacting to offers made for its players - they dotn know if they will come in. it sounds like there have been talks/offers a while back for archer/aA, so we will have been working on our own moves the last week or more. I wonder who we will sign...there has to be someone, right?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

£10m would be about right. Fuck the add ons off the deal. 

[Midfield_General]

18 minutes ago, Chez said:

£7m doesn't sound a lot of money in this day and age for what you have said a fair few times 'a proven championship goalscorer', but with his record in the PL, he's in a market with very few buyers - so holding out for £15m or even a bit less is maybe not possible. 

as always, the fee matters little. all that matters is how we spend it.

Tbf they are obviously buying him with next season in mind. There's no way they're staying up, so they're planning for the Championship, and on paper buying Armstrong doesn't look a bad place to start. With Armstrong's championship goalscoring record, £43m burning a hole in their pocket and only one day left for them to do a deal though, I still think £7m + add-ons is light. We should be pulling their pants down a bit more in the way other clubs have with us when we've shown up desperate at the end of January. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Eagle778]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

Meh. not sure i have much faith in the usual journalists and having four strikers for one position meant there was little need for a downs replacement (from a bodies in the building point of view).

you might be right about unplanned, but the club is reacting to offers made for its players - they dotn know if they will come in. it sounds like there have been talks/offers a while back for archer/aA, so we will have been working on our own moves the last week or more. I wonder who we will sign...there has to be someone, right?

Just get someone on loan and replace properly in the summer.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Stewart’s injury record means he cannot be relied upon. So you surely need 2 other options?

I'm fine with one, personally, as we only play one up front. I think Stewart + Oyekunle will be fine as cover for this amazing new number 9 we are going to sign. Yeah, I know.

Archer has done little for us. Its time to loan him out.

[whiteleySaint30]

19 minutes ago, Chez said:

i asked the other day how fans on here would feel if the '£15m' figure banded around turned out to be more like £10m...and now its barely £9m. If he wants out and that's all teams are offering, there is not much the club can do, but it doesn't exactly provide a huge war chest to find a replacement. 

There is much the club can do...... if we don't get the fee we want,  don't sell him. Pretty simple really. 

[SouSaint]

Right so how many career goals is this replacement going to have then?

I'll bet less than 20. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, SouSaint said:

Right so how many career goals is this replacement going to have then?

I'll bet less than 20. 

But, he will YHAGTI

[stfrancisofbenali]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

Meh. not sure i have much faith in the usual journalists and having four strikers for one position meant there was little need for a downs replacement (from a bodies in the building point of view).

you might be right about unplanned, but the club is reacting to offers made for its players - they dotn know if they will come in. it sounds like there have been talks/offers a while back for archer/aA, so we will have been working on our own moves the last week or more. I wonder who we will sign...there has to be someone, right?

You’d certainly hope so. The season would be a write off if we let AA go with just the Loch Ness Anderton and the wayward Archer to rely on. And just when we seem to be building some momentum. 

[Chez]

1 minute ago, Eagle778 said:

Just get someone on loan and replace properly in the summer.

makes sense to me. There seems to be very few options right now. There are so few strikers at the top level in the first place, and getting them to come here in January is hard.

There are only 16 games left. Stewart may get injured again, but I'm hopeful he can get a run of games

[Eagle778]

1 minute ago, stfrancisofbenali said:

You’d certainly hope so. The season would be a write off if we let AA go with just the Loch Ness Anderton and the wayward Archer to rely on. And just when we seem to be building some momentum. 

AA stiffles our foward play as a number 9, we need a big physical striker to hold up the ball and to get at the end of scienza and fellows crosses. 
having a midget AA doesn’t help us with that.

[S-Clarke]

Up to 48m for Larson is just crazy, he really isn't that good. 

But equally getting £35m for Mateta is also crazy. Player valuations at the top level aren't reflectors of ability anymore you'd have to say.

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said:

There is much the club can do...... if we don't get the fee we want,  don't sell him. Pretty simple really. 

fair point, but then you have a player that doesn't want to be here. Do we want that? 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Up to 48m for Larson is just crazy, he really isn't that good. 

But equally getting £35m for Mateta is also crazy. Player valuations at the top level aren't reflectors of ability anymore you'd have to say.

trouble, there is a massive shortage of quality strikers below those who go to the very elite.

Those who would normally be pretty decent are in demand...

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Chez said:

fair point, but then you have a player that doesn't want to be here. Do we want that? 

we want him to be professional, otherwise no one decent will want him.

He has been pretty professional since being at the club, despite the shit that has happened

Edited 7 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[Midfield_General]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Up to 48m for Larson is just crazy, he really isn't that good. 

Oh come on, he's striker with a record of 1 goal in 23 matches, that's worth almost £50m of anyone's money

Modern football is great isn't it

Edited 7 hours ago by Midfield_General

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

fair point, but then you have a player that doesn't want to be here. Do we want that? 

I think that's the driver here to be honest, he's clearly made it obvious that he wants out and we've bent our valuation slightly to accommodate that.

Like you say, we don't want a bad smell hanging around. He hasn't scored in 11 or 12.

But to make this positive we have to sign a proper striker, this is now our opportunity and window to do that. A loan with an option, or even invest straight away in a signing for the future in mind.

Pertez, Leo, Jander were all left field picks and they have been reasonable well received - they need to get the striker one as bang on now. What concerns me is that we have had zero links....nothing.

Edited 7 hours ago by S-Clarke

[coalman]

31 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

So we are likely to keep Archer and bring in a replacement for Arma?

It's been a while since we've been mentioned in the same breath as AC Milan 😉

[Harry_SFC]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think that's the driver here to be honest, he's clearly made it obvious that he wants out and we've bent our valuation slightly to accommodate that.

Like you say, we don't want a bad smell hanging around. He hasn't scored in 11 or 12.

But to make this positive we have to sign a proper striker, this is now our opportunity and window to do that. A loan with an option, or even invest straight away in a signing for the future in mind.

Pertez, Leo, Jander were all left field picks and they have been reasonable well received - they need to get the striker one as bang on now. What concerns me is that we have had zero links....nothing.

The only thing that I'm clinging on to here is that there were no links to Jander before we signed him. 

If we let Archer and AA leave we need to buy a striker and loan another one.  

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

The only thing that I'm clinging on to here is that there were no links to Jander before we signed him. 

If we let Archer and AA leave we need to buy a striker and loan another one.  

Yep that is true about Jander to be fair, that somewhat come out of nowhere on that Fellows/Azaz day.

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

What concerns me is that we have had zero links....nothing.

we've had deadline day deals come out of nowhere in the recent past, so that doesnt worry me too much. Landing someone that is good enough is the concern after Downes. 

[tdmickey3]

22 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Absolutely, we spent a similar-ish fee on Scienza, so if they pull off a signing like him as a replacement rather than another Damion Downs, we come out of the window stronger.

IF

[AlexLaw76]

Hear me out. 

Lets recall the red-hot BBD from his loan

Win/Win

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Hear me out. 

Lets recall the red-hot BBD from his loan

Win/Win

Red hot with just 3 league goals  . By all accounts he's been fairly awful for Derby in the main, I wouldn't want him back. I still have nightmares of him lumbering around trying to be a PL player, we need energy up front.

[Midfield_General]

14 minutes ago, coalman said:

It's been a while since we've been mentioned in the same breath as AC Milan 😉

"Ehhhh, how-a dare you"

[vectraman]

11 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

IF

The biggest little word…🤞

[Midfield_General]

Meanwhile, as Palace prepare to spunk £48m on 1-goal megastar Strand Larsen, Villa pick up Tammy Abraham for less than we paid for Carillo 8 years ago and he scores within 50 minutes on his debut

Edited 6 hours ago by Midfield_General

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Midfield_General said:

Meanwhile, as Palace prepare to spunk £48 on 1-goal megastar Strand Larsen, Villa pick up Tammy Abraham for less than we paid for Carillo 8 years ago and he scores within 50 minutes on his debut

You sure?

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You sure?

Haha - pulled back for an arguable throw-in 20 seconds earlier

Gotta love VAR, it's just great for the beautiful game 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Meanwhile, as Palace prepare to spunk £48m on 1-goal megastar Strand Larsen, Villa pick up Tammy Abraham for less than we paid for Carillo 8 years ago and he scores within 50 minutes on his debut

Palace are overspending a bit but JSL is three years younger, a big, tall lad and scored double figures last year. I think his form this season has been more of an indication of how sh*t Wolves are personally.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Palace are overspending a bit but JSL is three years younger, a big, tall lad and scored double figures last year. I think his form this season has been more of an indication of how sh*t Wolves are personally.

he has the tools. lets hope we can find someone that has them too...plus some confidence perhaps.

[Saint Scott]