The Spygate Saga

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

The timescale thing is a red herring. We knew what we'd done, we knew the rules, we knew the case against us. Our only decision was what to accept, what to fight, and what mitigation to put forward.

We then messed up some more.

Evidence against us included from the kid himself. My understanding is we called him to give evidence. That lad should have been so upset that he couldn't possibly give evidence, not ponied up to point the finger at the club andTonda. 

We then took the whole "it ain't serious, it only warrants a fine" line. 

Pissing off the investigation team, hiring non specialist lawyers, calling the kid to throw us further under the bus, then pissing the panel off some more with an unrealistic stance, then ditching our counsel after the hearing (presumably as she was shit) giving the new bloke 5 minutes to prepare, etc, etc. 

But yeah, let's just focus on some 12 hour point. 

Throw in the CEO or whatever position Parsons is in mouthing off in front of Gibson.

Amateurs.

[egg]

Just now, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Throw in the CEO or whatever position Parsons is in mouthing off in front of Gibson.

Amateurs.

Indeed. 

And doing it to begin with. 

[Bob60]

Last post, it depends if you believe that everyone in the club knew what was going on, I don't think they did. From what I read the did what they could in the very limited timescale. 

A football club is a large business we should have been given enough time to fully investigate what had happened before having to reply. Or mistake was not pushing back on the timescales. 

But different opinions are allowed I believe, this is just my view from conversations I have had.

[egg]

1 minute ago, Bob60 said:

Last post, it depends if you believe that everyone in the club knew what was going on, I don't think they did. From what I read the did what they could in the very limited timescale. 

A football club is a large business we should have been given enough time to fully investigate what had happened before having to reply. Or mistake was not pushing back on the timescales. 

But different opinions are allowed I believe, this is just my view from conversations I have had.

The tribunal hearing was not fixed at 12 hours notice.

The appeal was quick, if that's what you mean. 

In law, urgent appeals, sometimes same day, are common. You shouldn't need time to prepare for them. Appeals are based on the court/tribunal getting it wrong, and the legal team will have known how they say the decision was wrong. 

The difficulty we had is we got it wrong. We acknowledged that by sacking counsel and bringing someone else. He wasn't on the hearing, won't have known every detail, and was playing catch up. 

It was a disaster from the club from the off. That's undeniable. 

[LiberalCommunist]

My elderly, easily confused dad told me the case punishment had dropped yesterday.

 £10m fine and given a suspended ban from registering new players for two transfer windows for breaching rules. 

Suspended six-point deduction.

Thanked for being forthcoming with information regarding the breach.........

It was at this point, half way through an air punch of celebration I realised he'd heard the Chelsea non-punishment.

Fuck my life. 

Edited Saturday at 14:46 by LiberalCommunist

[Saints4Prem]

21 minutes ago, LiberalCommunist said:

My elderly, easily confused dad told me the case punishment had dropped yesterday.

 £10m fine and given a suspended ban from registering new players for two transfer windows for breaching rules. 

Suspended six-point deduction.

Thanked for being forthcoming with information regarding the breech.........

It was at this point, half way through an air punch of celebration I realised he'd heard the Chelsea non-punishment.

Fuck my life. 

Seriously you thought we would get off lightly 😇

[Bob60]

13 hours ago, egg said:

The tribunal hearing was not fixed at 12 hours notice.

The appeal was quick, if that's what you mean. 

In law, urgent appeals, sometimes same day, are common. You shouldn't need time to prepare for them. Appeals are based on the court/tribunal getting it wrong, and the legal team will have known how they say the decision was wrong. 

The difficulty we had is we got it wrong. We acknowledged that by sacking counsel and bringing someone else. He wasn't on the hearing, won't have known every detail, and was playing catch up. 

It was a disaster from the club from the off. That's undeniable. 

I was not talking about the appeal, in his first comments Dragon started that we were told off Boros complaint and given hours to reply just before the first leg, even at the first meeting we admitted what had happened.

[benjii]

It's remarkable that Parsons still has a job, never mind Tonda.

[IFHP]

14 minutes ago, benjii said:

It's remarkable that Parsons still has a job, never mind Tonda.

Have to agree, his handling of this whole thing has been amateurish from the start. 

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

It's remarkable that Parsons still has a job, never mind Tonda.

Yes totally agree, and on top of it he somehow gets an award from the University ffs

[SaintsLoyal]

7 hours ago, benjii said:

It's remarkable that Parsons still has a job, never mind Tonda.

 i think Solak is fed up with the whole process of staff coming and going, but Parsons should resign, hes a dead man walking and must look a right div when the FL have their meetings.  

 

[SouSaint]

7 hours ago, benjii said:

It's remarkable that Parsons still has a job, never mind Tonda.

Hopefully the vacuum salesman gets some grief at the fan forum. 

[Badger]

33 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

 i think Solak is fed up with the whole process of staff coming and going, but Parsons should resign, hes a dead man walking and must look a right div when the FL have their meetings.  

 

Several articles and reports indicate he’s done well on the commercial side of things. That should possibly have remained his remit. But heading up a football club operation is a step beyond that. 

[HarvSFC]

 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

15 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

 

Interestingly he didn't deny that everyone does it...

[Toussaint]

They’ll be spying on league one sides next season, two demoralising batterings from us will destroy their goal difference and their confidence. They shall be destroyed. 

[LiberalCommunist]

I'm going to long remember how the media handled this, as well as the governing bodies. Some of the shit I've listened to from these two faced chancers.

And the deafening silence when its one of their fancy clubs. Yeah, real journalism shining through. 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Interestingly he didn't deny that everyone does it...

That was basically an admission that everyone does it... to be Pompey manager and not put the boot in over that question is actually quite staggering.

[hypochondriac]

56 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

That was basically an admission that everyone does it... to be Pompey manager and not put the boot in over that question is actually quite staggering.

Bit of a missed opportunity. If I were pompey manager -perish the thought- I'd be currying favour and milking it.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Why does anyone care what he thinks?

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Why does anyone care what he thinks?

Not sure anyone does?

[LiberalCommunist]

7 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Why does anyone care what he thinks?

A manager of a rival team, in the same league as us, answering with honesty and integrity rather than just taking a cheap shot like every other observer has done over the last four months. 

I care. In fact I'm holding out for a hero. One day someone is going to break the seal, and confirm how normalised the spying had become before our subsequent persecution. 

I care. 

[M271]

11 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I'm going to long remember how the media handled this, as well as the governing bodies. Some of the shit I've listened to from these two faced chancers.

And the deafening silence when its one of their fancy clubs. Yeah, real journalism shining through. 

It’s still really suspicious, that within hours of Middlesbrough ‘catching’ the spy in the act behind the tree, it was all over the media and they had found evidence and details of instances with Oxford and Ipswich. It’s like they knew in advance that it was going to happen but did nothing to prevent it but were there ready to catch him in the act and had contacted other clubs for evidence.

[Willo of Whiteley]

We all know it was a set up. The fact that that J Taylor (who was let go by Saints) went into hiding screams volumes.

[Fabrice29]

Acting like catching someone for doing something is some big conspiracy 😂

[Graffito]

13 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

 

That’s a yes then. They’re all at it.