Mole Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Speaking for myself i'm getting bored of Southampton Football Club and all the shenanigans. I still care, but not as much as i used to, and all the off the field nonsense has really taken it's toll. Demos and Marches are all well and good, but it's apathy that will put the final nail into the clubs coffin imo. Our declining attendances show that more and more people are reaching the "past caring" breaking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It's caveated though.... I don't care so much now because a pair of right ****s are in charge and hardly any of our players are worth giving a **** about. When they **** off I will care more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It's caveated though.... I don't care so much now because a pair of right ****s are in charge and hardly any of our players are worth giving a **** about. When they **** off I will care more. The trouble is though,not going to matches becomes a routine and habit forming.It could take many years to recover that support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 We're only a couple of days away from a home match and normally I've got our two tickets by now. I know that I'll miss going, but I also feel like you. I can't let my love of Saints get in the way of standing by my principles and I have reached the end of the road, I'm afraid. I'll come back immediately Lowe and the Quisling are gone, regardless of whether we are in a division below at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Speaking for myself i'm getting bored of Southampton Football Club and all the shenanigans. I still care, but not as much as i used to, and all the off the field nonsense has really taken it's toll. Demos and Marches are all well and good, but it's apathy that will put the final nail into the clubs coffin imo. Our declining attendances show that more and more people are reaching the "past caring" breaking point. I really don't give a sh1t anymore, I love SFC but couldn't give a t0ss anymore for SFC PLC, Lowe and Co. is welcome to it! The end of last season i really felt positive, but Lowe comes back. sacks (releases) Pearson and starts his 'Rupert knows better than everyone else' experiment and any hope quickly disappears! Couldn't afford Pearson but can afford Jan, Wotte, Gore, Webber, Hockaday and relegation, will Lowe say he got it wrong, will he fook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I am struggling for enthusiasm for anything that is connected to Southampton Football Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The end of last season i really felt positive I didn't. The elation of beating Sheff united was a tarnished by knowing captain calamity was about to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 I didn't. The elation of beating Sheff united was a tarnished by knowing captain calamity was about to return. As I said, felt positive until Lowe came back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Right now, and given that Lowe will hold onto control until the bitter end, no matter how bitter it is, only three things could unite the fan base. An F.A. Cup, promotion or administration. Administration sure as hell wouldn't be my first choice, but that's how it is. If and when it happens, I think there will be 15,000 or so sticking with the club until better times return. Plus a few of us who, every so often, arrive at Heathrow at 1:00 pm and barrel down the M3 to catch the kick off, a pie and a pint (or four). They're still my team, no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 FWIW, I dont actually believe any of you - the very fact that you post on here with passion and sometimes venom, shows that none of you are apathetic towards our plight, but just like all fans on all sides confused and frustrated that we have no idea how all this will pan out and its difficult or almost impossible to feel anything but worry and concern... the best way to deal with this is to try and and pretend its not that important, that you dont really care, which is the total opposite, of how you really feel.... (thats a compliment by the way - just because I hardly ever agree with any of you, does not mean I cant recognise the passion) The thing that makes fotball suppporting so emotionally important is the way in which the good and bad can be so cruel one minute and so full of hop the next, only for this to be dashed agin in a second... be honset a win on Saturday and how many of you will be thinking its possible to stay up - even if not willing to hope too much or admit it for fear of the next defeat... its the nature of true fans that it seems easier to try and not care, but I bet it still keeps you all awake at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 You're right, FC. Life as a fan is like being a yoyo. But this is one goddam long piece of string. People are still posting, though, aren't they? Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 FWIW, I dont actually believe any of you - the very fact that you post on here with passion and sometimes venom, shows that none of you are apathetic towards our plight, but just like all fans on all sides confused and frustrated that we have no idea how all this will pan out and its difficult or almost impossible to feel anything but worry and concern... the best way to deal with this is to try and and pretend its not that important, that you dont really care, which is the total opposite, of how you really feel.... (thats a compliment by the way - just because I hardly ever agree with any of you, does not mean I cant recognise the passion) The thing that makes fotball suppporting so emotionally important is the way in which the good and bad can be so cruel one minute and so full of hop the next, only for this to be dashed agin in a second... be honset a win on Saturday and how many of you will be thinking its possible to stay up - even if not willing to hope too much or admit it for fear of the next defeat... its the nature of true fans that it seems easier to try and not care, but I bet it still keeps you all awake at times. I don't even want us to stay up/avoid administration if it means another season of Lowe/Wilde at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I don't even want us to stay up/avoid administration if it means another season of Lowe/Wilde at the club. Sorry dont believe you. Because you want them out so bad you are prepared to say this, but I think deep down, what these guys do, stay, go, whatever, cant erode what you feel for the club completely... it just cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sorry dont believe you. Because you want them out so bad you are prepared to say this' date=' but I think deep down, what these guys do, stay, go, whatever, cant erode what you feel for the club completely... it just cant.[/quote'] Frank trust me, that last comment of mine is how i feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Stanley will be one of the 15,000. He's just venting. The ones who won't be in the 15,000 have already gone, haven't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sorry dont believe you. Because you want them out so bad you are prepared to say this' date=' but I think deep down, what these guys do, stay, go, whatever, cant erode what you feel for the club completely... it just cant.[/quote'] Cant you have a bit more respect for what people write ? Just because you cant relate to it, doesnt mean they are lying. Saints fans are utterly exhausted at being piissed about by a pathetic bunch of egotistical twaaats trying to score points off each other, whilst they are still expected to hand over several hundred pounds per season. Most of us feel the club will survive in some form or another after administration, so if there is a chance to rid it of the egotistical twaats once-and-for-all, administration feels like a welcome release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I didn't. The elation of beating Sheff united was a tarnished by knowing captain calamity was about to return. I know what you mean Stanley, but the way i figured it was, the gruesome twosome wouldn't dare change the way the supporters had come together united and cheered the boys to safety, the way Pearson had brought back a little bit of pride in the club,and showed passion, that said he cared as much about the club as me.No one in their right mind would alter that for the start of a new season .....would they? I know i will eventually wake from this horrible nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I also get the feeling that I don't care. But it's not real. I mean, I felt it last season and then on the last day I realised that I DID care but I had been fooled into thinking I didn't! Sadly though, I can't see myself being reminded that I DO care this season. Now and again a moment occurs and makes you realise why you still go to watch the s**t........ It's just that I will probably be waiting longer for one of these moments, the way things are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Cant you have a bit more respect for what people write ? Just because you cant relate to it, doesnt mean they are lying. Saints fans are utterly exhausted at being piissed about by a pathetic bunch of egotistical twaaats trying to score points off each other, whilst they are still expected to hand over several hundred pounds per season. Most of us feel the club will survive in some form or another after administration, so if there is a chance to rid it of the egotistical twaats once-and-for-all, administration feels like a welcome release. Alpine... you have missed the point completely, if you cant see that despite mine and Stanleys and some of the others guys opposing views, verbal spats, jousts and plain arguing, the point I was making WAS ABOUT RESPECT. RESPECT for the passion and the emotional turmoil etc. THey are not displaying apathy, apathy would be suimply not even bothering to comment, because it means nothing. The fact that these guys and even you spend far to much time arguing your corner, and annoying me ;-) deserves respect, but shows you guys aint apathetic, just hurtin' bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I share some of the sentiments expressed on here and it's fair to say fan moral is probably at it's lowest ebb , but I feel numb not apathetic - for it's apathy (not hate) that is the true opposite of love , and we could never hate the our grand old club could we . Remember Southampton Football Club existed long before Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde came along and believe it or not it will still be here long after they've gone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Each home defeat we lose more supporters, the only ones who can bring them back are the manager and players...and LOWE AND WILDE LEAVING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Each home defeat we lose more supporters, the only ones who can bring them back are the manager and players...and LOWE AND WILDE LEAVING Uhm... certainly there are many who will not come back if lOwe and wilde dont go... or so we are led to believe - but I think the first part of you comment is the real truism... if we start winning fans will return...slowly at first. if we start doing well next season the numbers will swell further, If we get promoted we will sell out again - whoever is in the boardroom as the demand is there for top flight football and a fair number of home wins... Sure it might not be some of those staying away right now because of LOwe and Wilde, but it will be others. The appetite for football currently is at an all time low because of several factors 1) lack of wins and a crap team, 2) The politics and 3) the economic climate. If things were dandy on the pitch and we were pushing for promotion, the money was not so tight, the politics ould be relevent to alot fewer fans so as to become irrelevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1576 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 At the Sheffield United game I had the usual range of emotions that you get supporting Saints. I new we had to win that game to avoid relegation and I did my bit in the stand to cheer the team on. All of this though was tinged with numbness as I new that as each minute ticked past I would be closer to the end of my attending matches as come the final whistle we were looking at the return of Lowe. The longer you don't attend the easier it does become not to go, but the day Lowe leaves the club I know I will be back cheering on my team from the stands instead of from wherever I may happen to be on a Saturday now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barfy Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Not being able to get to games, I've felt that my enthusiasm has probably waned somewhat quicker than others. Last season, I had pretty much convinced myself I didn't care about the results... Until the end of the season when I felt I had been catapulted back a decade or so to the nervous excitement of last ditch survival and in a kind of twisted way I enjoyed it. This season has been like watching a train crash in slow motion in that it's difficult to watch and you know that, barring a huge miracle, the outcome is going to be catastrophic. I'll rarely go out of my way now to catch up with latest scores/results, but not because of apathy, but because I don't want to see the inevitably depressing information. The passion is still there, but the realist in me won't allow any optimism to fuel that passion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I didn't. The elation of beating Sheff united was a tarnished by knowing captain calamity was about to return. I think we all had mixed feelings about that one, but it does seem that the "interim Board " had spent a lot of their own fees, had agreed to some terrible financial deals for players (e.g. Euells contract) that RL would never have Ok'd. The sudden revelation about a £6 million overdraft really woke me up and I wondered what on earth the "other " Board had been doing, as they never seemed to have raised any sponsorship money - let alone find a new buyer ! Running a club with shrinking crowds, debts and a large overdraft is a difficult thing for any normal club to handle- even if thay have a good playing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I think we all had mixed feelings about that one, but it does seem that the "interim Board " had spent a lot of their own fees, had agreed to some terrible financial deals for players (e.g. Euells contract) that RL would never have Ok'd. The sudden revelation about a £6 million overdraft really woke me up and I wondered what on earth the "other " Board had been doing, as they never seemed to have raised any sponsorship money - let alone find a new buyer ! Running a club with shrinking crowds, debts and a large overdraft is a difficult thing for any normal club to handle- even if thay have a good playing staff.i agree most of the damages over finances was done last season and it caused the fire sale of players ,reading the report shows terrible mismangement of finances ,i am supprised we were not in admin when the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I think we all had mixed feelings about that one, but it does seem that the "interim Board " had spent a lot of their own fees, had agreed to some terrible financial deals for players (e.g. Euells contract) that RL would never have Ok'd. The sudden revelation about a £6 million overdraft really woke me up and I wondered what on earth the "other " Board had been doing, as they never seemed to have raised any sponsorship money - let alone find a new buyer ! Running a club with shrinking crowds, debts and a large overdraft is a difficult thing for any normal club to handle- even if thay have a good playing staff. ahhhhhh. Pooor Roooopey.... *cue violins* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The only thing I am looking for is the day that Lowe and Wildes names are not associated with this club. Up and till that day I will rely on my memories of when this club was truly Southampton FC, when it was a united and proud club, when on its day it could beat the best, when I could look up at the directors box and respect the people in it. Until then, this club does not deserve our time,money or support. If it means that the only way this will happen is by relegation and admin then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I think the main problem that causes us fans the current negative feelings is that the club just keeps going backwards. Under Pearson last season it looked like we had turned the corner and were starting to go forward again. Unfortunately with Lowe returning and creating turmoil within the club and the fanbase it shows that the club has started to slide backwards again and the speed is increasing towards League 1, administration and an uncertain furture. A very sad state of affairs.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 i agree most of the damages over finances was done last season and it caused the fire sale of players ,reading the report shows terrible mismangement of finances ,i am supprised we were not in admin when the season started. ask the finance director Solent - a certain Mr "Teflon" David Jones who despite being here through all the overspending still has a job and is still buiddies with lowe despite lowes condemnation of the way the finances were managed in his time away work that one out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 ask the finance director Solent - a certain Mr "Teflon" David Jones who despite being here through all the overspending still has a job and is still buiddies with lowe despite lowes condemnation of the way the finances were managed in his time away work that one out! thats is what cannot understand you think jones would have been sacked for allowing the mismangement of finances last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Apathy is why this club will die. Apathy by accepting Lowe's continued leadership down, apathy at not being constructive and getting out there to find a buyer. I wish we had a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillo Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I think the low moral and general apathy in teh fanbase will only truly hit home to Lowe and the board when they see the inevitable decline in season ticket sales for next season whether we somehow manage to stay in the Championship or slip into Div 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I think the low moral and general apathy in teh fanbase will only truly hit home to Lowe and the board when they see the inevitable decline in season ticket sales for next season whether we somehow manage to stay in the Championship or slip into Div 1. You are probably correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 ask the finance director Solent - a certain Mr "Teflon" David Jones who despite being here through all the overspending still has a job and is still buiddies with lowe despite lowes condemnation of the way the finances were managed in his time away work that one out! Simples. Jones did not have the power to veto any decisions that were approved by the board, regardless of how much he may* have disagreed with them. *I'm not saying he did, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 ahhhhhh. Pooor Roooopey.... *cue violins* Rather than give your usual pithy response, why not try to constrcut a counter-argument to David's? What is incorrect in his post and what do you not agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Simples. Jones did not have the power to veto any decisions that were approved by the board, regardless of how much he may* have disagreed with them. *I'm not saying he did, btw. I can't remember the exact wording, but i'm fairly sure that Crouch was quoted as saying on a number of the larger financial decisions (Ewell & Davies (I think)) that Jones voted in favour of them and he voted against the additional spend. That's not trying to paint Crouch as holier than thou, but it does (For my money) leave Dave Jones with some explaining to do. I know these things are never black and white, but as financial controller, David Jones is accountable (To what extent is open for debate) and as a minimum he should explain his actions / strartergy, or even respond to Crouch's claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Come on people this is YOUR club I know we have been through some sh1te but what would we do without the Saints it is time to lose the Apathy stop being keyboard warriors and do something it will be the fans that force change and the fans that save our club. Get behind the protests and get behind the team we have had some really bad times recently but I will not believe the people of Southampton are going to sit on the arse and watch our club being destroyed. UTS Lowe out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Sorry dont believe you. Because you want them out so bad you are prepared to say this' date=' but I think deep down, what these guys do, stay, go, whatever, cant erode what you feel for the club completely... it just cant.[/quote'] It's true. I've met people like him. His hatred of Lowe and Wilde is his passion, not Southampton FC. In reality he'd be devastated if they left because seeing the club fail and being able to blame them is what truly motivates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 i was there shouting at Branfoot and I was there the other week shouting at Lowe, in between we've had some highs and (quite) a few lows - one very Lowe. Still my team ,my infuriating, underperforming, frustrating, costly team I've followed to far out reaches of Europe But I still love 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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