scott_saints Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right?? Are you a miner from 1984? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 i'm assuming that you are being just a little sarky Scott, aren't you....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 (edited) No, he is a fan who like many, want Lowe gone. How can you not understand that viewpoint. cue.......spin........cue....... insult!!!!!!!!!! Edited 5 March, 2009 by Gingeletiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Trouble is Lowe must be got rid of sooner than later, however a few wins soon dilute peoples thoughts and will to protest. It's a strange one as these 3 wins has really lifted the mood amongst us fans but if we keep it up Lowe will stay under the radar and the club will never rise with him at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There should be another march, and there should be as many/if not more people on it. If it does not go ahead then all that happens is any further protests lack any credability, Lowe and Wilde will just be able to laugh them off to the press and say ' they'll forget all about it next week if we win ' The protests have to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 5 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There should be another march, and there should be as many/if not more people on it. If it does not go ahead then all that happens is any further protests lack any credability, Lowe and Wilde will just be able to laugh them off to the press and say ' they'll forget all about it next week if we win ' The protests have to continue. Agreed, but we both know that this wont happen don't we?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Agree with Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 To echo the previous comments and feelings of my previous thread, yes, the protests MUST, absoutlely must continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Agreed, but we both know that this wont happen don't we?! Of course it won't happen. Most people do not give a stuff who is the chairman if the club starts doing better. It is the biggest thankless job going. You become invisible if the team do well and the main figure of hatred if they start playing rubbish. Long may Lowe become invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There are more ways to protest,than just marching, but true Stu, failure to keep the pressure on, gives Lowe the chance to laugh it off as 'lunatic fringe'....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 no point as evening game , wait until QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Agreed, but we both know that this wont happen don't we?! Of course it won't happen. The fickleness of our fans is one of the main reasons I scrapped the walkout. If we had started playing well in the first 5 minutes or even scored, then nobody would leave, which would have an opposite effect ( oh, and I would be a few hundred quid down ) I am going to join the fickle brigade next season, I am not renewing whatever division we are in and will only turn up when we are doing well. Away games are the way forward. Just finally, I still don't believe we will stay up or keep this run going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 no point as evening game ' date=' wait until QPR[/quote'] There is a point, however lot's of people will think there is no point because it is an evening game, therfore there is no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Of course it won't happen. Most people do not give a stuff who is the chairman if the club starts doing better. It is the biggest thankless job going. You become invisible if the team do well and the main figure of hatred if they start playing rubbish. Long may Lowe become invisible. Thats the crux really - so ideally we end up basically not hearing from or even registering the chairman - and MOST fans would as you say not gicve a flying feck who is in the board room with we are doing well, challenging and see progress. A ggood example recently has been how we are told the us playing sheite under JP was all due toLowe picking the team, interference etc, yet with Wotte we hear didly squat on the same point????? GO figure. Lowe is far from the ideal chairman if we were to put the criteria together, but the reality is it makes feck all difference IF we maintain a winning form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There are more ways to protest,than just marching, but true Stu, failure to keep the pressure on, gives Lowe the chance to laugh it off as 'lunatic fringe'....... Which in fairness, given protest numbers at their highest ........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 It seems to me that RL is signalling that his micro-management days are as good as over as Wotte is acting very much in the style of a British manager as opposed to that of a continental first team coach. If so, then further protest is unlikely to achieve anything of substance. So far as I'm concerned Lowe can remain as plc chairman provided he leaves the football side well alone which in any case is Wilde's area of responsibility (allegedly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Thats the crux really - so ideally we end up basically not hearing from or even registering the chairman - and MOST fans would as you say not gicve a flying feck who is in the board room with we are doing well, challenging and see progress. A ggood example recently has been how we are told the us playing sheite under JP was all due toLowe picking the team, interference etc, yet with Wotte we hear didly squat on the same point????? GO figure. Lowe is far from the ideal chairman if we were to put the criteria together, but the reality is it makes feck all difference IF we maintain a winning form. Sorry Frank, both you and your sidekick are wrong. He is not the chairman of the club, many on here forget this, because he acts like he is. Wilde is the Chairman of the club, Lowe is the chairman of the PLC. So if you choose to big him up, then please do so, on the role he is employed as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Sorry Frank, both you and your sidekick are wrong. He is not the chairman of the club, many on here forget this, because he acts like he is. Wilde is the Chairman of the club, Lowe is the chairman of the PLC. So if you choose to big him up, then please do so, on the role he is employed as. Slightly pedantic dont you think - it does not effect the point of the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There is a point, however lot's of people will think there is no point because it is an evening game, therfore there is no point. if you work getting to an evening game for kick off is a feat , let alone half hour or more before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Slightly pedantic dont you think - it does not effect the point of the post. Gingeletiss at 10:22am today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Keep up the protests, you only have to look at what effect it is having on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Slightly pedantic don't you think - it does not effect the point of the post. Again sorry. The protest's are aimed at getting rid of Lowe. The point of this thread, was should the protest's continue. I'm just pointing out, that many confuse the running of the club, with getting rid of Lowe. Now bare with me here.........surely as PLC Chairman, he should not have any say in the running of the club, this has to be the CLUB chairman's job ie Wilde. So by his continued interference, he has jeopardized the whole existence of the club imo, and as such, should be gone. I accept your opinion may differ, but lets not blur the edges of what his job description is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 People trying to save their jobs tut tut ... Are you a miner from 1984? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 No, he is a fan who like many, want Lowe gone. How can you not understand that viewpoint. cue.......spin........cue....... insult!!!!!!!!!! i'm not gonna insult you......:confused: i just read it that he was being sarcastic ... how many times have we heard from the fans......."this is a 'results' game, thats what counts" etc.... the reason a lot (not all) of fans were angry at the board was because we were like a steam train out of control heading towards oblivion, no passion, no experience, no direction.... well , in the last 3/4 games we have shown those attributions, so of course the anger is going to dissapate (sp) somewhat. if Lowe turns out to have made a good decision (at last ) re Wotte, then i'm not gonna be calling for his head, just because i happen to think he's a smug g1t....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I think the main thing is that the pressure needs to be on Lowe and Wilde....or more likely their associates... We are on the cusp of one hell of a run (and credit to Wotte for the motivation and nous) but we need to not lose sight of how we got into this mess. Support the team (as always) 110% - but, the focus should remain - Lowe and Wilde out at the end of the season. DO NOT play into Lowe's PR Team's hands by stopping now - who knows, if we had all kept quiet...would Poortvliet still be here????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I'm not gonna insult you......:confused: i just read it that he was being sarcastic ... how many times have we heard from the fans......."this is a 'results' game, thats what counts" etc.... the reason a lot (not all) of fans were angry at the board was because we were like a steam train out of control heading to-wards oblivion, no passion, no experience, no direction.... well , in the last 3/4 games we have shown those attributions, so of course the anger is going to dissipate (sp) somewhat. if Lowe turns out to have made a good decision (at last ) re Wotte, then i'm not gonna be calling for his head, just because i happen to think he's a smug g1t....... No....I meant NC, your post popped up before mine. You're right, it is a result's driven game, and if we win the next ten matches, many who were protesting, will have forgot why........But I know why I want Lowe gone, time will not diminish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 If there is a protest I hope they drop the anti-Wotte placards this time. They left a bad taste in the mouth before, and made me forgive Wotte's comments about the protesters. I guess there are still people out there who want Wotte out for his association with Lowe no matter whaat he achieves on the pitch, but I hope they have the good sense to concerntrate on what is important - seeing the back of Lowe and supporting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 If there is a protest I hope they drop the anti-Wotte placards this time. They left a bad taste in the mouth before, and made me forgive Wotte's comments about the protesters. I guess there are still people out there who want Wotte out for his association with Lowe no matter whaat he achieves on the pitch, but I hope they have the good sense to concerntrate on what is important - seeing the back of Lowe and supporting the team. Could not agree more... Protest against the board by all means but I would encourage everybody to give 100% support to Wotte and his team at this time. He is after all doing a good job whether you like him or not and right now thats all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There is a point, however lot's of people will think there is no point because it is an evening game, therfore there is no point. Not really, travelling from Weymouth I only just about get to the stadium in time for kick-off. I would happily protest for the QPR game, but will not be able to attend anything that happens at the Derby game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I think the main thing is that the pressure needs to be on Lowe and Wilde....or more likely their associates... We are on the cusp of one hell of a run (and credit to Wotte for the motivation and nous) but we need to not lose sight of how we got into this mess. Support the team (as always) 110% - but, the focus should remain - Lowe and Wilde out at the end of the season. DO NOT play into Lowe's PR Team's hands by stopping now - who knows, if we had all kept quiet...would Poortvliet still be here????? the 64000 dollar question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Of course it won't happen. The fickleness of our fans is one of the main reasons I scrapped the walkout. If we had started playing well in the first 5 minutes or even scored, then nobody would leave, which would have an opposite effect ( oh, and I would be a few hundred quid down ) I am going to join the fickle brigade next season, I am not renewing whatever division we are in and will only turn up when we are doing well. Away games are the way forward. Just finally, I still don't believe we will stay up or keep this run going. It's nothing to do with being fickle, it's just that protests only made sense when it appeared we were dead certs for going down. I still think Lowe's no good for the club but there's no point in upsetting the cart at this moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 At the last home game my 6 yr old started singing 'we want Rupert out', he then turned round to me and asked why everyone else was not singing it this week. I had to explain that most Saints fans only sing this when we loose and forget all about the subject when we are winning. Whilst I do not like singing song this during the 90 minutes of a game it would be great if we could get the whole ground singing this at the final whistle after another Saints win. This club will not be able to flourish whilst Lowe and Wilde are still here with their hands firmly in their pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 What happens if we stay up? Wotte will have done an unbelievable job if we do. We'll be a form team, we'll look like building on it. People didn't want Pearson gone, Wotte will have done far far more. Yet Lowe going means Wotte going. Fairly obvious side effect. So there'd be very mixed reaction to protest wouldn't there. Perhaps the best action is to wait and see if Wotte is backed in the summer. ie. if the squad is kept together and improved. Then we'd have a chance to do far better next season. Lowe should rightly be pushed out if we go down, or if we stay up then Saga/Euell etc are released/sold. But pushing Lowe and Wotte out when we've stayed up and improved the squad would be ridiculous, merely leading to even more changes and no doubt another turbulent year next time. As annoyed as many are with him, and yes, many will continue to put Lowe before saints, if we stay up, it's a very successful season given the cost cutting. Sad but true. Either way, please just save it for the end of the season. I just want us having the best chance of staying up. Then we can all do our best to **** everything up in a new way in the summer. If we starting booing and protesting at the next disappointing result then we probably deserve a league 1 club. There's no reason why Wotte can't be kept on and Lowe booted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 What happens if we stay up? Wotte will have done an unbelievable job if we do. We'll be a form team, we'll look like building on it. People didn't want Pearson gone, Wotte will have done far far more. Yet Lowe going means Wotte going. Why??????? Fairly obvious side effect. So there'd be very mixed reaction to protest wouldn't there. Perhaps the best action is to wait and see if Wotte is backed in the summer. ie. if the squad is kept together and improved. Then we'd have a chance to do far better next season. Lowe should rightly be pushed out if we go down, or if we stay up then Saga/Euell etc are released/sold. But pushing Lowe and Wotte out when we've stayed up and improved the squad would be ridiculous, merely leading to even more changes and no doubt another turbulent year next time. As annoyed as many are with him, and yes, many will continue to put Lowe before saints, if we stay up, it's a very successful season given the cost cutting. Sad but true. Either way, please just save it for the end of the season. I just want us having the best chance of staying up. Then we can all do our best to **** everything up in a new way in the summer. If we starting booing and protesting at the next disappointing result then we probably deserve a league 1 club. Do not confuse wanting rid of the PLC chairman, and keeping the Club Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Again sorry. The protest's are aimed at getting rid of Lowe. Hope not, the point of the protests should be as much if not more about getting rid of Wilde. If this is achieved the other aim will happen as a result. Wilde and Lowe should BOTH be the targets. If it were not for Wilde, Lowe would not be here, and if it were not for Wilde we would also not be in the financial ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 No argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 To echo the previous comments and feelings of my previous thread, yes, the protests MUST, absoutlely must continue. I believe that protests outside the stadium create adrenaline and a sense of purpose in the stadium, which reflects positively on the players. Hasn't done too badly so far since we started protesting. I liked the wreath at Ted Bates statue last week for all to see. Should be repeated imo. (No protests in the stadium during matches though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There's no reason why Wotte can't be kept on and Lowe booted out. I agree - based on recent results. WE complained that Lowe got rid of a successful manager when he took over. If Wotte is successful in keeping is up, he should be backed by us to continue next year imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 There's no reason why Wotte can't be kept on and Lowe booted out. I think Adrian is confusing every other potential CEO and Chairman of the club with the present incumbant... pettiness of replacing a manager just because they didn't appoint them.... Hmmmm who could that type of person be I wonder??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 So after all of that fence sitting, can I ask, will you be protesting at home games for the rest of the season? FWIW - If I was in a position to protest - I would not. As I have stated elsewhere I am pretty fickle, and if the results are coming on the pitch I couldn't give two hoots who is in the boardroom. I think JFP pretty much summed it up in his post. BTW - Did the 'Black Rose' protest take place before the Cardiff game - and was it a success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 What happens if we stay up? Wotte will have done an unbelievable job if we do. We'll be a form team, we'll look like building on it. People didn't want Pearson gone, Wotte will have done far far more. Yet Lowe going means Wotte going. Fairly obvious side effect. So there'd be very mixed reaction to protest wouldn't there. Perhaps the best action is to wait and see if Wotte is backed in the summer. ie. if the squad is kept together and improved. Then we'd have a chance to do far better next season. Lowe should rightly be pushed out if we go down, or if we stay up then Saga/Euell etc are released/sold. But pushing Lowe and Wotte out when we've stayed up and improved the squad would be ridiculous, merely leading to even more changes and no doubt another turbulent year next time. As annoyed as many are with him, and yes, many will continue to put Lowe before saints, if we stay up, it's a very successful season given the cost cutting. Sad but true. Either way, please just save it for the end of the season. I just want us having the best chance of staying up. Then we can all do our best to **** everything up in a new way in the summer. If we starting booing and protesting at the next disappointing result then we probably deserve a league 1 club. Agree with all of that. From what ive seen so far, i think i'd still want him even if we are relegated. The protests can wait and then if needed can be bigger and more powerful at the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Of course it won't happen. Most people do not give a stuff who is the chairman if the club starts doing better. It is the biggest thankless job going. You become invisible if the team do well and the main figure of hatred if they start playing rubbish. Long may Lowe become invisible. And wouldn't it be nice to be "doing well" - lest we all forget, we are still, despite 3 terrific wins, in the relegation places and facing the toughest relegation fight in our history. The work Wotte does in no way impacts the fans feelings about Lowe. It is his flawed 'strategy' that has got us into the godawful mess. Now Wotte has done what most fans have been crying out for (building on what Pearson started last year) - playing a sensible formation, mixing an experience spine with some younger players, and giving the players some belief. Fair play to Wotte (for now) but let's not see this as some sort of boardroom masterplan - Plan A died on it's arse and Lowe/Wilde etc. are accountable for that. Re. Lowe becoming invisible - on that we can agree, preferably permanently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 He's on ignore, so I can't quote him.......but hey Johnnypartfants.......Rupert is not the chairman of our club. This is fact, still, when you move down here, you may get to know these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 He's on ignore, so I can't quote him.......but hey Johnnypartfants.......Rupert is not the chairman of our club. This is fact, still, when you move down here, you may get to know these things. Okay, delete chairman - insert decision maker. It matters not to be honest. If he was nothing at all to do with the decision making then he would not be accountable and you might just pipe down a bit. As you won't then it seems that perhaps, title or no title he is still the man pulling the strings. I do actually already know "these things" including a bitter old man when I find one. Someone feel free to copy and paste this for the overgrown child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Mine and I'm sure everyones absolute priority is that the club stays in this division. I am reluctant to do anything that may destabilize the current situation in any way. I feel that the best ways to protest are by not renewing our season tickets and hold off until our fate is sealed whether that be survival or relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right?? you're forgetting how fickle saints fans are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 What happens if we stay up? Wotte will have done an unbelievable job if we do. We'll be a form team, we'll look like building on it. People didn't want Pearson gone, Wotte will have done far far more. Yet Lowe going means Wotte going. Fairly obvious side effect. So there'd be very mixed reaction to protest wouldn't there. Perhaps the best action is to wait and see if Wotte is backed in the summer. ie. if the squad is kept together and improved. Then we'd have a chance to do far better next season. Lowe should rightly be pushed out if we go down, or if we stay up then Saga/Euell etc are released/sold. But pushing Lowe and Wotte out when we've stayed up and improved the squad would be ridiculous, merely leading to even more changes and no doubt another turbulent year next time. As annoyed as many are with him, and yes, many will continue to put Lowe before saints, if we stay up, it's a very successful season given the cost cutting. Sad but true. Either way, please just save it for the end of the season. I just want us having the best chance of staying up. Then we can all do our best to **** everything up in a new way in the summer. If we starting booing and protesting at the next disappointing result then we probably deserve a league 1 club. Excellent post. If 'fans' start protesting now we will be ridiculed in the media. the manager and players will be wondering wtf do they have to do to silence the critics and more importantly our closest challengers will be rubbing their hands with glee at the unexpected bonus of Saints fans aiming their weapons bizarrely at each others foot. Save it until the end of the season afterall 3 games ago the protesters wanted Wotte Out, so hardly a track record of good judgement. If this is not a wind up can someone please tell me what exactly you are marching for? Lowe out and then your solution is what exactly? No names please unless they have signed up to your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Are you a miner from 1984? I don't like much of what you write on and on and on about 19 Canteen. But that did make me laugh :-) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Okay, delete chairman - insert decision maker. It matters not to be honest. If he was nothing at all to do with the decision making then he would not be accountable and you might just pipe down a bit. As you won't then it seems that perhaps, title or no title he is still the man pulling the strings. I do actually already know "these things" including a bitter old man when I find one. Someone feel free to copy and paste this for the overgrown child. He's on ignore, so I can't quote him.......but hey Johnnypartfants.......Rupert is not the chairman of our club. This is fact, still, when you move down here, you may get to know these things. JFP used chairman as a figure of speech and what has "moving down here" got to do with knowing these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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