ozzmeister Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Now this is something different which hasnt been done before. On the most recent FM it puts the below down as Icons/Legends: Legends - Lauri Mac, Le tiss, Strachan Icons - Keegan, Svensson, ****erill, H Holmes, Flowers, Bridge, D Jones, Shearer, Neime, Pahars, Case, Dodd, Benali, K Moore, M Dennis, M Mills, Rodd Wallace, M Wright, Nicholl, Marsden, Shilton, Lundekvam. Do people agree with this, would you promote some icons, add to them, take someone out altogether. Some of these I dont know. My removal would be D Jones, not quite sure he is an Icon? Also not sure is Strachen is a legend but maybe more of an Icon? (PS Just noticed spelling mistake in title - sorry) Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 (PS Just noticed spelling mistake in title - sorry) Sorted for you. Assuming that D Jones is ex-Manager Jones, then yes, he really isnt an Icon. WGS is a legend for me. I would like tosee Stokes added to the Icon list, purely for that goal, and where the **** is Channon, Osgood etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 A Legend imo is someone who is exceptional, Le Tiss without doubt falls into that category along with Keegan & Shilton Earlier generations should be on the icon list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 A Legend imo is someone who is exceptional, Le Tiss without doubt falls into that category along with Keegan & Shilton Earlier generations should be on the icon list Why? How do you set the criteria and cut off date? Terry Paine not on either list? Nor Big Ron despite the support on here for him? It's OK to say "since the formation of the PL" or "since computer games were invented" but to just have an arbitary ageist cut-off is not PC So to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Why isnt Ted Bates on the Legends list, alongside Lowe? (1 bit of the above is in jest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I think for players to be listed as a legend/icon, they have to be in the database as a coach/scout/manager or POTENTIAL coach/scout/manager. Paine, Bates and Davies are obviously neither, so they are not in the database, so they cannot be listed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Only Le Tissier, Channon, Paine and Bates would qualify as "Sains legends" imo. Too many iconts to mention but Steele, Osgood, Stokes, Davies, Williams, Ball, Keegan, Moran, Armstrong, Shilton, Golac, McMenemy would be among them. Oh, and of course Ali Dia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I never discuss anything when I see the order to discuss in print. Reminds me of school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Only Le Tissier, Channon, Paine and Bates would qualify as "Sains legends" imo. Too many iconts to mention but Steele, Osgood, Stokes, Davies, Williams, Ball, Keegan, Moran, Armstrong, Shilton, Golac, McMenemy would be among them. Oh, and of course Ali Dia! I would add Ron Davies and Bobby Stokes to to the Legends Plus Chivers Huxford Kirby O'Brien McGrath to Icons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I never discuss anything when I see the order to discuss in print. Reminds me of school. Reminds of school? Leads me to believe you had issues with authority back then. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Whats FM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Whats FM? Football Manager at a guess and without my facetious hat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I never discuss anything when I see the order to discuss in print. Reminds me of school. I order you not to add any more posts to this thread. Yours paradoxically, Trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 John Sydenham?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Mcmenemy is a legend in his own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Mcmenemy is a legend in his own mind. IMO You forget something, so I added it for you. As he was, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 what no uli van gobbel...i'm gutted, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Now this is something different which hasnt been done before. On the most recent FM it puts the below down as Icons/Legends: Legends - Laurie Mac, Le tiss, Strachan Icons - Keegan, Svensson, ****erill, H Holmes, Flowers, Bridge, D Jones, Shearer, Neime, Pahars, Case, Dodd, Benali, K Moore, M Dennis, M Mills, Rodd Wallace, M Wright, Nicholl, Marsden, Shilton, Lundekvam. Agree with those I've marked in bold. I'd want Ted Bates in the legends,and for me Alan Ball as well given his contribution as a player,and then briefly manager in keeping us up. Others with an outstanding claim to be "legend" status are Mick Channon,Terry Paine and Ron Davies. Icons : John McGrath,Jimmy Gabriel, Ivan Golac and Brian O'Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I'd imagine Ted Bates and Alan Ball aren't in there because they're dead. I think these lists are used for pre match messages that say something like "Saints Legend Gordon Strachan thinks Saints will struggle when they meet Liverpool next week at St. Marys" for example... it would be a little odd to include dead people in the likes of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Agree with those I've marked in bold. I'd want Ted Bates in the legends,and for me Alan Ball as well given his contribution as a player,and then briefly manager in keeping us up. Others with an outstanding claim to be "legend" status are Mick Channon,Terry Paine and Ron Davies. Icons : John McGrath,Jimmy Gabriel, Ivan Golac and Brian O'Neil. Well if H Holmes was meant to be Nick Holmes then you have to have him. One man club and a great player too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I'd imagine Ted Bates and Alan Ball aren't in there because they're dead. I think these lists are used for pre match messages that say something like "Saints Legend Gordon Strachan thinks Saints will struggle when they meet Liverpool next week at St. Marys" for example... it would be a little odd to include dead people in the likes of that. "Saints ghost (insert name) was hoping for a win next week at Birmingham" does have a nice ring to it and it would be about as believeable as anything else in the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Mcmenemy is a legend in his own mind. This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. Agree.........but I think you have to over 40 to say that. Some of the comments made of him, are a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Lawrie Mac would be my first choice on the legends list, followed by Ted Bates. Not because he has been taking on those at the club who would destroy and take from it, but he was the only manager to win the FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. Abso****inglutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. Agree 100%, LM will always be a legend for what he achieved at this club and the players he attracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. Add me to this list. Some of the stick is way over the top and misplaced IMHO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Agree.........but I think you have to over 40 to say that. Some of the comments made of him, are a disgrace. I'm not sure about the over 40 bit. I'm not and I'd put him in the legends stable alongside Bates, Ron Davies, Channon, Ball and Le Tissier. Of those legends I only saw Channon and Ball play briefly but that was enough, and Le Tiss a lot. I'm willing to take older fans view on board when it comes to the others as their record stands up and anyway, just because I'm not old enough to have been lucky enough to have seen them doesn't mean I can't appreciate their contribution. I hope I'm sensible enough to recognise that football didn't start with the premiership. I mean, Marsden as an icon? Really? Smashing little player and all that but no where near icon status for me. Naturally if he'd lifted the FA Cup then maybe, and that goes for Strachan too, but they didn't. On that basis I really should add Bobby Stokes to the legends so I will. In fact I'd add every single FA Cup winner to that list - they achieved the greatest moment this club has ever seen and though whilst at the time I was playing with Tonka Toys, it doesn't mean I can't appreciate their contribution now that I'm older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I'm not sure about the over 40 bit. I'm not and I'd put him in the legends stable alongside Bates, Ron Davies, Channon, Ball and Le Tissier. Of those legends I only saw Channon and Ball play briefly but that was enough, and Le Tiss a lot. I'm willing to take older fans view on board when it comes to the others as their record stands up and anyway, just because I'm not old enough to have been lucky enough to have seen them doesn't mean I can't appreciate their contribution. I hope I'm sensible enough to recognise that football didn't start with the premiership. I mean, Marsden as an icon? Really? Smashing little player and all that but no where near icon status for me. Naturally if he'd lifted the FA Cup then maybe, and that goes for Strachan too, but they didn't. On that basis I really should add Bobby Stokes to the legends so I will. In fact I'd add every single FA Cup winner to that list - they achieved the greatest moment this club has ever seen and though whilst at the time I was playing with Tonka Toys, it doesn't mean I can't appreciate their contribution now that I'm older. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 March, 2009 Share Posted 6 March, 2009 This trend for slagging LM off is ridiculous. The man took us to runners-up in the First Division and three Wembley appearances as well as attracting players such as KK, Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton and many others that we could only dream of nowadays. Whatever he is now, he will always be a legend for the success he brought this club. ........and don`t forget that we were relegated in his first season and that we won the FA Cup as a Second Division (CCC) side. He built us up to the team that we became in the 80`s from a low base. Nowadays he wouldn`t get the chance to do that. He would have been sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 March, 2009 Share Posted 6 March, 2009 ........and don`t forget that we were relegated in his first season and that we won the FA Cup as a Second Division (CCC) side. He built us up to the team that we became in the 80`s from a low base. Nowadays he wouldn`t get the chance to do that. He would have been sacked. Totally agree I still feel that the only way forward is to develop players like Lawrie did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 March, 2009 Share Posted 6 March, 2009 Lawrie Mac would be my first choice on the legends list, followed by Ted Bates. Not because he has been taking on those at the club who would destroy and take from it, but he was the only manager to win the FA Cup. Sorry Ted Bates before Lawrie whats more he managed the team that stuffed Nottm Forest 5 0 at White Hart Lane where about 40000 of us witnessed a legendary night Ted took us from Third Division to First Division and Europe did not get us relegated and gave Lawrie the platform to build which he did very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 March, 2009 Share Posted 6 March, 2009 (edited) Now this is something different which hasnt been done before. On the most recent FM it puts the below down as Icons/Legends: Legends - Lauri Mac, Le tiss, Strachan Icons - Keegan, Svensson, ****erill, H Holmes, Flowers, Bridge, D Jones, Shearer, Neime, Pahars, Case, Dodd, Benali, K Moore, M Dennis, M Mills, Rodd Wallace, M Wright, Nicholl, Marsden, Shilton, Lundekvam. Do people agree with this, would you promote some icons, add to them, take someone out altogether. Some of these I dont know. My removal would be D Jones, not quite sure he is an Icon? Also not sure is Strachen is a legend but maybe more of an Icon? (PS Just noticed spelling mistake in title - sorry) Discuss. Add to Legends: Paine and Sydenham (for their legendary partnership), Channon, Ball, Ted Bates, Charlie Wayman, Derek Reeves (Because some of the younger generation may have not heard of some of these heroes does not diminish their important place in our rich history) Add to Icons: All the Cup Winning team not already there, CB Fry, Alf Ramsey, Jimmy Melia. Dave Jones did a good job, but his stay was cut short, and he might well have become an icon. Perhaps we need another category for that rarity: the 'Respected' or 'Roll of Honour'. (PS= we had better spell Nieme's name right before it is carved in stone) Edit: Why do we always forget big Ron -surely one of our greatest legends? Edited 6 March, 2009 by eelpie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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