Loans?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Does anyone think Saints will try to get another player(s) in on loan before the end of season? It seems lots of other clubs are getting loan players in. For example Forest have got in McSheffrey who is a decent player IMO to help them out. I know every other club has more money than Saints but my main worry is despite some decent form , a few injuries and we will have to bring in the likes of Smith, Pulis, Wotton, Paterson and Molyneux into the starting line up, who i don't think are good enough to keep us up.

[70's Mike]

Does anyone think Saints will try to get another player(s) in on loan before the end of season? It seems lots of other clubs are getting loan players in. For example Forest have got in McSheffrey who is a decent player IMO to help them out. I know every other club has more money than Saints but my main worry is despite some decent form , a few injuries and we will have to bring in the likes of Smith, Pulis, Wotton, Paterson and Molyneux into the starting line up, who i don't think are good enough to keep us up.

 

 

just summed up my biggest fear re relegation and rest of season :injuries

[Saint Fan CaM]

Just don't think we have any chance whatsoever of bringing in new players, whether or not we need them. Frankly, if Euell and Saga can stay fit, I think we've got enough about the squad to do a job. I actually do not think that the standard of player we could AFFORD would bring anything better to the team. I would say keep the squad tight and hungry - success will breed a spirit of WANTING to play and stay away from injury by playing smarter. Bringing in new players now might endanger the team spirit that seems to be pretty good at the moment TBH.

[eelpie]

Just don't think we have any chance whatsoever of bringing in new players, whether or not we need them. Frankly, if Euell and Saga can stay fit, I think we've got enough about the squad to do a job. I actually do not think that the standard of player we could AFFORD would bring anything better to the team. I would say keep the squad tight and hungry - success will breed a spirit of WANTING to play and stay away from injury by playing smarter. Bringing in new players now might endanger the team spirit that seems to be pretty good at the moment TBH.

 

Agree

[eelpie]

I see Derby have loaned midfielder Eustace from Watford for tomorrow's match.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/derby_county/7932458.stm

 

Any good?

[Chez]

if they're of the same quality of Smith then don't bother.

[saint_ed]

I see Derby have loaned midfielder Eustace from Watford for tomorrow's match.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/derby_county/7932458.stm

 

Any good?

 

Solid yet unspectacular Championship standard central midfielder.

[skintsaint]

Gunter from Spurs would be a good shout.

[Saint Bones]

if they're of the same quality of Smith then don't bother.

 

This always seemed a strange one to me - It soudned like he wass only a reserve player , not even first team.

 

Is he indeed really poor ?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

This always seemed a strange one to me - It soudned like he wass only a reserve player , not even first team.

 

Is he indeed really poor ?

Yes

[um pahars]

This always seemed a strange one to me - It soudned like he wass only a reserve player , not even first team.

 

Is he indeed really poor ?

 

I can only go on what I have seen of him, and sadly he is really poor.

 

Although there are always undiscovered gems out there, or players who have lost their way, I fear Smith is not one of them!!!

 

Being plucked from Millwall reserves is always going to make you rather sceptical, but he has backed that up with some very nothing displays.

 

As for the OP, I think injuries will be critical to (a) whether we survive or not, and (b) whether we should go for any loanees.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Going just on tonight's games it seems our relegation rivals are using the loan and transfer system better than us.

 

Barnsley - Mifsud scored.

Blackpool - Campbell and Blackman both scored.

Norwich - Mooney scored. Shackell in defence with clean sheet.

Watford - Rasiak scored. Cork in winnig midfield.

Nottingham Forest - McSheffrey assist for goal.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

And JP Saiejs did ok for us again.

[BotleySaint]

Rasiak continues to fire Watford to safety.

Ridiculous.

[Under Weststand]

Rasiak continues to fire Watford to safety.

Ridiculous.

Yes talk about self inflicted Injuries doesn't make sense does it.

[Smirking_Saint]

We couldn't afford any decent loan deals, Cork was amazing and i would love him still to be here but it is obvious that we just cannot (or i hope just not bothering) to snap up some decent loan signings that are out there.

 

Both transfer windows for the past two seasons i have been ranting about how 'we should be signing him' etc.

 

Saiejs is a good example of a good 'gamble' but how often deos it happen. I think it sums it up how we have taken on the likes of Smith how out of the transfer/Loan league we really are.

 

In truth though what we have that is now unified seems to be doing very well but i dread to even think about injuries.

 

Yes talk about self inflicted Injuries doesn't make sense does it.

 

I agree this is where our dealings in the loan market have really shot us in the foot, when you are a team like Man Utd it is beneficial as they can assist by scoring against rivals but it's completely different when you are down the bottom, madness. I hope the Rasiak thing deos not haunt us come the end of the season.

[the saint in winchester]

I think we have enough (maybe more than enough) players on our books already.

With Wotte now saying the regulars look and play 'fatigued' he needs to be rotating the squad. There's a 2 week break coming up, but maybe he should play some of these fringe players against QPR. Not all, as we need to keep a backbone of regulars to get results, but as he said Surman, McG et al look tired, then he needs to give them a break and use some of the many fringe players we have.

[Block 5]

Robbie might be able to have a word with Becks.....

 

[Chez]

This always seemed a strange one to me - It soudned like he wass only a reserve player , not even first team.

 

Is he indeed really poor ?

 

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

[Smirking_Saint]

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

Agreed, i feel what little funds we have had to probe the transfer market has been royally squandered on players we don't need, or are just plain crap.

 

Saiejs not included obviously.

 

Unfortunately i feel it is a sign of how financially desperate we are if we are speculating players on the reserves bench of the league below could do a job. :smt017

[N/West Saint]

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

Who does the scouting for players at saints now?

 

Is it really Lowe and if so what experiance has he got, and does he go out and watch games durring the week? lol

[Smirking_Saint]

Hope it's not lowe, hmm delgado anyone ?? lol

[krissyboy31]

Who does the scouting for players at saints now?

 

Is it really Lowe and if so what experiance has he got, and does he go out and watch games durring the week? lol

 

Wilde scouted Jack Boyle. May be next season we'll have a team made up of Channel Island teenagers?

[LaptopSaint]

Just imagine if we'd taken JP Saeijs (or equivalent) at the beginning of the season instead of Robertson, Pekhardt, Smith... apart from one flukey wonder goal what on earth would we have missed? Baffling.

[saintsdan]

Gunter from Spurs would be a good shout.

 

Just gone to Forest!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/7940031.stm

[Smirking_Saint]

Just gone to Forest!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/7940031.stm

 

Figures, now time for me to grumble at the tele again 'we should have signed him'

[krissyboy31]

Just gone to Forest!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/nottm_forest/7940031.stm

 

HCDAJAU on 3rd May

[southamptonfclegend]

HCDAJAU on 3rd May

 

he still could, an own goal

[um pahars]

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

Have to agree Chez.

 

I have no problem accepting that money is tight, but I would then say that if you haven't got much then you should be even more careful how you spend it!!!!

 

There's always a risk when you dabble in the transfer & loan markets (i.e. some come off and some don't), but we have had an extremely poor return this season.

[70's Mike]

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

sums it up for me

what ever others say money was not the issue it was always , even back in 2003, how we spent what we had

[um pahars]

sums it up for me

what ever others say money was not the issue it was always , even back in 2003, how we spent what we had

 

And have to agree with that as well.

 

I was never one for spending money we never had, I was just up for spending it more intelligently.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

Spot on there.

 

Another thing is why can we suddenly afford to play Saga, Skacel and Euell now when we couldn't earlier in the season when lots of points were lost with a side containing 8/9 youngsters?

[70's Mike]

Spot on there.

 

Another thing is why can we suddenly afford to play Saga, Skacel and Euell now when we couldn't earlier in the season when lots of points were lost with a side containing 8/9 youngsters?

 

aparently rupert has worked a financial miracle, thing is few home wins earlier in the season 4 thousand on gate , £100,000 extra banked per home game, 23 home games another £2.3m in bank

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7940578.stm

 

Nothing in the main text or story, as this is about our survival target, but under his picture it says that Wotte is looking to get a loan player before the end of March. Interesting!

[Give it to Ron]

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

Spot on Chez, Gasmi is good on the ball but abysmal off it, cant tackle never chases after it and unless given to feet waste of space. He has a great touch and picks a pass well but never in a million years suited to CCC.

I am getting a "I have seen Pulis play" T-Shirt.....he is very vocal and gets around the pitch well and makes himself available. But do you want someone shouting and encouraging you when they can't do it themselves?

His tackling was miles late, he misdirected half the passes he made and lost the ball loads of times in possesion. Another injury prone waste of resource. A poor mans Wotton who I can see has some good in him.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I am getting a "I have seen Pulis play" T-Shirt.....he is very vocal and gets around the pitch well and makes himself available. But do you want someone shouting and encouraging you when they can't do it themselves?

His tackling was miles late, he misdirected half the passes he made and lost the ball loads of times in possesion. Another injury prone waste of resource.

 

I seem to recall we had another manager's son on the books once who sounded very much like that... believe his name was... Chris McMenemy.

 

Dads in the game try their best not to see the lack of talent in their kids but still try hard to secure them a living from it, and unlike in Mcmenemy's day, now you only need one decent contract to set you up for life.... wish the same was true for the rest of us.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Just an update on how our relegation rivals are using the loan system to try and help them avoid relegation.

 

Norwich - Mooney scores winner for second successive game.

Blackpool - Small scores winner today.

Derby - Bannan scores in defeat.

 

I see Wotte has said he hopes to get a loan player in before the end of March. Wish he'd hurry up and get a striker in please ASAP.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4201817.Wotte_chases_another_loan_player_for_Saints/

 

Any further rumours on who it might be or even what position they play?

[NickG]

Just an update on how our relegation rivals are using the loan system to try and help them avoid relegation.

 

Norwich - Mooney scores winner for second successive game.

Blackpool - Small scores winner today.

Derby - Bannan scores in defeat.

 

I see Wotte has said he hopes to get a loan player in before the end of March. Wish he'd hurry up and get a striker in please ASAP.

 

 

 

Aston Villa are considering requests from Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday to take striker Marlon Harewood on loan. (Daily Mirror)

 

Blackpool are set to sign Burnley midfielder Alan Mahon on loan for the rest of the season. (Daily Mirror)

[saint1977]

bottler, lightweight, not particulary pacey, no end product, casual, out of his depth. He can dribble and he does have half a trick (one decent dribble in one game caught the eye) but IMO he has done next to nothing in all the games he has played.

 

What dissapoints me is that after three absolute shockers he gets a contract till the end of the season. Those three outings were proof IMO that he was not up to it an he should have been cut loose.

 

The fact Lallana and Schneiderlin (bith more suited to a central role) are ahead of him for right midfield shows the folley of that decision. Thomson and McLaggan offer equal levels of youthful niavity to Smith, why not play them instead?

 

The transfer policy at this club over the last 10 months have been attrocious. Only Seijs has looked a good signing. Why we signed Robertson and Pekhard when Patterson was waiting in the wings I will never know. The same applies to Molyneux, Mills looks a better player to me. Why was Forecast brought into the club. We have 4 keepers. With our money problems we should have two with a youngster. If we suffer injuries then we can could have used the emergency loan system. Wotton is ****e and despite what you hear, Lee Holmes is rubbish - slow, lightweight, no engine, crap. I have serious doubts about Pulis but I'll wait to see him before I write him off, and Gasmi, well what can you say. Schneiderlin may prove to be a capable player (he clearly has talent) but a non tackling central midfield player has to be bloody good.

 

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

I agree with everything in this post and the question has to be asked - who has been making these decisions? If it was JP then it merited the sack by itself but I have a feeling the decisions are being made elsewhere. About time the decision-makers were held accountable - all these wasted loans and freebies could have been used on 3 or 4 genuinely decent players for this level even given the bleak finances.

[saint1977]

Just an update on how our relegation rivals are using the loan system to try and help them avoid relegation.

 

Norwich - Mooney scores winner for second successive game.

Blackpool - Small scores winner today.

Derby - Bannan scores in defeat.

 

I see Wotte has said he hopes to get a loan player in before the end of March. Wish he'd hurry up and get a striker in please ASAP.

 

I bet those loans are on less than the dross we've brought in too. Mifsud can't be on that much at Barnsley either, they've got a low wage celing imposed after going into administration a few years back. Personally we need a RB badly and that would free up James to play RM where I think he is our best option at present.

[slickmick]

Personally we need a RB badly and that would free up James to play RM where I think he is our best option at present.

 

That would make a big difference. Teams have sussed that our attack is better down the left.

[Saint Charlie]

Get Holmes to play on the left and put Drew on the right where he has played well before.

[NickG]

Get Holmes to play on the left and put Drew on the right where he has played well before.

 

think Holmes is still couple of weeks from 1st team

[del boy]

Nothing left in the kitty...

 

http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=438173

[Redondo Saint]

still trying to figure why JP bought Pulis.... when another experienced loan player would have made more sense to the rest of the world.

[Saint Mikey]

I know money is tight but could we have spent what we have any worse?

 

To be fair, our success in the transfer market has been abysmal since we went down. Actually, the last season in the Prem wasn't much better either.

 

Whilst in this league we have had a succession of pony and disappointing signings. IMO at least all of these were failures:

 

Hajto

Ostlund

Powell

Brennan

Kosowski (Loan)

Pele

Sarmiento (Loan)

Viafara

Licka

Hammil (Loan)

Pericard (Loan)

 

Plus the ones this season. How can a club sign so many dump players?!

[Redondo Saint]

A tad harsh on Viafara... he was inconsisitant but when he played well he made a difference.

 

Licka had much more potential than the few games he played. I was over for the Bristol City game last season and thought he was outstanding.

[ladysaint]

Now that Bart has gone out on loan does that mean we have money to bring in a loan player.

[Kenilworthy]

IMO at least all of these were failures:

 

Hajto

Ostlund

Powell

Brennan

Kosowski (Loan)

Pele

Sarmiento (Loan)

Viafara

Licka

Hammil (Loan)

Pericard (Loan)

 

Agree on all but Brennan. He did a good solid job in helping to stabilise our defence during the tricky period towards the end of 2005/6 when it looked like we could struggle against relegation.