Verbal Kint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Interesting one for Jan. Do we stick with the same team who did so well at Derby or do we rest them for Saturday and give the likes of Euell and Skacel a run out, if not for fitness then just to put them in the shop window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Well Killer won't play so maybe Cork or Wotton to come in but I think it will be similar to Sat, may as well try to carry the momentum on and will be a tough game! No point using Skacel, Euell IMO. If any changes people like Dyer, Mills etc may get a run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 holmes is a doubt also I think... I reckon we will see about 2-3 changes... I can see wotton and cork deffo playing...with john i reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Cork in for Killer. And put Skacel in place of Holmes. Just to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Come on Corky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Cork in for Killer. And put Skacel in place of Holmes. Just to try. So he can just mope about the pitch not giving a ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66East Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Cork in for Killer. And put Skacel in place of Holmes. Just to try. I think Skacel is still injured after the ressies game. According to the Echo site, James and Holmes are a doubt. I can't see him changing much else. I would think he'll stick with Mcgoldrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Expecting to the team to consist of the following (baring in mind possible injury to Holmes and Svensson being rested): -------------Davis---------- James--Cork--Perry--Surman ----Gillet-----Schniederlin--- ----White--Lallana--Dyer---- ----------McGoldrick-------- Bench: Bart, Mills, Hatch, Wotton, John, BWP, Euell If the games going well (big IF mind) then i would like to see Mills come on at some point and Surman move up to the left wing position as i think he could well there in the absence of Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Dont ever change a winning side (apart from Killer, of course) If a team are doing well and are confident, they can overcome any lingering knackeredness (though at this stage of the season, there shouldnt be any) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 So he can just mope about the pitch not giving a ****? The final nail etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 The good thing about a young team is that they can play two games a week.......injuries permitting of course. So I'd change as little as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 No changes unless unavoidable, that must be Jan's mantra. We know Killer will be rested. Whether Cork will replace him or remain at RB where he finished the Derby gameand bring Wotton in is the only decision Jan should have to make. If Holmes is injured then bring in Dyer (there is no case for Skacel yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Anyone who plays would be cup-tied and their value would be lower. I think that who plays for Brum will have a bigger bearing on the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 No changes unless unavoidable, that must be Jan's mantra. We know Killer will be rested. Whether Cork will replace him or remain at RB where he finished the Derby gameand bring Wotton in is the only decision Jan should have to make. If Holmes is injured then bring in Dyer (there is no case for Skacel yet). Agree with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 wasn't james injured>? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacey Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 My team vs Birmingham ----------------------K.Davis------------------------ J.Cork---------W.Thomas-----C.Perry[c]-----A.Surman ---------------Gillett---------Schniederlin---------------- N.Dyer-----------------A.LLanna-----------L.Homes --------------------S.John------------------ Subs: [GK] B.Bilakowski P.Wotton J.Thompson J.White J.Euell D.McGoldrick B.W-Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 I can't see them putting players in the shop window in a cup tie, as he might put some clubs off buying cup tied players? And 1 game isn't going to make a difference to their attractiveness anyway. I would imagine thought that Thomas will come in for Killer, Cork for James, Dyer for White and BWP for Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Hope he doesnt change too much, can understand Killer not playing and James if still injured but I just want them to continue where they left of on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 Dont ever change a winning side (apart from Killer, of course) If a team are doing well and are confident, they can overcome any lingering knackeredness (though at this stage of the season, there shouldnt be any) Indeed, especially considering the general age of the side. Consistency is key to getting out of this league. I'd go for Thomas or Cork in for Svensson and if James is injured then both. I'd also like to see John, Dyer and Mills get 30 minutes each. If Reading do come in with a last minute bud for Surman it would be nice for Mills to have featured already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 So he can just mope about the pitch not giving a ****? Sorry, what evidence could you possibly be basing that on? Can't remember ever seeing Skacel look like he can't be a*se. Unfit possibly, but not lazy. Or do you just believe everything the OS tells you and believe anyone over the age of 24, who doesn't have ginger hair, is lazy, overpaid and crap and that we're better off without them. The final nail etc.... It's comments like this that show some people just want Skacel to fail so they can have a dig. What would be wrong with giving him the chance to prove himself in the first team, so he can become an asset to the squad this season. Beatting Derby doesn't guarantee safety, there WILL come a time later in the season when we need some experienced players with some ability to help the younger players dig in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 25 August, 2008 Share Posted 25 August, 2008 I`d certainly like to have John involved from the start,just to get him going. we all know what he is capable of,he just needs that little rub off the green to be back to his usual clinical self IMO. also,Dyer and BWP should play some part,as they WILL be needed during the course of the season bearing in mind injuries,dips in form and yellow cards.. besides,especially Dyer has got a great potential if only he gets his head sorted out. the best way for that to happen is by playing games ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 It's comments like this that show some people just want Skacel to fail so they can have a dig. What would be wrong with giving him the chance to prove himself in the first team, so he can become an asset to the squad this season. Beatting Derby doesn't guarantee safety, there WILL come a time later in the season when we need some experienced players with some ability to help the younger players dig in. Want Rudi to fail? Certainly not. However, bitter experience has taught me to expect the worst. Why would I suggest playing Rudi if I wanted him to fail? For pities sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 When possible play the same side but if players are carrying injuries however slight then rest those for tonight ie James, Svensson and Holmes. Cork, Wotton at the back with Dyer on the left. Skacel was injured in the reserve game and if recovered the best he can hope for is sub. I personally would rather see Mills, Holmes and Surman down the left as Skacel will never attain the fitness level required. Not forgetting Thomson, Hatch, James and Cork down the right. Choices eh! Who would be a Manager/Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I'd bring Cork in at right back to give him a full match there. On the evidence of Saturday I think he might be the answer in the position. Rest Killer and give a start to Lancashire. Bart played in the last cup match so I'd stick with that policy. If Holmes is injured I'd move Surman up left flank with Mills behind him (although I'd expect them to spend a good deal of the game on the overlap). Give John a start and another chance to see if he can pick up last season's form. -------------------Bialkowski Cork------Lancashire-----C.Perry[c]-----Mills -------------Gillett---------Schneiderlin -------White-------Lallana-------Surman --------------------S.John Subs: [GK] Forecast Wotton Euell McGoldrick Thomson Dyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Difficult one. On one hand, the lads who are playing well should keep their places to ensure they maintain their momentum, but on the other hand I'm sure we'd all rather they were fresh for the league games which are (in my opinion) far more important. Obviously Svensson will be rested, and I guess it's a straight choice between Wotton, Thomas and Cork to replace him, but I'd probably consider resting any player who's got any sort of knock or slight niggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 (edited) Dont ever change a winning side (apart from Killer, of course) If a team are doing well and are confident, they can overcome any lingering knackeredness (though at this stage of the season, there shouldnt be any) +1. I don't buy into the they need to be rested for league games, we are only 3 league games into the season ffs! If they are already needing a rest then there is a bit of a problem! Edited 26 August, 2008 by saints_is_the_south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Want Rudi to fail? Certainly not. However, bitter experience has taught me to expect the worst. Why would I suggest playing Rudi if I wanted him to fail? For pities sake. The phrase, "final nail etc" suggest to me that you want to prove once and for all that he definitely isn't worth a place in the team. And what bitter experience is this? The last 2 games he has played in midfield, he was by far the best player on the pitch. It's not just me saying that. Against Norwich he won the MOTM poll by something of a landslide, and got a fair number of votes against Bury, despite only being on the pitch for 30 minutes. Before that I think his last game in midfielder was at Molineux in the playoff season, and we all know how crap that was. I just think we can do without trying to rewrite history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Bialkowski Cork Lancashire Perry Surman Schniederlin Gillett Dyer Lallana White McGoldrick Subs: Forecast, Mills, Hatch, Wotton, BWP, Thomson, John Thomas won't play. He didn't play against Exeter so he wasn't cup tied and he won't play tonight. Same applies to Davis - although with his recent performances, we might be a bit more reluctant to sell him. Surman might as well play because he played against Exeter. From what I've seen, JP rates Lancashire so he might play tonight from the start; if not then Wotton probably will. No need to risk Killer, James or Holmes if they have even the slightest knock - give them the night off and get them ready for Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 The phrase, "final nail etc" suggest to me that you want to prove once and for all that he definitely isn't worth a place in the team. And what bitter experience is this? The last 2 games he has played in midfield, he was by far the best player on the pitch. It's not just me saying that. Against Norwich he won the MOTM poll by something of a landslide, and got a fair number of votes against Bury, despite only being on the pitch for 30 minutes. Before that I think his last game in midfielder was at Molineux in the playoff season, and we all know how crap that was. I just think we can do without trying to rewrite history. I was sarcastically playing on the expectations of the other forum members. Do forgive me for being tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 +1. I don't buy into the they need to be rested for league games, we are only 3 league games into the season ffs! If they are already needing a rest then there is a bit of a problem! Plus the international break is just around the corner, so there's two weeks between Blackpool & QPR games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 We need to play our strongest possible team tonight. This team is still in the learning stage, and needs to play together as much as possible. This is an excellent opportunity for us to find out whether we've "learned our lessons" from the first Brum game. A draw tonight would be a good result for us. It'll show that we have indeed learned from the defeat, and will give us another competitive game against "quality" opposition, away at St. Andrews, where valuable points aren't at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I think we should give our youngsters a chance tonight. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 A draw tonight would be a good result for us. Extra time & penalties, isn't it? I know what you mean. A draw after 90 mins would be a confidence boost - for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Extra time & penalties, isn't it? I know what you mean. A draw after 90 mins would be a confidence boost - for all of us. Absolutely. Problem is, we no longer have the element of surprise with Brum. They will try to bully us from the off, and that in itself may work in our favour. I honestly think we'll win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 A draw tonight would be a good result for us. It'll show that we have indeed learned from the defeat, and will give us another competitive game against "quality" opposition, away at St. Andrews, where valuable points aren't at stake. If it's a draw tonight, isn't there extra time and then penalties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 If it's a draw tonight, isn't there extra time and then penalties? Yep, I've just checked the competion rules. All ties up to the semis are settled on the night. Interestingly I see that each side can name up to 7 substitutes. http://www.carlingcup.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Rules/0,,11995,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Sorry, my ignorance. But still a great chance to measure the progress of the side so soon after the defeat. And, especially if it goes into extra time, the chance to mix up the tactics and give 15 or 16 outfield players a run out in a competitive game against tough opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Echo says both Perry and Svensson rested and White on bench but otherwise strong lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Echo says both Perry and Svensson rested and White on bench but otherwise strong lineup. Cork and Thomas in CD then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I'd go for Forecast James Cork Thomas Surman Schneiderlin Gillet Dyer Lallana Holmes McGoldrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 According to the OS if its a draw after 90mins its straight to penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 According to the OS if its a draw after 90mins its straight to penalties. Is that right? There was extra time in the 1st round. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I think Wotton could slot in alongside Cork at CB. Thomas is well out of favour, can't see him playing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 I'm looking forward to it. It will be interesting to see which side has learnt more from the previous meeting and whether their style of play will be changed to suit. Whatever the outcome I'm sure that we can learn something from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 Is that right? There was extra time in the 1st round. :confused: Perhaps the OS has got wrong because the rules seem quite clear re extra time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 (edited) According to the OS if its a draw after 90mins its straight to penalties. The competition rules state otherwise. I'm sure that there will be extra time, if necessary! Edited 26 August, 2008 by Whitey Grandad spelling - oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10495 Thomas not in squad, nor KD or Rudi. No surprises there then. BWP in the squad but shouldn't think he will be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 OS now states their will be extra time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 (edited) http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10495 Thomas not in squad, nor KD or Rudi. No surprises there then. BWP in the squad but shouldn't think he will be used. Thomas is listed there, but no Jason Euell or (surprisingly) Jake Thomson. Possibly carrying a knock? Saints squad - (From) Bialkowski, Forecast, James, Thomas, Cork, Surman, Wotton, Gillett, Dyer, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Holmes, McGoldrick, John, Lancashire, White, Mills, Wright-Phillips. Edited 26 August, 2008 by LeBenali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 26 August, 2008 Share Posted 26 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=10495 Thomas not in squad, nor KD or Rudi. No surprises there then. BWP in the squad but shouldn't think he will be used. I can't see the squad list on the page linked above! Where is it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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