SaintRobbie Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Does anyone know whether the Confidentiality Clauses signed by the plethora of managers and players Lowe employed over the years are still valid now that SLH plc is dead and Lowe has been removed? Might we hear some interesting stories now about the Low[e] Years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The Echo today says they will be revealing some "previously untold stories" over the next few days. Probably copied and pasted from here then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Its all coming out in the echo this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Its all coming out in the echo this week The Forecast signing is a good story but not mine to tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Its all coming out in the echo this week That's only in a bid to sell more copies! If Rupert is as astute as he would have us believe then these agreements will be watertight and involve SLH, SFC and the individual parties so that, under threat of a legal challenge, nothing of note shall be revealed. Although that will not stop the conjecture on here I would imagine. If something revealed happens to be true I wonder what he'll do then though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 It depends what the parties to the contracts were and what survives the administration process. If the entity that has the right to enforce the contract ceases to exist then the obligations on the other party will fall away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 A barrister who once represented me said that any good barrister could drive a coach and horses through most confidentiality clauses if necessary, but that there were often good reasons on both sides for confidentiality not to be broken. Still, could be interesting to hear a different side to many a story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The Forecast signing is a good story but not mine to tell! Go-on, tell it. I had not heard anything about Forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I would be very interested to hear why Malcolm Webster and Dave Hockaday were put on gardening leave and never spoke of and seen since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 If Rupert is as astute as he would have us believe then these agreements will be watertight and involve SLH, SFC and the individual parties so that, under threat of a legal challenge, nothing of note shall be revealed. If Rupert was astute, we would not have a 10 point penalty next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 go tell on the mountain over the hills and everywhere go tell on the mountain that Rupert Lowe's a prat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The Forecast signing is a good story but not mine to tell! Even a hint would be nice now you're left us dangling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 That's only in a bid to sell more copies! If Rupert is as astute as he would have us believe then these agreements will be watertight and involve SLH, SFC and the individual parties so that, under threat of a legal challenge, nothing of note shall be revealed. Although that will not stop the conjecture on here I would imagine. If something revealed happens to be true I wonder what he'll do then though? If Rupert was astute, we would not have a 10 point penalty next season. Precisely why I used IF to start my comment! He's probably more likely to protect himself and his (in)actions more carefully than the business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Even a hint would be nice now you're left us dangling! Well it ended up with Webster on gardening leave - so you can probably work it out yourself now but I wonder how long a contract Forecast got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 go tell on the mountain over the hills and everywhere go tell on the mountain that Rupert Lowe's a prat And when the luvvies heard it, They all bowed down to cry, Sundance has left the building, And didn't even say bye bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Well it ended up with Webster on gardening leave - so you can probably work it out yourself now but I wonder how long a contract Forecast got? 5 years would be my guess, based on the press release: The 21-year-old has signed a five-year contract at St Mary's, and will provide competition for current shot stoppers Kelvin Davis and Bartosz Bialkowski. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7493237.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Well it ended up with Webster on gardening leave - so you can probably work it out yourself now but I wonder how long a contract Forecast got? 5 years would be my guess, based on the press release: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7493237.stm Ummmm my thoughts exactly, and so I'm still none the wiser - would anybody like to explain, I appear to be missing something. Either that or living up to my avatar...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 aprt from anything else, the Forecast signing was bizarre in that most skint CCC clubs would get in a season loan, or cheap out of contract player to be 3rd choice. We gave a far from proven PL 3rd/4th (?) choice a 5 year deal. Not unlike the Spiderman signing, these really shouldn't have been the actions of a club unlikely to be able to hold onto ANY of their senior strikers on financial grounds. VERY odd, and plenty said so at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 aprt from anything else, the Forecast signing was bizarre in that most skint CCC clubs would get in a season loan, or cheap out of contract player to be 3rd choice. We gave a far from proven PL 3rd/4th (?) choice a 5 year deal. Not unlike the Spiderman signing, these really shouldn't have been the actions of a club unlikely to be able to hold onto ANY of their senior strikers on financial grounds. VERY odd, and plenty said so at the time. And plenty or Ruperts little helpers hailed the signing as a sign that rupert had got to grips with the finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Its all coming out in the echo this week Will Kim van der Waals get a mention in the dispatches....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Will Kim van der Waals get a mention in the dispatches....?Don't expect any revelations in the Echo that is not already common knowledge. They will likely just report the history. I am told Kim van der Waals was responsible for recommending many of this seasons failures. What suprised me is that he has no real football experience but was able to bypass the Management and convince Lowe that the signings would be good. Draw your own conclusions why Webster wanted out and how he achieved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I am told Kim van der Waals was responsible for recommending many of this seasons failures. What suprised me is that he has no real football experience but was able to bypass the Management and convince Lowe that the signings would be good. Throw in a manager whose experience was primarily in the Dutch Lower Leagues and is it any wonder that this season ended in such a sht storm. Kim van der Waals LMFAO, will we ever know the true horrors of this season????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I think we all noticed that it was obvious RL hadn't signed any confidentiality clause when he was turfed out. What's good for the goose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Don't expect any revelations in the Echo that is not already common knowledge. They will likely just report the history. I am told Kim van der Waals was responsible for recommending many of this seasons failures. What suprised me is that he has no real football experience but was able to bypass the Management and convince Lowe that the signings would be good. Draw your own conclusions why Webster wanted out and how he achieved it! Had a crap keeper (Forecast) brought in despite him not rating him, wanted to leave so spoke to Ipswich which ****ed off Lowe who sacked him (with nice payoff) Close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Had a crap keeper (Forecast) brought in despite him not rating him, wanted to leave so spoke to Ipswich which ****ed off Lowe who sacked him (with nice payoff) Close? Well the first bit might be, but the second bit isn't because he's still on gardening leave. I've not seen Forecast - is he crap? (I'm sure that some of those who gave such a valid initial assessment of Kelvin will be glad to give their views....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 The Forecast signing is a good story but not mine to tell! I am looking forward to the Pulis signing story too to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 aprt from anything else, the Forecast signing was bizarre in that most skint CCC clubs would get in a season loan, or cheap out of contract player to be 3rd choice. We gave a far from proven PL 3rd/4th (?) choice a 5 year deal. Not unlike the Spiderman signing, these really shouldn't have been the actions of a club unlikely to be able to hold onto ANY of their senior strikers on financial grounds. VERY odd, and plenty said so at the time. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I would be very interested to hear why Malcolm Webster and Dave Hockaday were put on gardening leave and never spoke of and seen since. Disappeared completely without trace? Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Don't expect any revelations in the Echo that is not already common knowledge. They will likely just report the history. I am told Kim van der Waals was responsible for recommending many of this seasons failures. What suprised me is that he has no real football experience but was able to bypass the Management and convince Lowe that the signings would be good. Draw your own conclusions why Webster wanted out and how he achieved it! Shouldnt really be surprised on that. Surely the SCW debacle and Simon Clifford's appointment by Lowe should be all the evidence you need to know that Lowe was likely to do this. Looking forward to reading about this one in The Echo. SCW, Kim van der Waals and Simon Clifford. Lowe was a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I think we all noticed that it was obvious RL hadn't signed any confidentiality clause when he was turfed out. What's good for the goose... I'm just wondering if Lowe has been paid severance? And pension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I'm just wondering if Lowe has been paid severance? And pension? He was paid severence the last time he was sacked. Details are here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/4350803.Supremos_poles_apart_financially/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 He was paid severence the last time he was sacked. Details are here: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/4350803.Supremos_poles_apart_financially/ Did he not resign this time though? Hopefully we'll get to pay him the square root of eff all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Its all coming out in the echo this week Here is the link http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/ Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Here is the link http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/untoldstories/ Regards Morph We know about most of these but it is still nice to have the stories 'confirmed'. What I am looking forward to hearing are the stories about Lowe from the plethora of managers and players we have seen through here... hence the Confidentiality Clause question. MLT has started to give out the odd snippett, I wonder how long before we have some more stories about the mismanagement of the club from those really in the know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 We know about most of these but it is still nice to have the stories 'confirmed'. What I am looking forward to hearing are the stories about Lowe from the plethora of managers and players we have seen through here... hence the Confidentiality Clause question. MLT has started to give out the odd snippett, I wonder how long before we have some more stories about the mismanagement of the club from those really in the know. I have yet to see any startling stories in the bits on the Echo site. Richard Fry suddenly decided to pull the plug on the team he supported knowing it was going to cost us 10 points!!! and perhaps a spiral into obscurity. Does that not make you wonder about real conspiracy theories????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 I have yet to see any startling stories in the bits on the Echo site. Richard Fry suddenly decided to pull the plug on the team he supported knowing it was going to cost us 10 points!!! and perhaps a spiral into obscurity. Does that not make you wonder about real conspiracy theories????? Havent got a clue what you're on about Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 FF. Duncan - you may know the answer to the question as I assume you have had to research through confidentiality clauses in an attempt to put the odd historical account together. Anticipating a few juicey stories for a forthcoming book by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 (edited) Ummmm my thoughts exactly, and so I'm still none the wiser - would anybody like to explain, I appear to be missing something. Either that or living up to my avatar...!!! Perhaps he's on very little money and there are get out clauses liberally scattered around.Perhaps Bart is on quite a lot of money so it was thought that if we loaned him out and replaced him with someone on half of his pay we'd make a real killing.Greed and profit were seemingly often behind some of the strange looking deals at SMS. Now I read the other day that Assou-Ekotto who's been doing OK at Spurs of late (although not today as Bale is playing) has a clause in his contract whereby he can leave for less than a million £. This is called a "stability clause" and is fixed at the time of signing.A player aged less than 28 having done 3 years in the same club or 2 years if older can just unilaterally break his contract with no compensation to be paid.I think it's been FIFA rules since 2005/6 so the first wave will be seen soon.All that has to happen is the last xx years of his contract are paid up by the new club or the player himself but no plus value transfer fee is payable. Edited 9 May, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadian Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Had a crap keeper (Forecast) brought in despite him not rating him, wanted to leave so spoke to Ipswich which ****ed off Lowe who sacked him (with nice payoff) Close? More like Bart allowed to leave and Forecast brought in all on Lowe's say so and no discussions with management. Goalkeeping coach goes spare and tells Rupert in no uncertain terms what he thinks about him. That's my guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadian Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Seem to remember when Anders Svensson left that he said something along the lines of he would be able to write a book about all the weird goings on behind the scenes at SMS but that he would wait until he retired from playing first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Havent got a clue what you're on about Nick. Well read the Echo site about all the stories coming out.I think its in the one about Barclays and their profit.Fry (not the adminoistator who was a saints fan)pulled the plug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Well read the Echo site about all the stories coming out.I think its in the one about Barclays and their profit.Fry (not the adminoistator who was a saints fan)pulled the plug OK - so Fry ousted Lowe before Lowe could do any more damage ?- good on Fry if true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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