OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 if he is replaced at Cardiff how do people view him again as manager. as far as Im aware he holds no grudges to our fans, as I beleive we werre supportive.He is good at finding some good british talent and has done ok wherever he has been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Yep. Would be welcome as far as I'm concerned. That might be aiming a little high though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He won't be replaced at Cardiff. Ridsdale has already come out today saying that Jones will be staying, and how this is Cardiff's best placing for nearly 40 years. And if he was to leave Cardiff, I don't think he'd need to drop down to league 1 to find employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He won't be replaced at Cardiff. Ridsdale has already come out today saying that Jones will be staying, and how this is Cardiff's best placing for nearly 40 years. And if he was to leave Cardiff, I don't think he'd need to drop down to league 1 to find employment.It wasnt the chairmans dreaded vote of confidence then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He is too good to be sacked, and even so would be in demand by a CCC club at least. I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Someone told me the other week that his daughter still lives in Southampton Is this true anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably (in hindsight) Lowe's first major error as MD at SLH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably Lowe's first major error. Don't think he wanted to return anyway He felt bitterly 'let down' by Rupert's decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Not giving Dave Jones the opportunity to reclaim his job here, after his unjust court case, was probably (in hindsight) Lowe's first major error as MD at SLH. Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three. I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here.To a degree you are right. he is good at assembling a useful team he needs somebody who is better at organising that squad than him.GH profited form his squads and he did improve their organisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Dave Jones I think is the first manager I remember as a Saints fan (I was 5-6 when he got the job) and I do remember feeling sorry for him when he left, after my dad explained Rupert Lowe had not treated him very well - He felt bitterly 'let down' by Rupert's decision - I quite liked him at the time I seem to remember, I'd definitely have him back as manager!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Could be a decent shout at our level, but like others I think that if he left Cardiff there would be other, more attractive, propositions available to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Would take him like a shot! Here's hoping...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 To a degree you are right. he is good at assembling a useful team he needs somebody who is better at organising that squad than him.GH profited form his squads and he did improve their organisation Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'd agree with that. If anything, the uncertainty with his pending court case probably prolonged his spell here. I think there was always a suspicion that the court case gave a convenient way of getting rid of him. And we improved no end once he'd gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Before yet another crucify Lowe thread starts can we remind people that it was the banks (on who we were dependent for financing on the new stadium) that forced the boards hand on the gardening leave. Dave Jones bears no grudge with Lowe for that and felt more aggrieved that society should conspire to effectively punish a man when the case was not even proven. I think he may have had a grudge about Hoddle though. And Mrs Jones could certainly could pack a punch according to Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle.I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Hoddle was a far better coach than Dave Jones but he was very lucky to have Dave Jones's signings. No manager had such a consistently bad transfer record as Hoddle. Or as good a transfer record at Jones. Beattie, Richards, Pahars, Tessem, R. Johnson, McCormack etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three. were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game? Whether he would have been sacked if he had not been put on leave will never be known. I'd love dave jones back , won't happen though even if cardiff do ( stupidly) sack him.He will be snapped up by a championship club or maybe even a lower half premiership club. He's a good manager . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game? Nah, that was in September of that season. We'd just beaton Everton 2-0 at home, though I vaguely remember it being an awful match. http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/footydb/loadtmrs.asp?ssnno=129&teamno=479 And we'd been thrashed 5-0 at Newcastle the week before. I certainly remember feeling at the time that it was only a matter of time before he got sacked, and then the court case reared it's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I did suggest Dave Jones on another thread yesterday - although it's massively unlikely that Cardiff will let him go after Ridsdales comments. I did check the Cardiff 606 messageboard & every single Cardiff fan to have commented (up to that point) was behind him & said he had to stay. Still would be a tremendous opportunity if he became available as he has a proven track record at L1 level when he was at Stockport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuengirola Saint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus I agree, i hate Lowe and hope he dies but If he hadn't put Dave Jones on "gardening leave" we would have gone down that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 On the whole a reasonable manager. Some good signings. Was not as good as Hoddle or WGS but streets ahead of all the rest of the Lowe appointments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three. Agree.If anything though I think he would have been sacked sooner,but for the pending court case which left the club in an 'awkward' position on how to treat him at the time. RL was right to move Jones out,but I still think he did it in a clumsy and embarrassing way with all this 'compassionate leave' crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 We're really clutching at straws. Dave Jones isnt coming back here any time soon, why the hell would he want to take a backward step into league one? With no money and a ten-point deficit to overturn? He was doing well enough at Stockport, if he'd wanted league one action hed have stayed there instead of jumping ship for prem league at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 a lot of rose coloured specs showing, i remember Jones being heavily crticised for showing no passion on the touch line etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 a lot of rose coloured specs showing' date=' i remember Jones being heavily crticised for showing no passion on the touch line etc[/quote'] No passion? Thats not what the prosecution claimed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 were we gash ?? you sure? didn't we draw 3-3 at old trafford in his last game? Whether he would have been sacked if he had not been put on leave will never be known. I'd love dave jones back , won't happen though even if cardiff do ( stupidly) sack him.He will be snapped up by a championship club or maybe even a lower half premiership club. He's a good manager . Yes we were absolute gash (great word by the way). In my mind he would have been sacked sooner had it not been for his court case and I believe we would have gone down if we had kept him all season. And for all of his good signings there were plenty of duff ones, I give you Lee Todd, Stig Johansen, Stuart Ripley, David Howells, Scott Marshall, Mark Hughes and I am sure there were others I can't think of off the top of my head. I accept I'm probably in the minority but I thought he was a poor manager for us (although I accept in hindsight he was better than a lot of the jokers we've had since!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He was crap IMO,the kiddy fiddling thing done lowe a favour as it gave him an excuse to fire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Someone told me the other week that his daughter still lives in Southampton Is this true anyone? yes and supports us so I understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 He was crap IMO,the kiddy fiddling thing done lowe a favour as it gave him an excuse to fire him. I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Before yet another crucify Lowe thread starts can we remind people that it was the banks (on who we were dependent for financing on the new stadium) that forced the boards hand on the gardening leave. Dave Jones bears no grudge with Lowe for that and felt more aggrieved that society should conspire to effectively punish a man when the case was not even proven. I think he may have had a grudge about Hoddle though. And Mrs Jones could certainly could pack a punch according to Lowe. I remember being at a London Saints meeting with Rupert Lowe at the time, and Lowe hinting that the club were being put under pressure by the FA to act, as the allegations were of so serious a nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray. I agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray. It is true he kept us up on a shoestring but the final year of his tenure was awful but my main gripe was his poker face,there was no showing of passion even when we scored and that unsettled me.I like to see a manager letting off a bit of steam on the touchline and celebrating a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 (edited) Have heard from a member of his immediate family that he would love to come back here and would jump at the chance to manage here. Some of his family still live here, I was ****ed during the conversation but I am sure I was told he applied for the job when burley left. Edited 5 May, 2009 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I'm sure he won manager of the season or young manager the first season he was with us, kept us up and relatively safe when we'd always struggled before and had a decent transfer record. Hardly crap. I would however agree towards the end we were on a bad downturn in form, who's to say he wouldnt have turned it around? Impossible to say but at the end of the day we ended up with a decent manager in Hoddle followed by several really "crap" managers in Wigley and Gray. He won the LMA league manager of the year award. He was a fine manager for us, and has proved to be excellent at the other clubs he has served - very well thought of at Wolves, and it is only a few Cardiff dinlows with their expectations raised (by Jones) that are slating him now. He was struggling when he left us though, and I don't think you can slate Lowe for what he did at the time - its difficult to see what else he could have done. But in response to the original poster, if Cardiff are dumb enough to get rid, he wouldn't be short of job offers and we couldn't afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Great 2nd season if i remember right & a few good signings. However we were going down the season he left, he was in denial about the team performances & personally was about as inspiring as ian branfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I have never forgiven him for selling Maik Taylor for £500k and buying Paul Jones for £1m. We could do with that money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Dave Jones departure was Lowe trying to be diplomatic ( but yet still being in the wrong ) in saying that it was gardening leave when he had every right to sack DJ over results & performances not Lowes worst ever decision the fact that Hoddle was unemployed was the bonus Agree with this. Jones was excellent in buying players but defensively we were poor apart from his first season. Hoddle got the players fitter and better organised but Hoddle's record in the transfer market is poor. If you had Hoddle as Head Coach and Jones as DOF, Lowe's dream continental system might actually have worked! In reality, the two men would hate this, particularly with Hoddle's ego. I don't think the continental system works in England really, the politics get in the way. I can't think of a club where it has really worked but plenty where it hasn't - us, Spurs, Chelsea, even the Skates when Rix was manager with Harry as DOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I have never forgiven him for selling Maik Taylor for £500k and buying Paul Jones for £1m. We could do with that money now. Paul Jones was a decent keeper, some high-profile blunders when he didnt command his area but some great saves - OT - as well. Took our second best ever keeper (behind Shilts) in Antti to dislodge him and can anyone remember Finland V Wales just after Antti signed? Strings of great saves at either end all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 A cold fish......no passion........no thanks. He hasn't excactly set the world alight with his managerial skills. There are better options IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 A cold fish......no passion........no thanks. He hasn't excactly set the world alight with his managerial skills. There are better options IMHO. Like who? what better manager than dave jones will come to us? we are league 1 now remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolo Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Nah, we were absolute gash at that time, and I've always maintained that he would have been sacked before too long if he hadn't been put on leave. Though no doubt he'd be able to do a decent job in divisions two and three. +1 I totally agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 28 June, 2009 Share Posted 28 June, 2009 Dave Jones tells the story of his sacking: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6597000.ece Sorry to bump this thread but not allowed to start a new one on Jones, probs 'cos I haven't paid the cash! It's an interesting read tho...imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 he is signing his book in Borders in town somewhen soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Jones will take over at WBA ....he has already refused to rule that out. He has taken Cardiff as far as he can plus they have the dreaded new stadium syndrome next season ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Yes please! But he could get a better job unfortunately........ :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Dave Jones was a thoroughly decent guy in my view and would always be welcome back as manager under a new regime.......he always got a good reception at SMS and I think many fans like me are slightly embarrassed about the circumstances of his departure, though at the time it was a tough decision for anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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