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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    As millions of people voted for Trump, so we have lots people here who are stupid enough to vote for Johnson. Never under estimate the lack of moral backbone from people of that persuasion. Lying, ineptitude, incompetence all count for nothing so long as you tell people what they want to hear. Trump and Johnson stars have aligned and two once mighty nations are now an embarrassment. That dyed in the wool Tories are bailing on Johnson tells you all you need to know about this current administration. He has one thing going for him, leaving the EU come hell or high water, on 31st October. Apparently that is all it takes for shed loads of people to support you. The further right you go, the easier it is to get people to swallow your bull****.
    Yep and the analogy with the rise of the nazis is alarming. What you thought were decent people can become tunnelled vision into believing anything, ‘remainer traitors thwarted Boris’s deal’ regardless their being no evidence whatsoever that he had any plan.

    The blinkered fools on here sucked up lines like draining the swamp. Not much of a stretch to imagine them getting quite excited being in authority in a camp with free reign to bully and belittle.

    Openly singing yesterday about being a ‘lamppost for you’ to remain protestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    It's just really frustrating when people don't see the world the same way I do and refuse to vote the correct way. There's so many thick idiots in the UK who can just be tricked into voting for anyone. Its happened a few times over the last few years and I'm not sure what the solution is. Maybe we need to keep referring to them as thick idiots who keep being tricked and have no idea what they want and then they'll definitely start to come around and vote the way they are supposed to (or better yet just stop voting all together.)

    It's all just a bunch of thick, stupid imbeciles with no morals and hate in their hearts.
    V good and yes it doesn’t help. However there is a complete lack of backbone, morality and integrity on one side. Not that I trust the other side too much but they are not as full of hate.

    Looks at them all denying any true motives for paroging parliament, condoning kicking colleagues out for voting against govt. when they have done same many times, under playing that no deal will be bad.

    I don’t have faith the public will see them for what they are though as it seems in or out is all that matters. And yes the public are fcking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    yet, other 'exclusive' polls have him pulling further away from Labour/the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    yet, other 'exclusive' polls have him pulling further away from Labour/the rest
    Odd isn't it, especially as The Sun should be supporting him..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    condoning kicking colleagues out for voting against govt. when they have done same many times,

    More pony.

    There’s a difference between voting against the Government and voting against them in a confidence issue.

    The FTPA (another genius idea from Mr Poll tax and last weeks leftie hero, Sir Oliver Letwin ) complicates things slightly , voting against your Government in what they consider a confidence matter gets the whip removed. Always has done, always will do. Johnny Mayor, another “rebel alliance” hero did it to a dozen proper Tories (he also prorogued Parliament to avoid a cash for questions enquiry). None, not one, of the present cabinet voted against the government in what they deemed a confidence matter. If you vote for opposition figures to take over the running of the Government’s main priority, you’re gone. And no amount of crocodile tears from lefties will change that fact. Had Mrs May possessed a pair of balls as big as Boris’, she could of done the same thing, but she didn’t and therefore nobody voted against the Government in what they deemed a confidence issue.



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    The general public isn't stupid.

    But, maybe 20% of them are the thickest off the thick and easily-led - they will believe literally anything.
    This is the sector that the strategists target, get them and you tip the balance of any vote.

    So when we see the likes of Gove, Johnson, Raab and Farage stood there on TV telling absolute blatant whoppers that make normal people laugh, the 20% lap it up.
    Don't forget how that Rory fella offered the associations a reality check about the likelihood of a deal and the tax implications if there wasn't one - they despised him for that, with a vengeance - they wanted to hear unicorns and bus lies, comforting soundbites about the glory of the empire and the good old days.
    Writing these and targeting people based on complex research is what Cummings does best.
    We are in strange times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    More pony.

    There’s a difference between voting against the Government and voting against them in a confidence issue.

    The FTPA (another genius idea from Mr Poll tax and last weeks leftie hero, Sir Oliver Letwin ) complicates things slightly , voting against your Government in what they consider a confidence matter gets the whip removed. Always has done, always will do. Johnny Mayor, another “rebel alliance” hero did it to a dozen proper Tories (he also prorogued Parliament to avoid a cash for questions enquiry). None, not one, of the present cabinet voted against the government in what they deemed a confidence matter. If you vote for opposition figures to take over the running of the Government’s main priority, you’re gone. And no amount of crocodile tears from lefties will change that fact. Had Mrs May possessed a pair of balls as big as Boris’, she could of done the same thing, but she didn’t and therefore nobody voted against the Government in what they deemed a confidence issue.



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    Is Rudd in your swamp?

    She is basically saying on Marr that no cabinet discussion on anything. The stooges have no issue with this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    More pony.

    There’s a difference between voting against the Government and voting against them in a confidence issue.

    The FTPA (another genius idea from Mr Poll tax and last weeks leftie hero, Sir Oliver Letwin ) complicates things slightly , voting against your Government in what they consider a confidence matter gets the whip removed. Always has done, always will do. Johnny Mayor, another “rebel alliance” hero did it to a dozen proper Tories (he also prorogued Parliament to avoid a cash for questions enquiry). None, not one, of the present cabinet voted against the government in what they deemed a confidence matter. If you vote for opposition figures to take over the running of the Government’s main priority, you’re gone. And no amount of crocodile tears from lefties will change that fact. Had Mrs May possessed a pair of balls as big as Boris’, she could of done the same thing, but she didn’t and therefore nobody voted against the Government in what they deemed a confidence issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyboy View Post
    The general public isn't stupid.

    But, maybe 20% of them are the thickest off the thick and easily-led - they will believe literally anything.
    This is the sector that the strategists target, get them and you tip the balance of any vote.

    So when we see the likes of Gove, Johnson, Raab and Farage stood there on TV telling absolute blatant whoppers that make normal people laugh, the 20% lap it up.
    Don't forget how that Rory fella offered the associations a reality check about the likelihood of a deal and the tax implications if there wasn't one - they despised him for that, with a vengeance - they wanted to hear unicorns and bus lies, comforting soundbites about the glory of the empire and the good old days.
    Writing these and targeting people based on complex research is what Cummings does best.
    We are in strange times.
    Would you suggest corbyn, McDonell and co also have a claw into the 'thickest' of society? I mean, you must be demented if believing Dianne Abbott would make a good Home Sec?

    Yes?

    perhaps, we should ban them from voting altogether?
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    I've not said anything like that.
    Ever.

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    McDonnell is like Kinnock in coming round from being left wing lunatic to actually sounding quiet sensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    McDonnell is like Kinnock in coming round from being left wing lunatic to actually sounding quiet sensible.
    People high up in the Bank of England think he’s smart and take him very seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    More pony.

    There’s a difference between voting against the Government and voting against them in a confidence issue.

    The FTPA (another genius idea from Mr Poll tax and last weeks leftie hero, Sir Oliver Letwin ) complicates things slightly , voting against your Government in what they consider a confidence matter gets the whip removed. Always has done, always will do. Johnny Mayor, another “rebel alliance” hero did it to a dozen proper Tories (he also prorogued Parliament to avoid a cash for questions enquiry). None, not one, of the present cabinet voted against the government in what they deemed a confidence matter. If you vote for opposition figures to take over the running of the Government’s main priority, you’re gone. And no amount of crocodile tears from lefties will change that fact. Had Mrs May possessed a pair of balls as big as Boris’, she could of done the same thing, but she didn’t and therefore nobody voted against the Government in what they deemed a confidence issue.



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    The more posts that Duckie makes , the more you realise that the Conservatives are becoming a narrow sect rather than a main stream political party. The British version of the "People's front of Judea." Letwin and Major are now the latest pinko infiltrators from the " Judean People's Front" who need to be removed from the Brotherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    The more posts that Duckie makes , the more you realise that the Conservatives are becoming a narrow sect rather than a main stream political party. The British version of the "People's front of Judea." Letwin and Major are now the latest pinko infiltrators from the " Judean People's Front" who need to be removed from the Brotherhood.
    It’s an interesting lead measure which will tell in the polls over the medium term. The ERG are warming their hands on the embers if the Tory party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    And yet:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    And yet:
    Yeah, as I said above, it's odd.

    It's as if polls are ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    Yeah, as I said above, it's odd.

    It's as if polls are ****.
    That’s certainly the reaction of Brexiters when the poll of polls point to a majority wanting to stay in the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    The more posts that Duckie makes , the more you realise that the Conservatives are becoming a narrow sect rather than a main stream political party. The British version of the "People's front of Judea." Letwin and Major are now the latest pinko infiltrators from the " Judean People's Front" who need to be removed from the Brotherhood.
    It is a bit Monty Pythonesque. This is the clown who rails against the establishment (despite Brexit being led by parts of the establishment) and denounces neoliberalism (despite his political hero Margaret Thatcher being its chief architect).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    It's just really frustrating when people don't see the world the same way I do and refuse to vote the correct way. There's so many thick idiots in the UK who can just be tricked into voting for anyone. Its happened a few times over the last few years and I'm not sure what the solution is. Maybe we need to keep referring to them as thick idiots who keep being tricked and have no idea what they want and then they'll definitely start to come around and vote the way they are supposed to (or better yet just stop voting all together.)

    It's all just a bunch of thick, stupid imbeciles with no morals and hate in their hearts.
    Agree with this. Media is pandering by taking them seriously, if their dumb ideas are just treated as dumb, it’d be a better approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashnats View Post
    Agree with this. Media is pandering by taking them seriously, if their dumb ideas are just treated as dumb, it’d be a better approach.
    Agreed but what's to be done if people keep voting the wrong way? I'm not sure it's going to set them on the right track if we get the media to tell them how thick and silly they are that's just going to make them more determined. Maybe we need to demoralise them somehow so they are less likely to have their say. What do you think is the best strategy?
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    The point is that Boris isn't doing nearly as badly with the wider public than people on here would wish. He's still the person most likely to win a majority if there is an election. If that does come to pass then how does that fit with the narrative that he is doing absolutely disastrously? He might not be doing what some on here want him to but he is arguably in the strongest position of all the major political leaders (not sure Sturgeon counts.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    The point is that Boris isn't doing nearly as badly with the wider public than people on here would wish. He's still the person most likely to win a majority if there is an election. If that does come to pass then how does that fit with the narrative that he is doing absolutely disastrously? He might not be doing what some on here want him to but he is arguably in the strongest position of all the major political leaders (not sure Sturgeon counts.)
    Hypo, if you were being lined up against Corbyn, I am sure you would poll quite highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Hypo, if you were being lined up against Corbyn, I am sure you would poll quite highly.
    It's the mad thing labour would be a shoe in at GE if they had just about anyone but Jeremy and the gang in charge. I can't work out why they have stuck with him for so long really. The last few years should have been an absolute gift for the leader of the opposition and yet Corbyn has still failed to really appeal to voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Hypo, if you were being lined up against Corbyn, I am sure you would poll quite highly.
    So if the point of Boris as leader of the Conservative Party is to win a majority and be the PM after an election and he is currently the leader most likely to achieve this how is he doing such a terrible job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    The more posts that Duckie makes , the more you realise that the Conservatives are becoming a narrow sect rather than a main stream political party. The British version of the "People's front of Judea." Letwin and Major are now the latest pinko infiltrators from the " Judean People's Front" who need to be removed from the Brotherhood.
    Letwin was one of the architects of the poll tax and it was his idea to trial it in Scotland, leading to a Tory wipeout north of the border. Major’s term in office led to a landslide & 13years in opposition. They’re basically part of the neo liberal blob that’s ****ed the country since The Great lady stood down.

    There’s a realignment taking place, it’s clear which side you and 90% of the chumps on here are on. The conservative, cap doffing, scared of change side, standing alongside big business, banks and the establishment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Is Rudd in your swamp?
    Yep, one of the worst. The days of Lib Dem’s pretending to be Tories is well and truly over. Apart from old Ken(who was retiring anyway ) and Soubry before she went bonkers, none of them will be missed


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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    McDonnell is like Kinnock in coming round from being left wing lunatic to actually sounding quiet sensible.
    The last five years everything I've read from him sounds perfectly sensible. It's not a communist revolution to suggest profitable large businesses could pay a £500 dividend to their workers annually or that fat cat CEOS not receive millions in bonuses, especially when their companies have failed. Even renationalisation of the railways isn't that radical, it happened to one franchise fairly recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Yep, one of the worst. The days of Lib Dem’s pretending to be Tories is well and truly over. Apart from old Ken(who was retiring anyway ) and Soubry before she went bonkers, none of them will be missed


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    That's a very odd thing to say. Who are some of the other Conservative MPs you think are actually Libdems in this conspiracy? Or is that all of them now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwaysaint View Post
    That's a very odd thing to say. Who are some of the other Conservative MPs you think are actually Libdems in this conspiracy? Or is that all of them now?
    It's those ******s from the People's Front of Judea who are hated by the Judean People's Front. Once the Romans are overturned ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    R u alright hun?
    Bless him, he really doesn’t like it when you attack the far right. Apparently it is perfectly ok to lie to and mislead the people you are paid to represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Letwin was one of the architects of the poll tax and it was his idea to trial it in Scotland, leading to a Tory wipeout north of the border. Major’s term in office led to a landslide & 13years in opposition. They’re basically part of the neo liberal blob that’s ****ed the country since The Great lady stood down.

    There’s a realignment taking place, it’s clear which side you and 90% of the chumps on here are on. The conservative, cap doffing, scared of change side, standing alongside big business, banks and the establishment.


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    When someone refers to people with a moral backbone are described as “chumps” you pretty much know that there is no point in arguing with them. The upside is that the more that people like Duckie stick their heads above the parapet and spout their right wing nonsense, the more normal, decent people can see them for what they are and can cast their votes accordingly. As one very senior and well respected Tory said recently, this is rapidly becoming the Brexit Party and will suck in the UKIP fraternity. The GE can’t come soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Letwin was one of the architects of the poll tax and it was his idea to trial it in Scotland, leading to a Tory wipeout north of the border. Major’s term in office led to a landslide & 13years in opposition. They’re basically part of the neo liberal blob that’s ****ed the country since The Great lady stood down.

    There’s a realignment taking place, it’s clear which side you and 90% of the chumps on here are on. The conservative, cap doffing, scared of change side, standing alongside big business, banks and the establishment.


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    Neoliberalism and the poll tax had nothing to do with Thatcher? That’s like saying Christianity had nothing to do with Jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by norwaysaint View Post
    That's a very odd thing to say. Who are some of the other Conservative MPs you think are actually Libdems in this conspiracy? Or is that all of them now?
    Not odd at all. The Cameron intake damaged the party and selected prole based on box ticking than political beliefs. The upshot is we have MP’s changing parties like they change phone companies or gas/ electric providers. The party has always contained sopping wet pinkos, but people like Wollaston , Allen & Lee haven’t got a Tory bone in their body. They used the party as a vehicle to get to Westminster.

    The swamp is being drained.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Neoliberalism and the poll tax had nothing to do with Thatcher? That’s like saying Christianity had nothing to do with Jesus
    I assume LD disagrees with the pinko spending plans of Johnson and Javid?
    Although probably ok as come from his darlings.
    Didn’t like LibDem Hammond’s tighter control.
    Got their party back now and in no way all confused and being taking for gullible chumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Not odd at all. The Cameron intake damaged the party and selected prole based on box ticking than political beliefs. The upshot is we have MP’s changing parties like they change phone companies or gas/ electric providers. The party has always contained sopping wet pinkos, but people like Wollaston , Allen & Lee haven’t got a Tory bone in their body. They used the party as a vehicle to get to Westminster.

    The swamp is being drained.




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    I understand what you are saying. Who are the others still in the party that you think don't belong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    It's those ******s from the People's Front of Judea who are hated by the Judean People's Front. Once the Romans are overturned ......
    It’s actually the complete opposite. It’s Chucka, Soubry and their merry band of pinkos that keep splitting, renaming themselves and changing parties.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    The GE can’t come soon enough.

    Why’s your side of the argument scared of one then.





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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Bless him, he really doesn’t like it when you attack the far right. Apparently it is perfectly ok to lie to and mislead the people you are paid to represent.
    Chatting complete nonsense as usual. Fantasist.

    And what are you talking about far right? My post had nothing to do with that you're just inventing things again you really are weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Why’s your side of the argument scared of one then.





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    They're not. They're scared of a no deal Brexit. Important distinction there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallyboy View Post
    The general public isn't stupid.

    But, maybe 20% of them are the thickest off the thick and easily-led - they will believe literally anything.
    This is the sector that the strategists target, get them and you tip the balance of any vote.

    So when we see the likes of Gove, Johnson, Raab and Farage stood there on TV telling absolute blatant whoppers that make normal people laugh, the 20% lap it up.
    Don't forget how that Rory fella offered the associations a reality check about the likelihood of a deal and the tax implications if there wasn't one - they despised him for that, with a vengeance - they wanted to hear unicorns and bus lies, comforting soundbites about the glory of the empire and the good old days.
    Writing these and targeting people based on complex research is what Cummings does best.
    We are in strange times.
    I've got a sneaky suspicion that the 20% you are referring to are NOT watching the likes of Gove, Johnson, Raab and Farage stood there on TV telling absolute blatant whoppers that make normal people laugh! More likely they are watching dross like Love Island or one of the countless soaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unbelievable Jeff View Post
    They're not. They're scared of a no deal Brexit. Important distinction there.
    God are you really that gullible.

    One way to guarantee no deal is to win an election prior to 31/10. They’ve been offered one, but have bottled it. They know full well they face a day of reckoning when they face their constituents.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    . The upshot is we have MP’s changing parties like they change phone companies or gas/ electric providers.
    Or like Winston Churchill in 1904.

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    They're not. They're scared of a no deal Brexit. Important distinction there.
    They could quite easily take on the election, win and cancel brexit if they wish.

    If the polling was different, Corbyn, despite demanding and election every other day for two years, would have signed up to it immediately.

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    Who are the other libdems in the Conservative party? If you only say they were libdems after they leave, it has that kind of "bitter, jilted boyfriend retort" sound. Who do they need to kick out who's still there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    One way to guarantee no deal is to win an election prior to 31/10. They’ve been offered one, but have bottled it. They know full well they face a day of reckoning when they face their constituents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    They could quite easily take on the election, win and cancel brexit if they wish.
    If Parliament agrees to an election based on a certain date, it is feasible that the PM then advises the Queen to proclaim the election for a different date, which is why the opposition are avoiding it at the moment. In theory Boris could set the date to after Oct 31st, and with parliament dissolved we would leave on "no deal" by default.

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-election-date

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    They could quite easily take on the election, win and cancel brexit if they wish.

    If the polling was different, Corbyn, despite demanding and election every other day for two years, would have signed up to it immediately.
    The polling is irrelevant, if parliament agrees to an early election then all Boris has to do is move the date and we’re out without a deal

    If that wasn’t Boris’ plan he could easily ask for an election using a different procedure which sets the date in stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    They could quite easily take on the election, win and cancel brexit if they wish.

    If the polling was different, Corbyn, despite demanding and election every other day for two years, would have signed up to it immediately.
    I cannot believe how this line works on people and here you have it. Was it the chicken suit pictures?

    If you just took time to listen to any interview with any one of the united opposition you would be aware it is cos no one trusts this fcker on election date and we would default to a no deal exit.

    Vote leave did you? Don’t like the constant referencing to leavers being thick?

    Johnson said this was simple - now to show us how.

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    [QUOTE=Lord Duckhunter;2759608]God are you really that gullible.

    One way to guarantee no deal is to win an election prior to 31/10. They’ve been offered one, but have bottled it. They know full well they face a day of reckoning when they face their constituents.

    God, are you (and Batman) really that gullible? The reasons for the delay in going for an election have been explained hundreds of times and make perfect sense given how untrustworthy our latest PM is. It has nothing to do with bottling it, but then I am sure you understand that anyway (although I am not sure if the penny has dropped with Batman yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aintforever View Post
    The polling is irrelevant, if parliament agrees to an early election then all Boris has to do is move the date and we’re out without a deal

    If that wasn’t Boris’ plan he could easily ask for an election using a different procedure which sets the date in stone.
    Excuses, excuses. There’s absolutely zero chance Boris will propose an election on a certain date, get HoC approval and then go to the queen and change the date. Won’t happen, would be electoral suicide.

    The reason he won’t propose a one line bill stating the date is because that’s amendable. With Bercow it’ll get amended and will also have to pass the Remainers in The Lords.

    The opposition is actually doing what they claim Boris is doing, imposing their views by bypassing a democratic process. They’re trying to push an extension without going back to the people. The reason is, they know they’ll lose and Boris will have a mandate to leave “do or die” on 31/10.

    We’re heading for a constitutional crisis brought on entirely by the Remain extremists squatting in Westminster. We’re at the end of the road and an election is clearly needed. The British people are pretty fair minded and just as changing the date of any election will hurt Boris, standing in the way of a much needed GE will cost them.


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