The idiot chancers have done for the club.

[derry]

Whatever chance there was of putting together a realistic rescue and keeping the club going in the league, has been scuppered by the groups who were gambling on maybe getting somebody to ante up the money.

 

As far as the Pinnacle bid is concerned the administrator has come out and said that the reason for not going ahead, is not a good enough reason not to complete.

 

Marc Jackson and Tony Lynham between them have used up the three months that money could have been raised to keep us going.

 

Whilst the council could still buy the stadium unless a third party (possibly the Swiss) complete next week the club itself is a goner.

 

Either those two groups now just bugger off and admit they were just chancers or shut up and buy the club. Alternatively pool the mythical resources which won't happen.

 

I am now of the opinion that the Swiss are the last chance saloon. If they don't come good then that's it I'm afraid, as we no longer have the time to mount a rescue.

[buctootim]

Whatever chance there was of putting together a realistic rescue and keeping the club going in the league, has been scuppered by the groups who were gambling on maybe getting somebody to ante up the money.

 

As far as the Pinnacle bid is concerned the administrator has come out and said that the reason for not going ahead, is not a good enough reason not to complete.

 

Marc Jackson and Tony Lynham between them have used up the three months that money could have been raised to keep us going.

 

Whilst the council could still buy the stadium unless a third party (possibly the Swiss) complete next week the club itself is a goner.

 

Either those two groups now just bugger off and admit they were just chancers or shut up and buy the club. Alternatively pool the mythical resources which won't happen.

 

I am now of the opinion that the Swiss are the last chance saloon. If they don't come good then that's it I'm afraid, as we no longer have the time to mount a rescue.

 

Hard to argue that things are any brighter than that.

[exit2]

Sorry Derry but Im not buying that. There is a process and posters on here have always said it might not work out. Thats why they get the exclusive period. I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

[Thedelldays]

Sorry Derry but Im not buying that. There is a process and posters on here have always said it might not work out. Thats why they get the exclusive period. I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

maybe he did..?

[buctootim]

I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

 

He did. Read his statement.

[trousers]

maybe he did..?

 

Indeed....

[sotonswan]

Oh for a club bought by the fans and where the directors get paid nothing eh?

[Gingeletiss]

As far as the Pinnacle bid is concerned the administrator has come out and said that the reason for not going ahead, is not a good enough reason not to complete.

 

Two weeks ago........Mr Fry thought along the same lines as Pinnacle....but lets not worry about facts.

[buctootim]

Oh for a club bought by the fans and where the directors get paid nothing eh?

 

We're nearly there. We have a club fought over by the fans where no-one is getting paid anything.

[John B]

Whatever chance there was of putting together a realistic rescue and keeping the club going in the league, has been scuppered by the groups who were gambling on maybe getting somebody to ante up the money.

 

As far as the Pinnacle bid is concerned the administrator has come out and said that the reason for not going ahead, is not a good enough reason not to complete.

 

Marc Jackson and Tony Lynham between them have used up the three months that money could have been raised to keep us going.

 

Whilst the council could still buy the stadium unless a third party (possibly the Swiss) complete next week the club itself is a goner.

 

Either those two groups now just bugger off and admit they were just chancers or shut up and buy the club. Alternatively pool the mythical resources which won't happen.

 

I am now of the opinion that the Swiss are the last chance saloon. If they don't come good then that's it I'm afraid, as we no longer have the time to mount a rescue.

 

With people like you posting offensive remarks it is not surprising that wealthy people cannot be bothered in investing in football clubs because of the constant abuse they get when things do not go right

[derry]

Sorry Derry but Im not buying that. There is a process and posters on here have always said it might not work out. Thats why they get the exclusive period. I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

 

What bit don't you buy? The picture is becoming clear, it isn't going to happen. The fact still remains that we might have saved something. The reality is that unless the deal is done next week nothing will be saved.

 

The result of all the talking by all the parties is no sale.

[Thedelldays]

With people like you posting offensive remarks it is not surprising that wealthy people cannot be bothered in investing in football clubs because of the constant abuse they get when things do not go right

lol

 

a bit like saying that players will not play football for anyone as they get "abuse" from fans..

 

if people cant take a few knocks on a pointless message board then football is not for them

[gordonToo]

Sorry Derry but Im not buying that. There is a process and posters on here have always said it might not work out. Thats why they get the exclusive period. I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

 

Because like many of us he took TL at his word that the matter would be quickly resolved?

[exit2]

ok but I thought they only flew in Wednesday

[John B]

lol

 

 

 

if people cant take a few knocks on a pointless message board then football is not for them

 

Yes I think you have proved my point

[SuperSAINT]

I want to now why, Mark Fry didnt get the Swiss in last weekend!

 

My friend, the question really is - Why the hell did he NOT sanction the Swiss BEFORE he gave Pinnacle Exclusivity?

[buctootim]

ok but I thought they only flew in Wednesday

 

Opened talks last weekend, sufficient interest to meet yesterday.

[John B]

My friend, the question really is - Why the hell did he NOT sanction the Swiss BEFORE he gave Pinnacle Exclusivity?

 

Probably because Crouch/Pinnacle paid the mony which was urgently needed to pay the wages

[derry]

With people like you posting offensive remarks it is not surprising that wealthy people cannot be bothered in investing in football clubs because of the constant abuse they get when things do not go right

 

It's not the wealthy people that are the problem. It's the one's that aren't wealthy and rely on finding a third party to pay that are.

 

There are a lot of people who work for SFC who aren't being paid. Yet last week two groups made statements that they could pay and backtracked. It's them I feel for.

[exit2]

But my whole point to this is, if doesnt matter who he got in, if their period finished last Friday and they said sorry this isnt for us, we would be in the same position. Im trying to see this from not being a Saints Fans but a business man. Also the fact that it was nearly 4/5 weeks before anyone actually came for for exclusivity. I agree Derry it does look glum but, where were these Arabs, Swiss etc back in April

[trousers]

My friend, the question really is - Why the hell did he NOT sanction the Swiss BEFORE he gave Pinnacle Exclusivity?

 

Because both bids passed his acceptance criteria but one got the exclusivity money to him first?

[John B]

It's not the wealthy people that are the problem. It's the one's that aren't wealthy and rely on finding a third party to pay that are.

 

There are a lot of people who work for SFC who aren't being paid. Yet last week two groups made statements that they could pay and backtracked. It's them I feel for.

 

It is hardly fair to blame the possible future owners for the mess that led us into administration they are trying to resolve the situation I would have thought

[bigtonesfc]

All you clever ****s spent days/hours deliberating this ****!And still know feckall,Whole thing a joke!

[buctootim]

All you clever ****s spent days/hours deliberating this ****!And still know feckall,Whole thing a joke!

 

Thanks for that.

[exit2]

Because both bids passed his acceptance criteria but one got the exclusivity money to him first?

as well as passing the proof of funds tests twice - the FL and Administrators, and passing the fit for work directors approval from the FL. This is why I dont get it

[benjii]

Those idiot bucket shakers, scroungers and DIY-clubbers have tipped us over the edge. They must have wasted at least a couple of weeks with their happy-clappy toss.

[John B]

as well as passing the proof of funds tests twice - the FL and Administrators, and passing the fit for work directors approval from the FL. This is why I dont get it

 

There is no evidence at the moment that there is a problem with funding from Pinnacle just rumours which may of course turn out to be correct

[bigtonesfc]

Thanks for that.

 

Prove me wrong!

[buctootim]

Prove me wrong!

 

Its a message board mate, you know - where people discuss news and issues as and when they arise. When the facts change, the opinions change.

[derry]

But my whole point to this is, if doesnt matter who he got in, if their period finished last Friday and they said sorry this isnt for us, we would be in the same position. Im trying to see this from not being a Saints Fans but a business man. Also the fact that it was nearly 4/5 weeks before anyone actually came for for exclusivity. I agree Derry it does look glum but, where were these Arabs, Swiss etc back in April

 

All we have got from the two parties was that they had the money and could definitely buy the club. I accept that the deal offered by Jackson was staged payments and sidelined by Fry. However he has changed backers since then and that doesn't look credible to me. The Pinnacle bid looks dead in the water.

 

I was told last week that Pinnacle were looking to get out but I didn't want to believe it. I was told that the Swiss were worth more than a billion and much more credible, but that means nothing unless they do buy us.

 

Yesterday the BBC called me and asked whether there was any chance we would resurrect the appeal. I now know why. No wonder he sounded disapointed when I told him there was no hope, as there was no time as the money had run out.

[teamsaint]

Oh for a club bought by the fans and where the directors get paid nothing eh?

 

 

you want to be careful saying stuff like that round here!!

 

a couple of weeks ago i suggested that it might, one day, be great to have a fans owned/run club. Shot down in flames.

(It was not, and I am not anything to do with the Saints Trust)

 

I know its idealistic, and will probably never happen, but I bet if such a thing appeared out of thin air tonight, plenty of people would take it.

 

Personally, just behappy to have a club, whether fan owned, or billionaire plaything.

[John B]

Its a message board mate, you know - where people discuss news and issues as and when they arise. When the facts change, the opinions change.

 

Opinions often change on rumours and not facts often fans fantasies also become facts in other peoples eyes

[derry]

It is hardly fair to blame the possible future owners for the mess that led us into administration they are trying to resolve the situation I would have thought

 

'Possible' but now unlikely. I don't know about Marc Jackson but the evidence is stacking up against Pinnacle. It's the fact that we the fans don't have the time now to save something if we are not bought next week. FFS the administrator obviously thinks they aren't going to buy us.

[Mole]

'Possible' but now unlikely. I don't know about Marc Jackson but the evidence is stacking up against Pinnacle. It's the fact that we the fans don't have the time now to save something if we are not bought next week. FFS the administrator obviously thinks they aren't going to buy us.

 

If Jacko is the only hope then it's game over.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

as well as passing the proof of funds tests twice - the FL and Administrators, and passing the fit for work directors approval from the FL. This is why I dont get it

 

So again everything points toward the FA being the problem, MLT has said so, TL has said so, Fry has said so and my mum has repeated it, I think it is safe to say by now that the arguement is not re -10 but leaving themselves open to -25 without the right to appeal.

Are the Swiss or A N Other gonna accept that 'deal' just to own the club ?

Will Saltz's group take on the poison chalice knowing they will not be accountable when we are in league two for the 10/11 season and build up from there ?

Chancers don't throw this kind of money around, do they ?

[buctootim]

Opinions often change on rumours and not facts often fans fantasies also become facts in other peoples eyes

 

Thats true, but since we were promised.....

1. A tycoon worth several hundred millions - and got live at home Michael Fialka
   
2. Completion with days, maybe hours - over 10 days ago and still have stalling
   
3. Adminstrator refusing to believe Pinnacles reasons for not completing are valid
   

.....then I think fans have a right to be just a tad sceptical.

[St Lightjaw]

Whatever chance there was of putting together a realistic rescue and keeping the club going in the league, has been scuppered by the groups who were gambling on maybe getting somebody to ante up the money.

 

As far as the Pinnacle bid is concerned the administrator has come out and said that the reason for not going ahead, is not a good enough reason not to complete.

 

Marc Jackson and Tony Lynham between them have used up the three months that money could have been raised to keep us going.

 

Whilst the council could still buy the stadium unless a third party (possibly the Swiss) complete next week the club itself is a goner.

 

Either those two groups now just bugger off and admit they were just chancers or shut up and buy the club. Alternatively pool the mythical resources which won't happen.

 

I am now of the opinion that the Swiss are the last chance saloon. If they don't come good then that's it I'm afraid, as we no longer have the time to mount a rescue.

 

 

 

Don't worry Derry :cool:

 

For the last 3 months, us fans have been fundraising (I salute those Saints fans who walked to Nottingham Forest) .... raising the media profile .... and getting local business on side to form our own supporters trust consortium. We should now be in the position to rescue the club (with some help from the council).

 

Forward thinking by us Saints fans has saved the day.

 

We accepted a long time ago that we are not a "big club" and Saints fans can be proud that we haven't been sat on our backsides posting threads with links to the Forbes top 100 billionaire rich-list .... and we can also be proud that we are not gullible supporters who crack open a bottle of champaign and lie back for a month when a new "bit of info" thread is started.

 

 

 

:axe:

[John B]

'Possible' but now unlikely. I don't know about Marc Jackson but the evidence is stacking up against Pinnacle. It's the fact that we the fans don't have the time now to save something if we are not bought next week. FFS the administrator obviously thinks they aren't going to buy us.

 

Yes you are right but Pinnacle may well have a valid reason for not going forward only time will tell.

 

 

With all the negative comments and vaguely anti Jewish feeling from a minority of fans why bother any way

[INFLUENCED.COM]

[*]Adminstrator refusing to believe Pinnacles reasons for not completing are valid

.....then I think fans have a right to be just a tad sceptical.

 

As pointed out earlier, he did believe the reasons valid, probably before he realised he was shooting himself/BT in the foot by doing so.

[SaintBobby]

Opinions often change on rumours and not facts often fans fantasies also become facts in other peoples eyes

 

If you want 100% confirmed facts, wait for announcments on the OS>

[OldNick]

So again everything points toward the FA being the problem, MLT has said so, TL has said so, Fry has said so and my mum has repeated it, I think it is safe to say by now that the arguement is not re -10 but leaving themselves open to -25 without the right to appeal.

Are the Swiss or A N Other gonna accept that 'deal' just to own the club ?

Will Saltz's group take on the poison chalice knowing they will not be accountable when we are in league two for the 10/11 season and build up from there ?

Chancers don't throw this kind of money around, do they ?

If I was a betting man I would put my money on the Salz group, if they still are waiting to pounce of course.The club would be a bargain at 5-6m. Even if we get -25 the club could be bought with no debt and move on from there.We the fans would have ot be patient and I assume only 7-10 would attend until the good times arrived.Some will say they will not get it for 5-6 m, but they will when all else fails and we are at the liquidation stage.Yes we will have minus 25 but Salz and co wont have any worries as they will be the 'saviours' and we of course will be eternally grateful for them to come in.I myself will accept theor ownership but will always be grudging

[SaintBobby]

There is no evidence at the moment that there is a problem with funding from Pinnacle just rumours which may of course turn out to be correct

 

I'd say there's quite a lot of evidence that the Pinnacle bid will fail. It's not totally conclusive, but it is there...

[derry]

Don't worry Derry :cool:

 

For the last 3 months, us fans have been fundraising (I salute those Saints fans who walked to Nottingham Forest) .... raising the media profile .... and getting local business on side to form our own supporters trust consortium. We should now be in the position to rescue the club (with some help from the council).

 

Forward thinking by us Saints fans has saved the day.

 

We accepted a long time ago that we are not a "big club" and Saints fans can be proud that we haven't been sat on our backsides posting threads with links to the Forbes top 100 billionaire rich-list .... and we can also be proud that we are not gullible supporters who crack open a bottle of champaign and lie back for a month when a new "bit of info" thread is started.

 

 

 

:axe:

 

I wish you success. The problem you have is the probable liquidation of SFC next Friday if there is no buyer.

 

You will probably need £500k at least up front on Friday if we aren't bought. I suggest you contact Anthony Salz if you haven't done so, you will need all the help you can get. Best of luck.

[VectisSaint]

My friend, the question really is - Why the hell did he NOT sanction the Swiss BEFORE he gave Pinnacle Exclusivity?

Because quite simply their offer, if it even exists, wasn't even on the table. There are some plonkers on here who think that Mr Fry is not a professional who has investigated all of the options and concluded that the best, most viable option was and remains Pinnacle. Anyone who thinks the Swiss or Jackson would be as viable are living in cloud cuckoo land. What we really need now is idiots rubbishing Pinnacle, because the more you do the more likely they will withdraw, and as they are the only real show in town you really need to pray that they don't, because otherwise it is all over for Saints. Maybe it is already, it certainly looks like it may be, and for that ultimately there are 2 people to thank, Lowe and Wilde.

[CB Fry]

With people like you posting offensive remarks it is not surprising that wealthy people cannot be bothered in investing in football clubs because of the constant abuse they get when things do not go right

 

 

Hilarious.

 

So it's all our fault.

 

We should have welcomed them all in, just like all the Man United fans welcomed the Glazers with wide open arms and unquestioning adoration a couple of years back.

 

[derry]

Because quite simply their offer, if it even exists, wasn't even on the table. There are some plonkers on here who think that Mr Fry is not a professional who has investigated all of the options and concluded that the best, most viable option was and remains Pinnacle. Anyone who thinks the Swiss or Jackson would be as viable are living in cloud cuckoo land. What we really need now is idiots rubbishing Pinnacle, because the more you do the more likely they will withdraw, and as they are the only real show in town you really need to pray that they don't, because otherwise it is all over for Saints. Maybe it is already, it certainly looks like it may be, and for that ultimately there are 2 people to thank, Lowe and Wilde.

 

They may well be trying to close the deal, but they are going a funny way about it. The publicity of the last two days has been bizarre.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

This Pinnacle takeover is more of a farce, and has caused so much damage to the club. Than any of the previous so called takeovers, rolled into one!

[St Lightjaw]

You will probably need £500k at least

 

 

ok ... you caught me out

 

I have £9.12 and a packet of polos.

 

I only started fundraising about 10 minutes ago.

 

I would have started back in April, but posters kept saying that we were a goldmine and Bill Gates was interested. I didn't want to rock the boat and put him off.

[OldNick]

ultimately there are 2 people to thank, Lowe and Wilde.

this is why we are never going to be united. It is not just them FFS look back to Askham, Wiseman LC and all the other jokers who said nothing to stop the rot and also made decisions to overspend.We have a lot of people to blame but at this stage we pray/hope/etc etc

[derry]

ok ... you caught me out

 

I have £9.12 and a packet of polos.

 

I only started fundraising about 10 minutes ago.

 

I would have started back in April, but posters kept saying that we were a goldmine and Bill Gates was interested. I didn't want to rock the boat and put him off.

 

Don't eat the polos, after Friday you'll probably be able to get the lot in exchange for them:(