Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I am as pleased as the next man that we find ourselves with a new owner who appears to want the best for the club...etc. etc. I've bought my ST and I'm looking forward to supporting ML, the new manager and the team. However, am I the only one starting to get a little concerned about the manner in which pre-season is now progressing? I do not feel I am over-reacting - just starting to feel a bit...well, uneasy. Firstly, not making a swift managerial appointment tends to suggest that a clear candidate was not known beforehand. Not a problem in essence I know, however I would have hoped the incoming regime had enough time to target and secure their man before now. Secondly and most importantly, I am not getting a good feeling about the squad as it stands. Without a manager being appointed, the current batch of players being trooped out are MILES from being good enough to survive L1, let alone challenge for a play-off place. IMO major surgery on the team and its tactics will be vital to any form of success this coming season. Time is running out to sort this squad out and get a cohesive 1st team prepared for the season ahead - to rid the current players of the losing mentality from last season - to drill them in the new managers ideas - to prepare for what will be a very demanding season again. There are only so many pre-season warm-up friendlies to do this work and I repeat, time is running out. Fingers crossed. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Patience pleas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I agree with the gist of what you're saying although I think the "feelgood factor" will still be present at the first league game, regardless of pre-season (unless Branfoot, Wigley or Adams are given the manager's job). It's important that we remember that, despite now having a dream owner: we will be bottom of the table for at least the first three matches, probably longer we currently have a squad containing some players that would rather be playing for a club in a better division we have a squad that contains a lot of players whose only first team experience is largely that of losing matches We need to be patient. Personally, I would be happy enough if we finished mid-table this season and laid down some good building blocks for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Chill - we have easily enough time to get a manager and some better players in. I totally understand the uneasiness but we need to have faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 FFS it's not even been a week yet. Plus Preseason is for fitness not results. We should all realise this will be a year of consolidation and not think were manchester city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 (edited) Just want to get the manager in and a few players then I will be happy as it will take sometime for the team to be confident with each other. But the Pinnacle fiasco has not helped Edited 13 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Ridiculous to get impatient already. Getting the right man takes time. I for one am glad that it is being done deliberately, and not with snap judgment. I look forward to all decisions regarding playing and coaching staff being taken this deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 oh dear me - undoing the years of mis- management does take sometime. Appointing the right management team is the most important at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I'm waiting for the first of the new generation of ITK'ers to come out of the woodwork! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I am as pleased as the next man that we find ourselves with a new owner who appears to want the best for the club...etc. etc. I've bought my ST and I'm looking forward to supporting ML, the new manager and the team. However, am I the only one starting to get a little concerned about the manner in which pre-season is now progressing? I do not feel I am over-reacting - just starting to feel a bit...well, uneasy. Firstly, not making a swift managerial appointment tends to suggest that a clear candidate was not known beforehand. Not a problem in essence I know, however I would have hoped the incoming regime had enough time to target and secure their man before now. Secondly and most importantly, I am not getting a good feeling about the squad as it stands. Without a manager being appointed, the current batch of players being trooped out are MILES from being good enough to survive L1, let alone challenge for a play-off place. IMO major surgery on the team and its tactics will be vital to any form of success this coming season. Time is running out to sort this squad out and get a cohesive 1st team prepared for the season ahead - to rid the current players of the losing mentality from last season - to drill them in the new managers ideas - to prepare for what will be a very demanding season again. There are only so many pre-season warm-up friendlies to do this work and I repeat, time is running out. Fingers crossed. :cool:FFS stop being a drama-queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 FFS I really do not believe this ! I guess that if we lose the first 3 games you will start calling for the return of Rupert !!!! Last week we nearly never had a club at all, so please be happy with anything that comes our way in the near future ! End of rant ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Redstripe Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Might be out of our control at the moment, eg, maybe we are waiting for someone like Shearer, who is with another club at present, but could find themselves unwanted by a new owner, then we step in. Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Ridiculous to get impatient already. Getting the right man takes time. I for one am glad that it is being done deliberately, and not with snap judgment. I look forward to all decisions regarding playing and coaching staff being taken this deliberately. Very well said. All the indications so far are that things are being done properly - I know we have precious little experience of that, but it's certainly something I could get used to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Pedro Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I'm sure we could have appointed the wrong manager last week but it takes a little longer to make a considered decision . They might even have to hold interviews first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 ...and I thought I was bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Can we reserve judgement until we have a managerand made 6-7 signings please. Personally I am still chuffed we exist at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Can we reserve judgement until we have a managerand made 6-7 signings please. Personally I am still chuffed we exist at all Well said - this time last week me and the nipper were wondering what we were going to be doing on Saturdays come August... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Feel good factor? We're not even resuscitated yet. Just breathing the first gasps of air from being close to death. I don't care if we are not ready for the new season and we get slaughtered by everyone from Ajax to Cheltenham, just glad to be alive. It's amazing how many plants in my back patch seemed to have died in the drought a few years ago and again in last years floods, and yet they are looking really strong and healthy this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I can't believe the new owners have been here long enough and we haven't stepped in for Terry yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 These guys are totally professional the way they will run the club, no need to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 These guys are totally professional the way they will run the club, no need to worry. spot on. Nicola Cortese is one of the best in the business. we didnt' get any leaks during the takeover and we won't get any leaks during the manager hunt either. really impressive imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I am actually glad that the new owners are taking an apparantly considered approach to appointing a manager who should be in charge for at least five years. Rather that than them signing the first t055er who swings by sms (cough tony adams cough). It is frustrating, sure, but I am convinced that it will work out in the long run, which is what matters ultimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 spot on. Nicola Cortese is one of the best in the business. we didnt' get any leaks during the takeover and we won't get any leaks during the manager hunt either. really impressive imo. So what does he know about choosing a manager I wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 So what does he know about choosing a manager I wonder I would imagine that is down to Andy Oldknow, who is the 'football man.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 So what does he know about choosing a manager I wonder I'm sure it's not just down to him, Andy Oldknow will play a part and i'm sure the manager hunt is also why they've consulted MLT. I'm confident in them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I am actually glad that the new owners are taking an apparantly considered approach to appointing a manager who should be in charge for at least five years. Rather that than them signing the first t055er who swings by sms (cough tony adams cough). It is frustrating, sure, but I am convinced that it will work out in the long run, which is what matters ultimately. Agreed. It's just going to take a while to get the old banger firing in all cylinders -once she's cleared her throat we'll pull out into the fast lane and woooosh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I'm sure it's not just down to him, Andy Oldknow will play a part and i'm sure the manager hunt is also why they've consulted MLT. I'm confident in them anyway. Just seems a bit hit and miss to me I thought they would be better prepared thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Yes we are running out of time if we want to blast straight from kick off with a huge run of wins. However I believe the new man whoever it turns out to be will be able to find a few players in the time left. He also has a chance to bring in loanies once he has seen where we are at our weakest. Hopefully the two triallists will prove to be usefull and will acept whatever we can offer them. If we can get away from the bottom by Xmas I think we will be relatively satisfied. Come January we should again be able to strengthen where necessary. It is possible for us to make a late push for a playoff spot but let us be thankfull we have at least got the chance to see our team play. Another name mentioned elsewhere today as a possible manager was Alan Pardew. My doubt would be his cost. He does have a bit of experience but maybe not enough for our level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 Just seems a bit hit and miss to me I thought they would be better prepared thats all There's only so much that can be done until you actually own the club though, surely. My impression is that these people wouldn't have gone off talking to potential managers until they had completed the deal for the club - or before they'd made a decision about whether to retain Wotte's services or not. As I said earlier, I'd rather they took the time to get the right person for us; if that entails several interviews of several candidates then so be it. It's the single most important decision for this club - best not to rush it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 yeah, you is right. We should be top of the Prem by now. I mean... he has got billions after all... (give the chap time to get his feet under the desk!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I agree with the gist of what you're saying although I think the "feelgood factor" will still be present at the first league game, regardless of pre-season (unless Branfoot, Wigley or Adams are given the manager's job). It's important that we remember that, despite now having a dream owner: we will be bottom of the table for at least the first three matches, probably longer we currently have a squad containing some players that would rather be playing for a club in a better division we have a squad that contains a lot of players whose only first team experience is largely that of losing matches We need to be patient. Personally, I would be happy enough if we finished mid-table this season and laid down some good building blocks for the future. Thanks for a well thought out sensible answer...which incidentally is not a million miles away from my thoughts actually. Unfortunately, there are the predictable juniors who swing between two extreme polar positions and who wouldn't know a debate if it slapped them in the face (you know who you are). We can rely on most of them calling for the sacking of the manager and the Board in a few months time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 13 July, 2009 Share Posted 13 July, 2009 I have to agree with those posters that said that we are glad to have a football club to support at all. Let's face it, anyone would have taken this scenario four weeks ago, even in the midst of the Pinnacle debacle. These things take time - three weeks of which was completely wasted during the period of exclusivity while Lynam said the right things and Fialka ransacked his old dear's couch for a spare 14 million. I'd rather that ML's team /did/ the right things and see a little less of the "sense of entitlement" while they go about doing them. If it takes a few years, so be it. We have those years in front of us now. We couldn't have said that three weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 There's only so much that can be done until you actually own the club though, surely. My impression is that these people wouldn't have gone off talking to potential managers until they had completed the deal for the club - or before they'd made a decision about whether to retain Wotte's services or not. As I said earlier, I'd rather they took the time to get the right person for us; if that entails several interviews of several candidates then so be it. It's the single most important decision for this club - best not to rush it. I dont disagree with you but they could have worked out the sort of manager they were looking for before signing the contract. Perhaps they did just feel we are in limbo at the moment but hopefully that will change quite soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2009 There's only so much that can be done until you actually own the club though, surely. My impression is that these people wouldn't have gone off talking to potential managers until they had completed the deal for the club - or before they'd made a decision about whether to retain Wotte's services or not. As I said earlier, I'd rather they took the time to get the right person for us; if that entails several interviews of several candidates then so be it. It's the single most important decision for this club - best not to rush it. I agree that the manager appointment is extremely important. What seems a little concerning to me is that under the circumstances time is a commodity we have little of to put together a half decent team. I don't agree that it's "ok to lose because it's just pre-season". Perhaps it's because I don't like losing myself that I find it difficult to accept an apparent lack of urgency to sort things out so that last seasons losing mentality is purged completely. And what would be the point of change at the top if performances on the field remained the same poor standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Stewart Henderson is as good a temporary coach as we need. He knows the youngsters and older players and can play them in positions which suit them best. Something that hasn't ben tried for years, astonishingly. Until the new manager is appointed his main task is to get the lads REALLY fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyg1950 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hi folks, I'm new to the forum, tho a Saints fan since I was 12 in 1962. Exiled to North Wales for the last 20 years. A little early to be worrying :-) This time last week I was seriously contemplating who on earth I would support in the future so I am just patheticaly greatful that I never had to finalise that decision. Reality is this year that we do start -10 in a tricky division with (as yet) no manager and no 'team' in the true sense of that word. We will need at least 60 points (inc the -10) to survive, 75ish for mid table and around 100 to make the playoffs. This season, with who ever in charge and regardless of money in the bank, we should all see it as a success if we don't go down. I for one will feel very proud if we don't, it's a BIG ask! I hope the new owners take a sensible, sustainable long term view and don't just buy names in an attempt to please us fickle fans and boost things. I think feasible targets would be; 09/10 survive in L1 10/11 get to the play offs having built the club a lot in the meantime. 11/12 or 12/13 CCC building and developing more. 2014 or 15 back in the Prem and stay there in time for my 65th in 2015 :-) For adventure and excitement we can have some good cup runs like we used to do. The single biggest change that the new owners could make to Saints is that our superb academy is no longer breeding talent for sale, it's breeding talent for the 1st team. Find us a Moyes(esque) young manager, give him a temptation proof contract I say :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Welcome onboard, Marty. Very nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Hi folks, I'm new to the forum, tho a Saints fan since I was 12 in 1962. Exiled to North Wales for the last 20 years. A little early to be worrying :-) This time last week I was seriously contemplating who on earth I would support in the future so I am just patheticaly greatful that I never had to finalise that decision. Reality is this year that we do start -10 in a tricky division with (as yet) no manager and no 'team' in the true sense of that word. We will need at least 60 points (inc the -10) to survive, 75ish for mid table and around 100 to make the playoffs. This season, with who ever in charge and regardless of money in the bank, we should all see it as a success if we don't go down. I for one will feel very proud if we don't, it's a BIG ask! I hope the new owners take a sensible, sustainable long term view and don't just buy names in an attempt to please us fickle fans and boost things. I think feasible targets would be; 09/10 survive in L1 10/11 get to the play offs having built the club a lot in the meantime. 11/12 or 12/13 CCC building and developing more. 2014 or 15 back in the Prem and stay there in time for my 65th in 2015 :-) For adventure and excitement we can have some good cup runs like we used to do. The single biggest change that the new owners could make to Saints is that our superb academy is no longer breeding talent for sale, it's breeding talent for the 1st team. Find us a Moyes(esque) young manager, give him a temptation proof contract I say :-) Welcome and thanks for a sensible first post - don't be tempted to be dragged down into the depths of name calling that some on here seem to thrive on. I agree with pretty much all you set-out. My issue is that I am feeling nervous about the amount of time left to sort out a squad that appears to have a mental mind-set to lose and in a complete spin regarding tactics. This squad as it stands will fail miserably in L1 regardless of manager - getting a great manager in place has to take place to enable repair of the squad. Yes, it would be lovely to sit back and relax about this, but we've been dealt a really bad hand by Pinnacles three weeks of messing about and time is not on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyg1950 Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Thanks for the welcome :-) @Saint Fan Cam :- Don't worry, I'm no 'forum virgin' and I have my can of Troll Spray and my flame proof trousers always at hand :-) I completely agree with your concerns about time and the squad mind set, I get cold sweats just thinking about the Saturdays to come this season, you gotta be in it to win it, and at least we are in it ! My son forwarded me an email from a Leeds supporter a while ago warning us (in a positive way) of the season ahead. It may have been posted here, if not I'll put it up - it rang very true. Time isn't on our side for a comfortable season, but it is, in terms of building a solid club for a new era. We absolutely have been damaged by recent events and those of the last few years, but I believe that enough will be achieved this season to make it one of consolidation, albeit with a fair few heart stoppers along the way. BUT I don't want a re-run of the past. I don't EVER want to see our club go through (I lost count) x many managers in X years again, losing our best players every year. I would rather risk another drop to get it right than grab the first easily available short term fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Thanks for the welcome :-) @Saint Fan Cam :- Don't worry, I'm no 'forum virgin' and I have my can of Troll Spray and my flame proof trousers always at hand :-) I completely agree with your concerns about time and the squad mind set, I get cold sweats just thinking about the Saturdays to come this season, you gotta be in it to win it, and at least we are in it ! My son forwarded me an email from a Leeds supporter a while ago warning us (in a positive way) of the season ahead. It may have been posted here, if not I'll put it up - it rang very true. Time isn't on our side for a comfortable season, but it is, in terms of building a solid club for a new era. We absolutely have been damaged by recent events and those of the last few years, but I believe that enough will be achieved this season to make it one of consolidation, albeit with a fair few heart stoppers along the way. BUT I don't want a re-run of the past. I don't EVER want to see our club go through (I lost count) x many managers in X years again, losing our best players every year. I would rather risk another drop to get it right than grab the first easily available short term fix! Yes - agree with not wanting to ruin the future for a quick fix. I guess somewhere we're all hoping there is a happy medium, because by the same token I don't want to sit through another season of dire performances from a team who seem not to know what they're doing. The first test of the new regime will be to improve in this regard as quickly as possible - I pay my ST money upfront on the promise of GOOD football and a reasonable relative level of success that that brings. If it's not delivered, then the club does not deserve our support in the broadest sense, regardless of who the owner is. There are posters on here who are actually expecting a play-off place - that's perhaps unrealistic. What IS realistic is that this squad in its current guise is capable of even worse results in L1 than last season which for me is a big concern. (I bet that's the gist of the Leeds fans comments that you mention?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 I am as pleased as the next man that we find ourselves with a new owner who appears to want the best for the club...etc. etc. I've bought my ST and I'm looking forward to supporting ML, the new manager and the team. However, am I the only one starting to get a little concerned about the manner in which pre-season is now progressing? I do not feel I am over-reacting - just starting to feel a bit...well, uneasy. Firstly, not making a swift managerial appointment tends to suggest that a clear candidate was not known beforehand. Not a problem in essence I know, however I would have hoped the incoming regime had enough time to target and secure their man before now. Secondly and most importantly, I am not getting a good feeling about the squad as it stands. Without a manager being appointed, the current batch of players being trooped out are MILES from being good enough to survive L1, let alone challenge for a play-off place. IMO major surgery on the team and its tactics will be vital to any form of success this coming season. Time is running out to sort this squad out and get a cohesive 1st team prepared for the season ahead - to rid the current players of the losing mentality from last season - to drill them in the new managers ideas - to prepare for what will be a very demanding season again. There are only so many pre-season warm-up friendlies to do this work and I repeat, time is running out. Fingers crossed. :cool: I'd agree with you on most of those points, BUT we are living with F5 every day and it only seems like a long time, and is scarcely two weeks since ML came in with his bid. Everyone agrees that we should get the RIGHT MAN, and he will surely know who he wants to buy when he comes for his interview. To start buying in / loaning players that MW might have had, or Stuart Henderson thinks are OK is not the way to do it. These aren't real games, they are training exercises. Pre season kickabouts to help players get their fitness back after a holiday. " The manager " will buy in his choices (and may have talked with people already)....type - " Look **** you've played for me before at ***** and know what I want, if I get the post ..YCDAJFMe " -----or something of the sort. Expect the appointment within a week and 3-4 new signings before season starts. We still have August to fine tune the squad and get in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 14 July, 2009 Share Posted 14 July, 2009 Great posts, lots of sense but I want to see us reigning majestically over this league. I want us to go for the throat in every game and develop a "can do" attitude more than anything else. I sincerely believe that a manager (hopefully WGS) is already lined up and there is time available to do what's needed. The armada's not here yet. As we say on the IoM, 'traa de looar' - Time enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Just want to get the manager in and a few players then I will be happy as it will take sometime for the team to be confident with each other. But the Pinnacle fiasco has not helped Happy Now things are going to improve Administration turned out OK for the fans but probably not for Creditors and Shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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