We need to spend some money

[Rebel]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

[S-Clarke]

We are the first ever club to spend £1m on a single player in league 1 - if that isn't a signal of intent then i don't know what is.

 

Jack Cork, Baird and Davies will not come here. They are lower half prem/top half champinship players - they will not come here. end of.

 

Are you also seriously suggesting we replace Davis? Come on....that reduces any credibility this thread had in the first place.

 

No one's squad is perfect....this league is utter utter ****e and the majority of players in our squad would WALK (yes WALK) into most teams in this division. We're not planning for an assault on the championship yet you know...

 

We do not need this mass overhaul that people are saying...and why spend £5m? That's just wasting money at the moment.

 

Play offs this season are a possibility with this squad and a couple of additions....and don't even consider relegation to league 2, i'd happily bet my job and my house on that fact - we will be in this league next season (or higher if the luck is with us)

Edited 17 August, 2009 by S-Clarke

[mynameisthehulk]

Kelvin is the best keeper in the league, anyone suggesting he is replaced has no clue.

[kpturner]

We are the first ever club to spend £1m on a single player in league 1.

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

[S-Clarke]

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

 

oh well, im sure i heard somewhere it was the most ever spent? maybe in ''Coca coca league 1'' years.

 

but still....it's a stand out amount at this level.

[Genk]

You cannot expect to have a complete squad overnight, it takes time to bring the right faces in. It has been pointed out on many occassions on this forum and will be again, the fact that we are in League 1 at the moment and cannot attract the quality of players which many people are demanding on here. Why would Craddock come here when he is starting for Wolves in the Premiership????.

 

Davis is easily the best keeper in this league and a very very good Championship keeper, so I feel its unfair to be critical of him especially having saved two penalties in two games so far.

 

I agree that we need someone to boss the centre of midfield and more importantly a big centre half but bringing 7 players just isn't possible before the window shuts. We need the right players and don't want to panic buy. Another point is we missed most of pre-season saving the club from disappearing altogether, so in that respect we missed out on geling a team together bringing in quality players on frees. These things take time, please be patient, in the long run this club is in a very very good position.

[proevosaints]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

There are so many "wrongs" in your post its laughable, and it makes me question if you have taken note of football or saints recently...

The foxes went up last year easily and most of their players were older or young loans. While i agree people like thomson arent ready, people like spiderman and lallana are more than ready.

Secondly kelvin has single handedly kept us competitive recently and his playing the ball out is more accurate than most keepers.

The defenders you describe sound like ferdinand and vidic, good luck getting someone like that.

Spending huge sums of money isnt the answer, it ruins clubs look at pompey atm we need loan signings and ambitious youngsters/seasoned pros but with youngsters they hardly wanna come to a club on minus 9 which face a battle nor will people in their twilight.

We wont get baird, hes premiership, nor cork who didnt count us good enough when championship.

Liebherr does not want to spank his money all over the place, if he wanted to do that he wouldve brought a prem team, like pompey that with a bit of selling could attract a world manager and world class players as they are in the premiership (think man city).

He's doing it sensibly so we're self sufficient.

[kpturner]

Why would Craddock come here when he is starting for Wolves in the Premiership????.

Errmm, wrong Craddock I believe.

[Genk]

Errmm, wrong Craddock I believe.

 

Yea i know, sorry just realised after posting that.

[oxfordshire_saint]

It's all good and well having the money to spend, but I think the crux of the matter is actually convincing decent players to drop down to League One for what, in all reality, will be at least a 2 season spell in this division.

[sentry]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

Brilliant, this cheered me up. lovd it. S many funny points, a few ok, but mainly funny.

[Whitey Grandad]

No sh*t Sherlock.

[Snowballs2]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

You guys get me we nearly lost our club now you moan for money, get real his money went in saving us, the rest will have to wait. YOU could always make a contribution though, all you whingers show gratitude at still having a club.

[Deanovski]

i wanted to start this thread but didnt wanna be crucified,as i dont care throw some money about youll get players.

The rumors of us paying lambert in installments and the fact and AP being worried about not getting many more in concerns me, although the deal part just couldve been how it was structured.

[saintsmike25]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

This has to be the biggest load of rubbish on this forum since the takeover.

This just isn't going to happen, one bad game and then the whole squad needs changing, Pardews record as it stands is W 1 D 1 L 1 It's about 46 odd games not just the one. Pardew will bring in more players the fact we spent 1 million on Lambert is a huge statement of intent, this season ISN'T about promotion it's about consolidating and building a team. Rather than being in a position where our good players constantly get sold and the team has no rhythm because of players constantly leaving if a GOOD squad takes two seasons to build so be it.

Fans like yourself need to be patient, you can't expect a complete squad overhaul it's pretty much a fact the only player thats getting critised at the moment is Paul Wotton, yes we need a centre back as well but hopefully Jaidi will come.. he played in a friendly for Tunisia which should help his work permit application.

 

And do you really think good wingers are easy to find? I think Mills will be a terrific winger and hopefully him and Harding should great a formidable partnership on the left.

 

Yes we need a right winger but if Pardew can mould and work on Lloyd James wing play, he could have one of the best crossers in the team on the right.

 

This team still needs to come together given how many players left and some have been bought in the first 5 games are about gelling. Thankfully with Lambert there are always goals in the side which should help us along the way.

[thefuriousb]

i wanted to start this thread but didnt wanna be crucified,as i dont care throw some money about youll get players.

The rumors of us paying lambert in installments and the fact and AP being worried about not getting many more in concerns me, although the deal part just couldve been how it was structured.

 

Interesting, cos I heard Lambert was paid for with gold - though am not sure of its source ;-)

 

The last time I knew, transfer fees were paid: x amount now; a further payment in 6 months; then, the final payment on the anniversary of the signing.

 

Cash in a brown bag is not how it works

[John B]

I just feel that Skacel McGoldrick Surman BWP Euell Saegis have left and have not all been replaced

[The Godfather]

We are the first ever club to spend £1m on a single player in league 1 - if that isn't a signal of intent then i don't know what is.

 

Jack Cork, Baird and Davies will not come here. They are lower half prem/top half champinship players - they will not come here. end of.

 

Are you also seriously suggesting we replace Davis? Come on....that reduces any credibility this thread had in the first place.

 

No one's squad is perfect....this league is utter utter ****e and the majority of players in our squad would WALK (yes WALK) into most teams in this division. We're not planning for an assault on the championship yet you know...

 

We do not need this mass overhaul that people are saying...and why spend £5m? That's just wasting money at the moment.

 

Play offs this season are a possibility with this squad and a couple of additions....and don't even consider relegation to league 2, i'd happily bet my job and my house on that fact - we will be in this league next season (or higher if the luck is with us)

 

We are not the first ever club in league one to spend a million pound on a single player, Wigan were the last before us.

[farawaysaint]

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

 

We are the 6th ever team to spend 1 million doesn't have the same zing.

[The Godfather]

I just feel that Skacel McGoldrick Surman BWP Euell Saegis have left and have not all been replaced

 

Skacel has been replaced by Dan Harding as a left-back. We know AP is after a centre-half, we don't need to replace Euell and we do need a pacy striker to complement Lambert & Paterson.

 

Our lack of width is worrying, I'd like to see Jake thomson given a go on the right side until a decent wide player is signed.

[Saint Fen]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

This post is brilliant so many stupid points, funniest post I've seen for a while!

 

This league is poor we don't need to spend £5m, we are the first club to spend over £1m on a player in this league for 7 years.

 

The bit on needing a new keeper is the icing on the cake, we have 4 keepers. And without doubt the best keeper in the league, and West Ham offered him a contract.

 

God a hope I never have to sit next to you because you probably moan and most be so depressed!

[Thedelldays]

I still think that we have a good enough squad right now.

 

Just wait till After sat and we have got at least 4 points from the next 2 games. I would like to think 6 points. Then all will ne different on here

[thorpie the sinner]

I still think that we have a good enough squad right now.

 

Just wait till After sat and we have got at least 4 points from the next 2 games. I would like to think 6 points. Then all will ne different on here

 

I agree with maybe a brick CB and a pacy winger thrown in!! These players just need to be finally coached properly and to develop a positive mindset!

[dubai_phil]

What a load of moaning drivel

 

I would just like to remind some on here of what happened the LAST time we went on a massive spending spree when we "WENT WILDE"

 

What was it? something like 7million?

 

And what did we get? Take your pick from amongst others...

 

Euell, Skacel, Saga, Rasiak, Thomas....

 

7 mil for the players and in their time with us about the same in wages.

 

And WHERE exactly did we end up?

 

 

It is NOTHING to do with HOW MUCH MONEY you spend.

 

It is ALL about HOW you spend it and that ever so slightly important point WHETHER they fit into the TEAM.

 

Anybody wanting to spend money in the CURRENT economic environment on POTENTIAL is just nuts.

 

We have a fookin SQUAD full of POTENTIAL.

 

We need the RIGHT players who can give a REGULAR, EXPERIENCED and PROFESSIONAL contribution to the team in around 75% or more of our games.

 

Did ANY single on of those "BIG MONEY SIGNINGS" ever perform regularly?

 

Again, I posted on here at the time of the takeover about the Swiss business mentality, it will be slow methodical and successful. We will NOT be back in the PL for at least 3 years even IF life were a copy of CM09.

 

Didn't ANYONE else notice the somewhat IMPORTANT comment that our SCOUTING NETWORK was disintegrated. Just WHO has been going out and LOOKING at players and for HOW LONG?

 

Oh and another point. Just HOW many emails and phone calls do you think that AP is getting EVERY day from Agents?

And just when will he get around to viewing the You-Tube clips?

It might have escaped some people's attention that he ALSO has to run training, get the players FIT AND teach the kids how to PLAY football after the last lot of idiots running the place like a Holiday Camp.

 

1) They are searching for new players

2) They have said the squad isn't good enough

3) STFU with the moaning and FFS give them a chance to actually FIND the TIME to WATCH the players we want to sign TO SEE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY ANY GOOD

 

If you are SO certain that you have found a WONDERKID/CL quality player then send your scouting report to the club. How much is a first class stamp these days? Think the address is on the web site. I guess you know how to READ the internet?

[skintsaint]

well said sir

[COMEONYOUREDS]

Dream on...

[shurlock]

Trying to be constructive, taking a look at Freddie Eastwood is perhaps the only chunk of insight you can fish out of this diarrhea of nonsense and panic.

[JustMike]

I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years!

 

I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year

 

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated!

 

the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful

 

thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak

 

we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28

 

we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas)

 

only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters.

 

we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter

 

we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well

 

we need a midfield general

 

we need a left winger and right winger

 

and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence

 

I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position

 

we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't!

 

it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays!

 

a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well

 

the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again

 

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Craddock and Bryson would be a start!

 

Hackett for the right wing perhaps

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake!

 

Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs!

 

and thats the point in which i stopped reading your rant.!!!

[thorpie the sinner]

What a load of moaning drivel

 

I would just like to remind some on here of what happened the LAST time we went on a massive spending spree when we "WENT WILDE"

 

What was it? something like 7million?

 

And what did we get? Take your pick from amongst others...

 

Euell, Skacel, Saga, Rasiak, Thomas....

 

7 mil for the players and in their time with us about the same in wages.

 

And WHERE exactly did we end up?

 

 

It is NOTHING to do with HOW MUCH MONEY you spend.

 

It is ALL about HOW you spend it and that ever so slightly important point WHETHER they fit into the TEAM.

 

Anybody wanting to spend money in the CURRENT economic environment on POTENTIAL is just nuts.

 

We have a fookin SQUAD full of POTENTIAL.

 

We need the RIGHT players who can give a REGULAR, EXPERIENCED and PROFESSIONAL contribution to the team in around 75% or more of our games.

 

Did ANY single on of those "BIG MONEY SIGNINGS" ever perform regularly?

 

Again, I posted on here at the time of the takeover about the Swiss business mentality, it will be slow methodical and successful. We will NOT be back in the PL for at least 3 years even IF life were a copy of CM09.

 

Didn't ANYONE else notice the somewhat IMPORTANT comment that our SCOUTING NETWORK was disintegrated. Just WHO has been going out and LOOKING at players and for HOW LONG?

 

Oh and another point. Just HOW many emails and phone calls do you think that AP is getting EVERY day from Agents?

And just when will he get around to viewing the You-Tube clips?

It might have escaped some people's attention that he ALSO has to run training, get the players FIT AND teach the kids how to PLAY football after the last lot of idiots running the place like a Holiday Camp.

 

1) They are searching for new players

2) They have said the squad isn't good enough

3) STFU with the moaning and FFS give them a chance to actually FIND the TIME to WATCH the players we want to sign TO SEE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY ANY GOOD

 

If you are SO certain that you have found a WONDERKID/CL quality player then send your scouting report to the club. How much is a first class stamp these days? Think the address is on the web site. I guess you know how to READ the internet?

 

Ah, the voice of reason in this mad mad world!!!

[Toadhall Saint]

So in essence Rebel you want a brand new team? Is that overnight or??

[ChrisPY]

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

 

We are the 6th ever team to spend 1 million doesn't have the same zing.

 

4th ever team. That sounds a bit better...

[shurlock]

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

 

And those teams -Fulham and Wigan- went marching straight up to the Premiership or -Cardiff- are flying high in the Championship. Christ I wonder what £2m is worth in today's monopoly money. £10m? Even £1.2m in 2002 isn't far off what seemed like big money spent on Mark Draper at the time.

[derry]

Kelvin is the best keeper in the league, anyone suggesting he is replaced has no clue.

 

He is a superlative shotstopper. We don't know who is the best keeper in this league.

 

The criticisms regarding commanding his box and his lack of positive distribution is valid.

[fos1]

Why would Craddock come here when he is starting for Wolves in the Premiership????.

 

Only signed a one year contract, so perhaps he could do a job for us next year

[modern matron]

What a load of moaning drivel

 

I would just like to remind some on here of what happened the LAST time we went on a massive spending spree when we "WENT WILDE"

 

What was it? something like 7million?

 

And what did we get? Take your pick from amongst others...

 

Euell, Skacel, Saga, Rasiak, Thomas....

 

7 mil for the players and in their time with us about the same in wages.

 

And WHERE exactly did we end up?

 

 

It is NOTHING to do with HOW MUCH MONEY you spend.

 

It is ALL about HOW you spend it and that ever so slightly important point WHETHER they fit into the TEAM.

 

Anybody wanting to spend money in the CURRENT economic environment on POTENTIAL is just nuts.

 

We have a fookin SQUAD full of POTENTIAL.

 

We need the RIGHT players who can give a REGULAR, EXPERIENCED and PROFESSIONAL contribution to the team in around 75% or more of our games.

 

Did ANY single on of those "BIG MONEY SIGNINGS" ever perform regularly?

 

Again, I posted on here at the time of the takeover about the Swiss business mentality, it will be slow methodical and successful. We will NOT be back in the PL for at least 3 years even IF life were a copy of CM09.

 

Didn't ANYONE else notice the somewhat IMPORTANT comment that our SCOUTING NETWORK was disintegrated. Just WHO has been going out and LOOKING at players and for HOW LONG?

 

Oh and another point. Just HOW many emails and phone calls do you think that AP is getting EVERY day from Agents?

And just when will he get around to viewing the You-Tube clips?

It might have escaped some people's attention that he ALSO has to run training, get the players FIT AND teach the kids how to PLAY football after the last lot of idiots running the place like a Holiday Camp.

 

1) They are searching for new players

2) They have said the squad isn't good enough

3) STFU with the moaning and FFS give them a chance to actually FIND the TIME to WATCH the players we want to sign TO SEE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY ANY GOOD

 

If you are SO certain that you have found a WONDERKID/CL quality player then send your scouting report to the club. How much is a first class stamp these days? Think the address is on the web site. I guess you know how to READ the internet?

 

Look I don't agree at all with the poster, but he has the right to an opinion without you SHOUTING! The sarcasm isn't necessary is it? It's a fans forum meant for people to post an opinion whether you or I agree with it doesn't really matter.

 

As for your points frankly the clock is ticking and this slow measured approach you keep harping on about needs to show results pretty quickly. We are bottom of the table, still 10 points from safety, and by all accounts were terrible at Huddersfield. I don't see many alternatives to pick from - neither does AP I think which is worrying. I think what your post misses is that we have a very good manager with a very poor team - as he has stated.

 

As for it not being about money that makes no sense. That's how we signed Lambert. Obviously players have to fit in - to a large extent they did under Wilde/Burley. I daresay you weren't so critical when the players you listed were purchased or before the penalty shoot out at Derby were you? I realise things went tits up after that.

 

As for scouting of course we are in catch up but I would have thought Pardew, Wilkins, Murdoch and co have a pretty good idea who they want don't they? They're all supposed to know the lower leagues. I mean AP has been on about a centre half since he got here. If this is your slow methodical approach? Well I think it's too sloooow!!! We need centre backs NOW not the future.

 

Having had my moan I think the 4 signings have been first class plus resigning KD. This is a good start, but a lot more needs to be done and quickly - like before the end of this month to prevent this season becoming a struggle for survival.

[LaptopSaint]

I just feel that Skacel McGoldrick Surman BWP Euell Saegis have left and have not all been replaced

 

 

Skacel or Harding? Harding please.

 

McG or Rickie? Rickie please.

 

Surman not yet replaced but Mills back from loan looks v good.

 

BWP or Someone Else always offside? Someone Else please.

 

Euell or Mellis? Mellis please.

 

JPS not yet replaced and CSDAJFU but if we get Jaidi that'd do.

 

Not that we don't need new blood. But I'm not sure we'll miss most of what's gone.

[OldNick]

He is a superlative shotstopper. We don't know who is the best keeper in this league.

 

The criticisms regarding commanding his box and his lack of positive distribution is valid.

we've been down this road before. If KD was not only good at what he is and all the other things that you believe he is not then he would be playing CL. A PL club thought he was good enough and so we should be very grateful he stayed with us and so should stop trying to make out there are problems when there are not.Football is different nowadays, the balls are not so easy to come and take, and attakers stop you coming for it.

It is basic the reason why we look so poor at set pieces is that we havent addressed the centre back pairing for 5 years. A good pair of centre backs who atre good in the air and it is sorted.That is our basic weakness and until we grasp that nettle we will be forever moanoing about the keeper not taking crosses when really it should be our defenders sorting that. May i also point out that even Shilton and Niemi was not the best at coming for the ball.

[Glasgow_Saint]

We don’t miss what’s gone per se but we are desperately short of quality and strength and that couldn’t have been more apparent than this weekend against Huddersfield.

 

The same ‘happy clappers’ that accused us ‘ambitious’ of panicking and constantly regurgitated “we will sign more before Millwall” are still reciting the same bollix.

 

2 games in now, we are -9 points and either AP spends some more money soon or we can write off this season and hope for better action/response next season.

[OldNick]

We don’t miss what’s gone per se but we are desperately short of quality and strength and that couldn’t have been more apparent than this weekend against Huddersfield.

 

The same ‘happy clappers’ that accused us ‘ambitious’ of panicking and constantly regurgitated “we will sign more before Millwall” are still reciting the same bollix.

 

2 games in now, we are -9 points and either AP spends some more money soon or we can write off this season and hope for better action/response next season.

fair comment

[S-Clarke]

I think the main misguided comment is the fact that we need to spend £5m.

 

Huddersfield have one of the best teams at this level - and how much has it cost them?

 

they've spent just over 500k this year. - It's not about money, it's about the right management/tactics. - that will come in time once pard's learns what he has to work with.

[Scudamore]

Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe,

 

Prutton for some bite!

 

I'll not comment on the rest as others are doing a grand job of tearing you to shreds...

 

But this sort of stuff really does get my goat. Why do some people show such a lack of imagination when it comes to potential signings? Why do we need to resign ex players? Has it got something to do with your lack of knowledge of potential players? Almost certainly. So why not leave it to the people who do know what they're doing like AP and his scouts?

[InvictaSaint]

I think the main misguided comment is the fact that we need to spend £5m.

 

Huddersfield have one of the best teams at this level - and how much has it cost them?

 

they've spent just over 500k this year. - It's not about money, it's about the right management/tactics. - that will come in time once pard's learns what he has to work with.

 

At last some common sense; the hysteria on here is embarassing. I propose we merge S-Clarke and DUbai Phil and then maybe - just maybe - people will see why we just all need to be a little more patient.....

[John B]

Skacel or Harding? Harding please.

 

McG or Rickie? Rickie please.

 

Surman not yet replaced but Mills back from loan looks v good.

 

BWP or Someone Else always offside? Someone Else please.

 

Euell or Mellis? Mellis please.

 

JPS not yet replaced and CSDAJFU but if we get Jaidi that'd do.

 

Not that we don't need new blood. But I'm not sure we'll miss most of what's gone.

 

I agree with your sentiments I was just suggesting that we have lost six or so from the squad and need to replace them thats all

[LaptopSaint]

At last some common sense; the hysteria on here is embarassing. I propose we merge S-Clarke and DUbai Phil and then maybe - just maybe - people will see why we just all need to be a little more patient.....

 

Exactly. Between early May and early July, while all our opponents were busy rebuilding, it probably didn't even cross AP's mind to have a little think about what players he might want to buy for a third division team. That's two months folks. Give the man some time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And blame Pinnacle.

 

OK, let's not go there.

[londonsaint1604]

and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment

 

Based on 2 games - a draw against a good Millwall side that made play-offs last season and an away defeat against a good Huddersfield side?

 

You're talking ******** mate, there's 44 games still to play it's far too early to say where we'll finish this season.

[dubai_phil]

Look I don't agree at all with the poster, but he has the right to an opinion without you SHOUTING! The sarcasm isn't necessary is it? It's a fans forum meant for people to post an opinion whether you or I agree with it doesn't really matter.

 

As for your points frankly the clock is ticking and this slow measured approach you keep harping on about needs to show results pretty quickly. We are bottom of the table, still 10 points from safety, and by all accounts were terrible at Huddersfield. I don't see many alternatives to pick from - neither does AP I think which is worrying. I think what your post misses is that we have a very good manager with a very poor team - as he has stated.

 

As for it not being about money that makes no sense. That's how we signed Lambert. Obviously players have to fit in - to a large extent they did under Wilde/Burley. I daresay you weren't so critical when the players you listed were purchased or before the penalty shoot out at Derby were you? I realise things went tits up after that.

 

As for scouting of course we are in catch up but I would have thought Pardew, Wilkins, Murdoch and co have a pretty good idea who they want don't they? They're all supposed to know the lower leagues. I mean AP has been on about a centre half since he got here. If this is your slow methodical approach? Well I think it's too sloooow!!! We need centre backs NOW not the future.

 

Having had my moan I think the 4 signings have been first class plus resigning KD. This is a good start, but a lot more needs to be done and quickly - like before the end of this month to prevent this season becoming a struggle for survival.

 

 

MM.

 

It has been the nature of Saints fans to be negative since I first went when they moaned at Terry Paine. Opinions are fine, but if someone wants to post a new thread on basically the same subject as around 20 others then they open themselves up for having those opinions criticised based on analysis not on emotions.

 

We had a high quality CB at the club, training with the players less than 7 days ago. We have opinions on why that deal fell through but no facts.

 

It has been less than a week since we found there was a problem in signing him. How long do people THINK that it will take to start discussions with "the second choice"?

 

My points that I use as the basis for my opinions are

1) The methodology of Swiss Business of which I have many years experience

2) The physical RESOURCES to actually do the work needed for scouting which I can see clearly by reading what is being said

 

I KNOW we need new players in, the CLUB know they need new players in.

The ISSUE I have is HOW? I use the CB example

 

How many CB's are available now? How many deals can be done in 5 days? Let us assume for a moment that AP had a couple of players in mind at CB. One appears to have fallen through.

 

In the past week, AP & DW have had to prepare the team for two (now 3) football matches. We KNOW from the Pichards training thread that there are serious problems with the tactical awareness of the squad and AP himself said they have been doing extra training on Sunday.

 

AP has complained that he had nobody available to go and watch Swindon to help prepare tactically.

 

And yet the same posters demanding 7 or 8 players are also all demanding that we don't recruit more "behind the scenes" experts to help with the work load.

 

NC is having to spend time on the phone trying to help get players in - he said so himself, yet the same people up in arms about getting players in also were up in arms about Chairmen being involved in transfers!

 

My issue is simple.

Reality.

We are not as bad as Tranmere where the management have to drive the players around, but we have MANY areas besides the first team where we have no experience, no skills and no resources. it ALL needs to have money spent.

 

BUT we SPENT huge sums of money less in the past 3/4 years and it bought us a load of complete DROSS. YES we need to spend money but it needs to be spent on players who fit into the team, NOT on players who look good in a computer game.

 

FWIW my opinion is that the squad is 4 players short of a full load, however because of the reality of the situation as well as the need to build a TEAM, I honestly expect only two players to be signed now before the end of the window, but then once we have had TIME to find the players that will fit in we will be equally active in January.

 

For those moaning, that will mean FIVE new players signed, as well as the likes of Mills, Rasiak and possibly Holmes returing to the squad, that is 8 players who were not around for most of last season.

 

I HOPE we can get up to the playoffs this season, I EXPECT to have a struggle in the early stages of the season and to finish above mid-table.

 

It ISN'T about the money, it is about having enough people in the management operation to know how to spend it WISELY.

[Hopkins]

The OP is a berk. Nobody is going to spend £5m in this league. A serious suggestion of signing Baird, Davies and Cork. You deluded idiot. And then to believe we need to replace Kelvin....Congrats on topping off the most ridicolous post with another absurd statement.

 

Do we really need another thread on us needing new players? We all know we need it and it will happen.

[Greenridge]

Not true I am afraid:

 

2002. Nathan Ellington. Bristol Rovers to Wigan. £1.2m

2001. Peter Thorne. Stoke to Cardiff. £1.7m

2001. Graham Kavanah. Stoke to Cardiff. £1m

1998. Barry Hayles. Bristol Rovers to Fulham. £2m

1997. Chris Coleman. Blackburn to Fulham. £2m

 

(according to the Echo) :cool:

 

Blackburn were in the Premiership in '97!

[mattyd]

I think most fans think we need a couple of players. A new centre back and a ball winner in midfield so we can improve the service to the forwards. If any striker leaves than I hope a replacement can be sourced.

 

People need to understand that it will take a year or more to assemble the team. I wonder how many players have turned us down because of our league position already?

[The9]

And those teams -Fulham and Wigan- went marching straight up to the Premiership or -Cardiff- are flying high in the Championship. Christ I wonder what £2m is worth in today's monopoly money. £10m? Even £1.2m in 2002 isn't far off what seemed like big money spent on Mark Draper at the time.

 

Erm, actually, 1998-2002 was a time of massively overinflated transfer fees. As for Cardiff's current "flying high in the Championship", I doubt it has much to do with them signing two players 8 years ago who have both long left the club.

 

@Greenridge, yes, Blackburn were, but Fulham were in the third tier.