david in sweden Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 well I know that Kelvin Davis is team captain, but (as I recall ) Paul Wotton was one-time captain at Plymouth before moving here. Murty was captain at Reading for some years and Dean Hammond (now former capt.) from Colchester..........surely all this experience must be put to some good use. ....or will it be too many chiefs (captains)... and not enough indians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Too many captains? We wish. We haven't had a proper one since CMFG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The only trouble with Wotton is he's a crap player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 All these Captains and we are still sinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 All these Captains and we are still sinking. beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Captains also lead by example and a few aren't doing that. Obvious exception is Kelvin but I'm not a massive fan of goalkeeper captains - seem too removed from the action to influence and encourage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Captains also lead by example and a few aren't doing that. Obvious exception is Kelvin but I'm not a massive fan of goalkeeper captains - seem too removed from the action to influence and encourage. Exactly. I stated this yesterday but someone thought this was the least of our problems. Kelvin is a leader but he's not in a position to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Captains also lead by example and a few aren't doing that. Obvious exception is Kelvin but I'm not a massive fan of goalkeeper captains - seem too removed from the action to influence and encourage. A few on the coach back from Swindon last night agree with that, he's a great goalkeeper, but can't influence the game from being in goal. Perhaps Murty would be a better option for captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 First thing to do is change the team captain to an outfield player. KD should however remain as Club Captain. In the modern game it is not acceotable to have a GK as team captain. the team captain must be involved in on pitch discussions with the Ref. Last night it was clear to me that Thomas was fulfilling this role, trouble is he is too hot-headed and was coming close to being sent-off. Hopefully Hammond is being brought in to fulfil this important role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruddick Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The only trouble with Wotton is he's a crap player. Would we say only?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised if Hammond isn't captain before too long, because they are the most recent of those above to have been captain, he also has experience of being captain in this league. I don't like keeper captains for the same reason everyone else has said, they are too far removed, so how are they meant to shout at the strikers except for when we are defending a set piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 This is one of the critical weaknesses and it's killing us. Too many captains? We wish. We haven't had a proper one since CMFG. Bang on. ... I'm not a massive fan of goalkeeper captains - seem too removed from the action to influence and encourage. Also bang on - and I say that as a former keeper. You have enough on your mind reading the play from a keeper's perspective, without having to try to get messages to players who can be fifty yards away. If we're not careful we'll screw KD up by placing far too much on his shoulders. I remember Bally demanding the best from those around him and giving McCalliog sh*t when he decided to take one of his frequent breaks from the action. When we lose our shape and positional discipline, or when players go AWOL, the captain is the guy who spots it and gets everyone back on track. Lallana is a great example of someone who needs that influence because he's not smart enough to figure it out for himself. Our Top Three needs are 1) a dominant central defender (the start of our demise was when we lost ours in the Fratton Park warm up all those years ago - and never replaced him), 2) a reliable Link Midfielder (the pivot for so very much), and 3) a forceful Captain. I really hope Hammond can address 2) and 3) but it's asking a lot of a new guy in the dressing room. I don't think we have as many problems as some are saying, and I think that addressing those three needs will make us a much better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eklund86 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 A few on the coach back from Swindon last night agree with that, he's a great goalkeeper, but can't influence the game from being in goal. Perhaps Murty would be a better option for captain. Personally I think you captain has to be in central midfield even at right back it's not easy to communicate with half the players on the pitch. Also think that you need a vocal expereinced central defender who organises the back line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 All these Captains and we are still sinking. And the band played on, or should I say and the Northam sang on. KD club captain, another team captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I've never been happy having a keeper as a captain. You need your captain to be mobile - if an incident happens near the opposition corner flag, a keeper captain is beyond useless. Now that's not to say Kelvin is. I'm sure he does his job, as a man with his experience would, but as it stands he is having to deal with enough as it is already. Now, with Hammond on board, I reckon we have a player who can potentially oust Kelvin from the captaincy. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 well I know that Kelvin Davis is team captain, but (as I recall ) Paul Wotton was one-time captain at Plymouth before moving here. Murty was captain at Reading for some years and Dean Hammond (now former capt.) from Colchester..........surely all this experience must be put to some good use. ....or will it be too many chiefs (captains)... and not enough indians! Ive been saying this too! Also was Thomas captain at Burnley and Perry captain at Luton? That makes 6!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 We need an outfield player who can have a both a quick word & a grown up conversation with the ref without getting in trouble, KD can only talk to ref when he is defending , also we need a clever kicker a player who knows in what area of the pitch that a get your own back foul can be committed ( heard many times when Doddsey 1st signed someone fouled him so Jimmy Case decided that the ref hadn't dealt with it so Case did firmly without getting in trouble ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 My hope is that Hammond is good enough to be team captain with KD club captain. An ideal combination IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 well I know that Kelvin Davis is team captain, but (as I recall ) Paul Wotton was one-time captain at Plymouth before moving here. Murty was captain at Reading for some years and Dean Hammond (now former capt.) from Colchester..........surely all this experience must be put to some good use. ....or will it be too many chiefs (captains)... and not enough indians! You can never have enough leaders. Leaders bring desire for success. I have no worries... loving how the team is being rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 beat me to it Beat me too it as well. Wonder why all those other teams are off loading their skips? Full of rubbish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Beat me too it as well. Wonder why all those other teams are off loading their skips? Full of rubbish? Money talks! I had a look on the Colchester website last night partly due to our interest in Hammond but mainly to find out why, after a great start to the season, they had a caretaker manager at the game last night. I noticed a piece by the Chairman regarding Hammond he basically said that the deal from Southampton was too good to ignore and the money they were getting could possibly buy a couple of players to replace him. With regard to Lambert when was the last time a 3rd division side lashed out over £1m on a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Get the old warhorse..Birds Eye, in..Get a good crew around him and we will sail away with this league....I am sure, TDD has served under this Captain and will vouch for his leadership skills..especially with young hungry lads. Previous experience at Portsmouth and Plymouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2009 (edited) Captains also lead by example and a few aren't doing that. Obvious exception is Kelvin but I'm not a massive fan of goalkeeper captains - seem too removed from the action to influence and encourage. .....well I don't know .. ..Peter Shilton always seemed to manage OK, but your point is well taken ..we should have an outfielder shouting the odds. Edited 20 August, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2009 Beat me too it as well. Wonder why all those other teams are off loading their skips? Full of rubbish? NO, they're very short of money, and don't have a Swiss billionaire as owner ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 August, 2009 Share Posted 21 August, 2009 Has to be a midfielder IMHO. Despite all his other strengths, Shearer was never a good captain (again IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 August, 2009 Share Posted 21 August, 2009 All these Captains and we are still sinking. Reminded me of this beauty.... Meanwhile, I think the nature of the players that AP has signed is fantastic, for too long now we have lacked any real leadership on the pitch. Who gets the actual armband is probably less important than the fact that we will finally have players on the pitch with a bit more nous about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 August, 2009 Share Posted 21 August, 2009 The only trouble with Wotton is he's a crap player. A neat and succinct summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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