OldNick Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why he is given hero status I really dont know. They sing his name and what does he do? He gave up closinbg the Brentford player on the run on goal to cross. He wants away and it is fairly obvious he couldnt care a jot. Stop singing his name and make him earn the adulation.He then perhaps may do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 funny but i thought when he come on he did get in amongst the Brentford back 4, and at least we showed a bit more pressure in there box, where as i thought Patterson was woeful. Opinions!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why he is given hero status I really dont know. They sing his name and what does he do? He gave up closinbg the Brentford player on the run on goal to cross. He wants away and it is fairly obvious he couldnt care a jot. Stop singing his name and make him earn the adulation.He then perhaps may do something. OK, you tell me who is the better player, Saganowski or Patterson? Who has a shocking performance in the first half? Football is about ability and results. If there is any justice for the Saints, Saganowski should be on the pitch. That is why I am singing his name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 OK, you tell me who is the better player, Saganowski or Patterson? Who has a shocking performance in the first half? Football is about ability and results. If there is any justice for the Saints, Saganowski should be on the pitch. That is why I am singing his name! Agree well looked far more of a threat with sagga I think the singing for him was to try and spur him on to score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 whilst he is the better striker and I'm fully behind singing his name and supporting him, it would seem that the only way to spur him on is to make him play for a contract. That's when we saw his best form for us. Since he signed on, he's seems to have got a little too comfortable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Sagga's an international and was a Chmpions league player, Matt Pat is a young kid just starting his career. As poor as Paterson was, I was more disapointed with Saga. The sooner him and GR p off and find another club, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Sagga's an international and was a Chmpions league player, Matt Pat is a young kid just starting his career. As poor as Paterson was, I was more disapointed with Saga. The sooner him and GR p off and find another club, the better. So how well a player performs is irrelevant, as long as they haven't played better previously in their career? I've only been to half our league games this season, but it strikes me our problem is a shocking lack of creativity, width and pace in midfield. Quite how getting rid of two strikers is going to solve that problem I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 You maybe happy to see 2 internationls stroll round, not interested and not wanting to play for the Club, but I aint. This is League 1 FFS, if Rasiak and Saga can't get in our side, either Pards is an idiot, or their attitude day in and day out stinks. I know which one I think it is............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Duckhunter I never saw sagga stroll around today he did the exact opposite on fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Duckhunter I never saw sagga stroll around today he did the exact opposite on fact I am of course reluctant to agree with TDD in this week of all weeks but I thought Saga injected urgency and nous - two aspects very much missing from Paterson's game. Although I can understand the antagonism towards the two Polish forwards the truth is they both offer more options than Paterson and, should they leave without adequate replacements, than poor old Lambert is going to have a cold lonely winter. Saga could still do a good job for us this year alongside Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdownunder Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 To many people come on here rubbishing our players for my liking, so singing Saga`s name in the hope he will respond is all positive. (Keep the support up everyone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarvo1966 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I am of course reluctant to agree with TDD in this week of all weeks but I thought Saga injected urgency and nous - two aspects very much missing from Paterson's game. Although I can understand the antagonism towards the two Polish forwards the truth is they both offer more options than Paterson and, should they leave without adequate replacements, than poor old Lambert is going to have a cold lonely winter. Saga could still do a good job for us this year alongside Lambert. Sorry dont agree with you. From the back of the Northam, Saga looked slow & was poor in the air. We urgently need an injection of pace up front & out wide which has been lacking for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I gave Saga grief after the millwall game but I thought he did OK today and i certainly wouldn't accuse him of not putting in the effort. Patterson likewise wasn't that bad either but his lack of experience shows. I thought lambert won just about everything in the air though and we could do with someone who can read his flicks and knock downs - that may come from having a settled front line or a new player with a bit of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 You maybe happy to see 2 internationls stroll round, not interested and not wanting to play for the Club, but I aint. This is League 1 FFS, if Rasiak and Saga can't get in our side, either Pards is an idiot, or their attitude day in and day out stinks. I know which one I think it is............. Players I've seen give less of a shìt about Saints in 2 games this season: Paul "Ah fùck it, I'll just hoof it anywhere" Wotton against Millwall Lloyd James agaist Millawall Adam Lallana against Millwall Lloyd James against Swindon Adam Lallana against Swindon Morgan Schneiderlin against Swindon Paul Wotton against Swindon The other CM against Swindon. He was that bad I honestly can't remember who it was. Oliver Lancashire against Swindon In the interests of fair play, we have to get rid of all of them before we get rid of Saga and Rasiak. Tempting though that is, it's probably easier to get a couple of decent wingers and see if maybe we can score a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Do you mean Swindon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Players I've seen give less of a shìt about Saints in 2 games this season: Paul "Ah fùck it, I'll just hoof it anywhere" Wotton against Millwall Lloyd James agaist Millawall Adam Lallana against Millwall Lloyd James against Swansea Adam Lallana against Swansea Morgan Schneiderlin against Swansea Paul Wotton against Swansea The other CM against Swansea. He was that bad I honestly can't remember who it was. Oliver Lancashire against Swansea In the interests of fair play, we have to get rid of all of them before we get rid of Saga and Rasiak. Tempting though that is, it's probably easier to get a couple of decent wingers and see if maybe we can score a few. **** me! That Swansea game was a shocker - I'd forgotten all about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought saga was really good and wish he had played from the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Do you mean Swindon? Maybe. 8-[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I honestly don't know what to make of Saga and Rasiak. On their day, you'd have an absolutely terrific League 1 strikeforce. I bet Greg in particular must wonder what the hell happened to his career - ever since he had a paddy over Surman's hat trick pen back in 06/07, he's not really done anything (anonymous at Bolton, not a regular at Watford either). And now he can't even get in a League 1 side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why he is given hero status I really dont know. They sing his name and what does he do? He gave up closinbg the Brentford player on the run on goal to cross. He wants away and it is fairly obvious he couldnt care a jot. Stop singing his name and make him earn the adulation.He then perhaps may do something. come off it, the Brentford player ran past two midfielders and then Lloyd James. A big improvement on Patterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 come off it, the Brentford player ran past two midfielders and then Lloyd James. A big improvement on Patterson. Yeah, but we're not looking for excuses to hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Saga looked much better than Paterson - the ball went up, on the ground or in the air, and it stuck. I'm not bothered if Saga goes but I am concerned if we think we can rely on Paterson who's now started 4 of our 5 games as first choice striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Saga looked much better than Paterson - the ball went up, on the ground or in the air, and it stuck. I'm not bothered if Saga goes but I am concerned if we think we can rely on Paterson who's now started 4 of our 5 games as first choice striker. Frankly I did not think that Saga looked any better than Patterson - he was merely different. I think that AP made the change because Lambert and Patterson were too similar in what they were doing and Saga would be a better option for playing off Lambert. I would not accuse Saga of a lack of effort as some seem to be implying but he was not that great either. At this level I would expect more from someone of his experience than we are currently getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why he is given hero status I really dont know. They sing his name and what does he do? He gave up closinbg the Brentford player on the run on goal to cross. He wants away and it is fairly obvious he couldnt care a jot. Stop singing his name and make him earn the adulation.He then perhaps may do something. Utter ******. We had a lot more bite and urgency up-front when he came on - he gave us an edge. Lallana, who was having a truly sh*t game up to that point, played much better when Saga came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Excellent today and worked well with Lambert I am less convinced than others that he still "wants out" I'd like him to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The reason Paterson was poor was that he is the 'wrong' player for Lambert to play with. Lambert is the target and needs a runner. Somebody who will run on to the nodded down ball with the only thought of getting it into the box. Paterson is another target man, and you could see it. He dealt with Lambert's nod down by holding it up again. A target man for the target man, if you will. No great surprise then that it looked so much better with Saga. It's his kind of game if he can be bothered. If Saga goes we have nobody who can do that job. Remember when Paterson looked good. That was when he was partnered with Saga and Stern John, who was also happy to be a foil for Paterson's nods and pushes. It's going back to basics, which is to have round shapes in round holes. Players have a natural way to play and you should not re-school them, but help them playing their role more efficiently. I once hade a natural right winger in the Tyro league side I managed. He ran the wing with pace and crossed the ball from the age of 9. As a youth player his pro club re-schooled him to right back. He was a very average right back and he never signed professional forms. He was a brilliant winger though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The reason Paterson was poor was that he is the 'wrong' player for Lambert to play with. Lambert is the target and needs a runner. Somebody who will run on to the nodded down ball with the only thought of getting it into the box. Paterson is another target man, and you could see it. He dealt with Lambert's nod down by holding it up again. A target man for the target man, if you will. No great surprise then that it looked so much better with Saga. It's his kind of game if he can be bothered. If Saga goes we have nobody who can do that job. Remember when Paterson looked good. That was when he was partnered with Saga and Stern John, who was also happy to be a foil for Paterson's nods and pushes. . Cant disagree more - Paterson isn't a target man - if he is, he's an extremely poor one with neither the presence nor the strength to do the job. He's an energetic, willing runner and so should thrive with the likes of Lambert. That he hasn't is because he isn't ready for a regular place in the first team. Stern John playing off Paterson - you're having a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 If Saga had had the three really good chances Paterson fecked up in the first half, he would have buried them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Saga did well today - shows his usefullness as a sub to change the game, never quite get's going when he starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Yep, Saga did reasonably well when he came on today. We looked a threat with him on the field on the odd occasion. He definately made it look like he wanted to be there at least, which hasn't been the case in his other performances this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 (edited) Utter ******. We had a lot more bite and urgency up-front when he came on - he gave us an edge. Lallana, who was having a truly sh*t game up to that point, played much better when Saga came on.Saga did nothing to show me he is worth the adulation and big pay packet. I dont see where he will score for fun in this league. He gav e up chaisng the player on the run, it doesnt of course ecuse the other 3 who also let him go after Saga. The man has asked to leave he wants away and still he gets more slack than players who want ot stay. Edited 23 August, 2009 by OldNick new info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Who are people comparing our players to? We are in League One. Most of them look like League One standard players. This is not the Champion's League. They can't hit passes accurately. They can't do the things we expect every time. That's as good as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Players I've seen give less of a shìt about Saints in 2 games this season: Paul "Ah fùck it, I'll just hoof it anywhere" Wotton against Millwall Lloyd James agaist Millawall Adam Lallana against Millwall Lloyd James against Swindon Adam Lallana against Swindon Morgan Schneiderlin against Swindon Paul Wotton against Swindon The other CM against Swindon. He was that bad I honestly can't remember who it was. Oliver Lancashire against Swindon In the interests of fair play, we have to get rid of all of them before we get rid of Saga and Rasiak. Tempting though that is, it's probably easier to get a couple of decent wingers and see if maybe we can score a few. I agree. Although Lallana should stay and be a bench player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Who are people comparing our players to? We are in League One. Most of them look like League One standard players. This is not the Champion's League. They can't hit passes accurately. They can't do the things we expect every time. That's as good as they are. But, most of our Lowe legacy's are actually League 2 standard. Said it all of last season too... simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 But, most of our Lowe legacy's are actually League 2 standard. Said it all of last season too... simply not good enough. Some are simply too inexperienced. Some are not good enough. Some might be. Some never will. Poor old Pards now has to try and establish which. That's the waste of changing manager every ten minutes. Finally we have to let a bloke who seems to know what he's talking about assess our squad, ditch the tripe, work with the raw and bring in the new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Saga did well, but the people slating Paterson seem to have a very short memory. He was quality V Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Saga did well, but the people slating Paterson seem to have a very short memory. He was quality V Millwall. He's the same as a lot of our youngsters. Not good enough yet! Not saying that we won't be a good player over time with more experience but he certainly shouldn't be picked ahead of Saganowski ATM. BTW he was reasonable against Millwall NOT quality!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Saga did well, but the people slating Paterson seem to have a very short memory. He was quality V Millwall. no he wasn't. He scored a tap in and did f*ck all else, people are desperate for the young players to do well, when players like him and thomson are no way near good enough and Paterson never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 no he wasn't. He scored a tap in and did f*ck all else, people are desperate for the young players to do well, when players like him and thomson are no way near good enough and Paterson never will be. Blah blah blah. You will eat your words IMO. Let's just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Blah blah blah. You will eat your words IMO. Let's just leave it at that. patterson was utter gash yesterday.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 patterson was utter gash yesterday.. I dont really understand how a current Polish International cannot get a game for a League 1 team. He may be off but surely if he goes we are not going to be left only with Patterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I dont really understand how a current Polish International cannot get a game for a League 1 team. He may be off but surely if he goes we are not going to be left only with Patterson daft really...when sagga came on her offered so much more..we actually attacked for spells rather than a hopefull ball up to lambert for patterson to chase.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 patterson was utter gash yesterday.. Saganowski was utter gash in every game he played up till yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Saganowski was utter gash in every game he played up till yesterday. so... we are talking about yesterdays game are we not.... sagga was miles better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 so... we are talking about yesterdays game are we not.... sagga was miles better... I wasn't. I said that Paterson looked quality V Millwall and stated that anyone who wrote him off because of yesterday had a short memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I wasn't. I said that Paterson looked quality V Millwall and stated that anyone who wrote him off because of yesterday had a short memory. he did not look quality... the two games i have seen, the only player to come close to quality is harding... patterson.....was OK v Millwall and I reckon most would agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Saganowski was utter gash in every game he played up till yesterday. Saganowski scored 19 goals for Saints. Patterson scored 1 goal for Saints. So Saganowski is 19 times better than Patterson. No matter how many games Patterson plays, he will not score more than Saganowski at this moment. There is a big ****ing difference between their quality. The same as no matter how well Mcgoldrick plays, he will not socre as many goals as Rasiak and Stern John in season 2006/07 and 2007/08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Why he is given hero status I really dont know. They sing his name and what does he do? He gave up closinbg the Brentford player on the run on goal to cross. He wants away and it is fairly obvious he couldnt care a jot. Stop singing his name and make him earn the adulation.He then perhaps may do something. Eh? Think that was James, Hammond and Thomson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 he did not look quality... the two games i have seen, the only player to come close to quality is harding... patterson.....was OK v Millwall and I reckon most would agree with that. IMO no they wouldn't. Patterson was outstanding against Millwall and when substituted through injury we fell to pieces. Anyone jumping on his back after one poor half needs their head tested. He's a nipper with next to no games under his belt. Handled correctly he could be a tremendus asset for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Eh? Think that was James, Hammond and Thomson. actually it was Saga but he couldn't get to him. Not sure I'd chastise him forgiing up. He couldn't reach him and he would have expected one of the others to step across the wide man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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