alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 The season will be 6 weeks old, the amount of time we are supposed to have lost due to Pinnacle. We will also have played 10 competitive games - a reasonable amount of gelling time. In my opinion, this match represents a strong indicator of how the season will pan out. Even Illingsworth is saying the excuses are wearing thin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 4-0 to the red & whites It'll all come together and Lambert will score early to settle everyone's nerves. You read it here first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 4-0 to the red & whites It'll all come together and Lambert will score early to settle everyone's nerves. You read it here first! Strange, I thought scoring early seemed to unsettle us... The real psychological barrier to overcome seems to be the second goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 4-0 to the red & whites It'll all come together and Lambert will score early to settle everyone's nerves. You read it here first! irregular betting allert - irregular betting allert!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Excuses ran out 2 weeks ago - will need some action if we fail to win this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 10 games is enough gelling time? some of the new players haven't even played a whole 90 mins yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 10 games is enough gelling time? some of the new players haven't even played a whole 90 mins yet! So what ? The team nucleus ( ca. 7 of the players) has been together for 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 time for excuses was over the last home game..after we did "so well" against birmingham.. we dont win sat, pardew and the team will need a hard look at themselves and wonder if we are going in the right direction... a draw at home to CRAP yeovil will simply be NOT GOOD ENOUGH.. even the apologists cant keep excusing the team this long.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 So what ? The team nucleus ( ca. 7 of the players) has been together for 10 games. huddersfield and MK Dons (i think) brought in loads of players..yet they did not need time to gel..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 To be honest we only need to look at our colleagues in League 2 down the road to see what can be achieved. Bournemouth have spent NO money, brought NO players in and yet sit top of the table. It's all about spirit, fight, belief and the right players in the right positions - when you have limited options it focusses the minds. THAT'S the attitude we need - NO MORE EXCUSES. We have had plenty of that in the past thank you very much. Shape up or ship out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 time for excuses was over the last home game..after we did "so well" against birmingham.. we dont win sat, pardew and the team will need a hard look at themselves and wonder if we are going in the right direction... a draw at home to CRAP yeovil will simply be NOT GOOD ENOUGH.. even the apologists cant keep excusing the team this long..[/QUOTE] Maybe, Maybe not. Say we draw on saturday are you effectively saying we should sack pardew with immediate effect ? If so who would you propose to replace him with? Personally my view is we stick with what we have for at least 6 months but just interested in your view on what should happen if we do lose / draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 time for excuses was over the last home game..after we did "so well" against birmingham.. we dont win sat, pardew and the team will need a hard look at themselves and wonder if we are going in the right direction... a draw at home to CRAP yeovil will simply be NOT GOOD ENOUGH.. even the apologists cant keep excusing the team this long.. Maybe, Maybe not. Say we draw on saturday are you effectively saying we should sack pardew with immediate effect ? If so who would you propose to replace him with? Personally my view is we stick with what we have for at least 6 months but just interested in your view on what should happen if we do lose / draw. did i actually say that or ever said that..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 did i actually say that or ever said that..? Dont worry, TDD, wild-saint has a problem with subtlety. If we fail to win on Saturday, more of the old team (Lallana, Schneiderlin, etc.) need to be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 time for excuses was over the last home game..after we did "so well" against birmingham.. we dont win sat, pardew and the team will need a hard look at themselves and wonder if we are going in the right direction... a draw at home to CRAP yeovil will simply be NOT GOOD ENOUGH.. even the apologists cant keep excusing the team this long..[/QUOTE] Maybe, Maybe not. Say we draw on saturday are you effectively saying we should sack pardew with immediate effect ? If so who would you propose to replace him with? Personally my view is we stick with what we have for at least 6 months but just interested in your view on what should happen if we do lose / draw. TBH I can't see it coming to that. Regardless of what anyone feels is a decent timescale on here, it's down to Cortese and Markus to decide how long he's got. If they are not happy with progress, we'll see a change made, I'm certain of that. They didn't invest that money in trying to repair this club to go further backwards. Yes we have a new team in parts, but many who have been here for a while are still on board - so there's that excuse out of the window. The reality of it is that we are on -5 (yes, MINUS 5) and at the moment even without the points deduction we would be bottom three. That's not acceptable is it? - that's why we need a good win this Saturday. Something to bring some positivity and bigger crowds back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Dont worry, TDD, wild-saint has a problem with subtlety. If we fail to win on Saturday, more of the old team (Lallana, Schneiderlin, etc.) need to be shown the door. What if we draw 2-2 with Lallana and Schneiderlin getting a goal each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Dont worry, TDD, wild-saint has a problem with subtlety. If we fail to win on Saturday, more of the old team (Lallana, Schneiderlin, etc.) need to be shown the door. The thing is by all acount Scneiderlin and to a lesser degree Lallana would walk into the midfield of most teams in this league. Is replacing them really necessary? Although I will concede if there's a motivation issue or they don't fit in with the current tactics then there's a definate case for their sale. Our poor performances need to be made accountable to the entire aquad and management as they're all to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 The thing is by all acount Scneiderlin and to a lesser degree Lallana would walk into the midfield of most teams in this league. Is replacing them really necessary? Although I will concede if there's a motivation issue or they don't fit in with the current tactics then there's a definate case for their sale. Our poor performances need to be made accountable to the entire aquad and management as they're all to blame. How do you blame Rickie Lambert for no supply ? We know he has scored for fun in other teams How do you blame Trotman, Perry, Harding for succumbing to pressure when the midfield arent helping by playing too deep ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 What if we draw 2-2 with Lallana and Schneiderlin getting a goal each? Has Schneiderlin scored for us at all ? Strong contender for Most Overrated Player at Saints, currently, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Dont worry, TDD, wild-saint has a problem with subtlety. If we fail to win on Saturday, more of the old team (Lallana, Schneiderlin, etc.) need to be shown the door. Read my post again ALP. I asked the question "are you effectively saying we should replace pardew" and if so "who would you replace him with?" The two options that I see if we lose are 1) we carry on supporting and let him get on with the job (my preference) 2) Sack him and replace Now if you advocate option 1 - keeping him then its pretty pointless writing a post saying no more excuses etc if we lose on/ fraw on sat. Unless of course you think a strongly worded letter will do the job. As for your idea of showing more of the old team the door, how doi you propose to do that outside the transfer window and who do you want to replace them with? And how much time would you give these new players (loanees I assume) to gel into the side before you started shouting "no more excuses? So TDD if your reading my earlier questions were of genuine interest and Alps your posts bore me so Id rather you didnt respond. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Has Schneiderlin scored for us at all ? Strong contender for Most Overrated Player at Saints, currently, imo. Meh, he has potential and i'm willing to keep him for that. FWIW I agree, there are NO excuses for not winning this. However, I can still see the progress that's being made and I will stand by what I said at the start of the season - I will be happy if we stay up this year, but next year nothing less than promotion will be acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Schneiderlin is a worthy candidate for best passer of the ball in league 1. I think we'll win, but if we don't there is no need to hit the panic button yet. Rebuilding was about more than just the playing staff, so we need more patience than at Mkdons and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Read my post again ALP. I asked the question "are you effectively saying we should replace pardew" and if so "who would you replace him with?" The two options that I see if we lose are 1) we carry on supporting and let him get on with the job (my preference) 2) Sack him and replace Now if you advocate option 1 - keeping him then its pretty pointless writing a post saying no more excuses etc if we lose on/ fraw on sat. Unless of course you think a strongly worded letter will do the job. As for your idea of showing more of the old team the door, how doi you propose to do that outside the transfer window and who do you want to replace them with? And how much time would you give these new players (loanees I assume) to gel into the side before you started shouting "no more excuses? So TDD if your reading my earlier questions were of genuine interest and Alps your posts bore me so Id rather you didnt respond. HTH Yep, again its all black-and-white. Someone else point out to Wild-saint that Jaidi was signed outside of the trasnfer window, please. Apparently I bore him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Has Schneiderlin scored for us at all ? Strong contender for Most Overrated Player at Saints, currently, imo. Alps..be careful, you'll be accused of holding a vendetta if you're not careful ;-) For me, Schneiderlin could do well in the Prem. Even by the shots he was taking against Millwall - he definitely has the talent, strength and ball control to succeed. I bet it hasn't turned out how he thought it would either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Alps..be careful, you'll be accused of holding a vendetta if you're not careful ;-) For me, Schneiderlin could do well in the Prem. Even by the shots he was taking against Millwall - he definitely has the talent, strength and ball control to succeed. I bet it hasn't turned out how he thought it would either. I only just found out that he is only 19 I thought he was 22 at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Excuses ran out 2 weeks ago - will need some action if we fail to win this one You required an excuse to be the only club to take points off Charlton at home did you? With or without the ungiven 93rd minute penalty... Buck your ideas up pal. Charlton was a superb result. A win would have been just, just. Yeovil need to be beaten, no doubt. But to suggest anyone needed to make an excuse for Saturday is a nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Alps..be careful, you'll be accused of holding a vendetta if you're not careful ;-) For me, Schneiderlin could do well in the Prem. Even by the shots he was taking against Millwall - he definitely has the talent, strength and ball control to succeed. I bet it hasn't turned out how he thought it would either. Yes, he probably could do well in the Prem, if he has the likes of Wenger mentoring him. He's not what we need for League 1, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I only just found out that he is only 19 I thought he was 22 at least. ..and a REGULAR for his country as well at his age level. In time it will probably be proved that Lowe did at least three things right: 1. Signing Niemi 2. Signing Schneiderlin 3. Leaving the first time. Everything else could have been done better by others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mUrph Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I tend to agree here. If we're gonna get that first win, now is the time to do it. Couple of wins and the deduction is gone. I'm not advocating head rolling (not implying others are) but I won't be able to use the gelling or improvement excuse for it...it will just be an unbridled disappointment. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 It's a game that we would have marked down for 3 points at the start and with our situation I think it is essential to a good season to pick up 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnet Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 6 0 win for me. Ricky Lambert hatrick and he'll get the first goal. Personally I would give Pardew at least till end of Jan, which allows hom to replace players if necessary in the Jan transfer window. Cant believe your slating Lallana either, isnt he joint top scorer from midfield to? I'd be happy to stay up this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Has Schneiderlin scored for us at all ? Strong contender for Most Overrated Player at Saints, currently, imo. Gets my vote - seen him 7 or 8 times now.........contribution in them game was zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Alps..be careful, you'll be accused of holding a vendetta if you're not careful ;-) For me, Schneiderlin could do well in the Prem. Even by the shots he was taking against Millwall - he definitely has the talent, strength and ball control to succeed. I bet it hasn't turned out how he thought it would either. If he is crap in L1 and the CCC why do you bizzarly think he would do well in the prem? madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Even Illingsworth is saying the excuses are wearing thin... Couldn't care less what his opinion is TBH. We secured an excellent point at Charlton even without Jaidi and Waigo starting and these 2 players alone will improve us greatly. As has been mentioned we really need to get into plus points, 3 v Yeovil would clearly help and I think this could be the game when we score 4 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 10 games is enough gelling time? some of the new players haven't even played a whole 90 mins yet! Lol not even 5 minutes- Waigo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 If he is crap in L1 and the CCC why do you bizzarly think he would do well in the prem? madness What was it Tarby used to say in Winner Takes All? 'Difference of opinion' - that's all. I'm not saying he is as good as him NOW for a million years but if he ended up at Arsenal he COULD be another Fabregas. How many other players in our squad REGULARLY get picked by their national coach? Saga? All of our other players that have played more than 10 minutes this season (apart from Davis,Trotman and Lambert who are clearly CCC standard) are League 1 standard only - until they get us out of this league that feeling will not change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I'll be extremely worried about our prospects if we don't pick up a win on Saturday. I've been perfectly happy up to now to show patience and wait for the results to improve. Certainly our performances have gotten better but there's no substitute for points on the board. The new spine of the team (Trottman, Hammond, Lambert) have had a good amount of time to settle in with the old team, we've not really got too many injuries, so we need to see what this team is about now. A point away at Charlton is a very good result. Hopefully we can build on that with another good showing and a good victory to really get us going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 will need some action if we fail to win this one I wonder if Coppell will be there again on Saturday....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I wonder if Coppell will be there again on Saturday....? Careful Trousers ;-) *conspiracy alert* (I happen to think you could be right, but let's be careful and patient for now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 4-0 to the red & whites It'll all come together and Lambert will score early to settle everyone's nerves. You read it here first! We have not scored in the first 10 mins of a game since Feb 2008, some 66 matches. Is it likely to change as of Saturday, I hope so but can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I expect us to win, the key will be getting an early goal as if we go into the 2nd half still 0-0 then it could be hard work. Yeovil will obviously come with some sort of plan to stop us playing (i doubt they'll be massively adventurous, as a draw will be a win for them)..but the bonus being this time we have a few surprises we can throw into the mix (i.e papa). I think Yeovil are a cracking little club - but comparing the resources and squads, it should be a win for us - our best chance this season to get off to a winning mode. They have only won 3 games in 28 league games. They're not a very good team these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 I think we will win 5-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 The season will be 6 weeks old, the amount of time we are supposed to have lost due to Pinnacle. We will also have played 10 competitive games - a reasonable amount of gelling time. In my opinion, this match represents a strong indicator of how the season will pan out. Even Illingsworth is saying the excuses are wearing thin... You can't regain time lost in pre-season. The team and backroom staff are still being put together, gelling continues. In my opinion, this thread represents Alp et al perfectly. I can imagine Alpy as a Roman saying that his home town and empire should have been finished within 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 You can't regain time lost in pre-season. The team and backroom staff are still being put together, gelling continues. In my opinion, this thread represents Alp et al perfectly. I can imagine Alpy as a Roman saying that his home town and empire should have been finished within 24 hours. Rome wasn't built in a day but Alpine wasn't on that particular job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 So what ? The team nucleus ( ca. 7 of the players) has been together for 10 games. It all depends what you mean by " gell".....and just how long does it take to gell...do we think ? 5 games ...? .or 10 ? ....or half a season ? The nucleus you refer to is mostly the back line, of course I know the old adage " you build (a team) from the back " ...and I think it looks good. We must expect to concede the odd goal but we really need to convert more of those (many) chances we create every game. AP has tried several formulas ..and obviously discounted the likes of Wotton, Paterson and Lancashire as first team choices ...and finally lost Rasiak, (although Lambert will be even better in future.) Harding, Hammond and Trotman look good. Mellis is still young and an unknown quantity in an experimental team. On the other side...Murty looked good ....before his injury, and neither Jaidi or Papa Weigo haven't started a game yet ......so I think we are still in the " gelling " period. With a bit more consistant refereeing (an unusual quality in this L1, I know) and if the cross bar was 6" higher we'd be PLUS points by now........ I think that with Jaidi and Papa W. in the side as regulars we'll have a clearer picture by mid October, but it's going to be a LONG season especially as we started with -10 pts. in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 5 points from 7 games is NOT the haul of points I was hoping for or expecting. It falls well below expectations. I probably would have expected 10 points, and hoped for 12. That said, I remain an apologist and will continue to be an apologist if we don't win on Saturday. Firstly, I don't know what the alternative is (no one is saying sack Pardew from what I can see). Secondly, we are moving - steadily - in the right direction. Thirdly, we haven't had the rub of the green so far, we probably "deserve" more than the 5 points we've got. I want a win on Saturday just like everyone else. But I'm still at a stage where I care more about the performance. If, say, we draw 1-1 (again!), but have 3 clear cut penalty shouts turned down, hit the woodwork six times and they score a flukey goal from their only shot, I still won't be panicking. I'll still be an apologist. A frustrated one, but an apologist nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Dont worry, TDD, wild-saint has a problem with subtlety. If we fail to win on Saturday, more of the old team (Lallana, Schneiderlin, etc.) need to be shown the door. what if we fail to win but the `old team' are the star performers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Yep, again its all black-and-white. Someone else point out to Wild-saint that Jaidi was signed outside of the trasnfer window, please. Apparently I bore him.... but he was out of contract. Schneiderlin and Lallana both have contracts so no one else can sign them until the next window - or was that what you meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 To be honest we only need to look at our colleagues in League 2 down the road to see what can be achieved. Bournemouth have spent NO money, brought NO players in and yet sit top of the table. It's all about spirit, fight, belief and the right players in the right positions - when you have limited options it focusses the minds. THAT'S the attitude we need - NO MORE EXCUSES. We have had plenty of that in the past thank you very much. Shape up or ship out. TBH, I completely agree with the sentiments of this post. Now is the time to start showing some true worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 It all depends what you mean by " gell".....and just how long does it take to gell...do we think ? 5 games ...? .or 10 ? ....or half a season ? The nucleus you refer to is mostly the back line, of course I know the old adage " you build (a team) from the back " ...and I think it looks good. We must expect to concede the odd goal but we really need to convert more of those (many) chances we create every game. AP has tried several formulas ..and obviously discounted the likes of Wotton, Paterson and Lancashire as first team choices ...and finally lost Rasiak, (although Lambert will be even better in future.) Harding, Hammond and Trotman look good. Mellis is still young and an unknown quantity in an experimental team. On the other side...Murty looked good ....before his injury, and neither Jaidi or Papa Weigo haven't started a game yet ......so I think we are still in the " gelling " period. Man City's gelling period has been pretty short and I agree with Steve Claridge when he says that it doesn't take decent players any time to gel. Right backs know how to play right back, strikers know how to play up front etc. For me its all about the balance and lack of pace and quality in the side, not the gelling in period that has held us back. As time goes by better quality players are slowly getting in the side and that's why we are perhaps moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Share Posted 15 September, 2009 Yeovil will park the bus. Gonna be a frustrating afternoon. It will come good, we will win a game eventually, just might not be this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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