trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Anyone know? Via andrew oldknow perhaps? I recall reading somewhere a while back that they were impressed with the fans' passion via feedback they'd seen on the echo site, but what about here? I know it's "only an Internet message board" but must be a useful barometer to guage what fans are feeling at any given time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Only on Tuesdays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 As long as they ignore the "moaners'" of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 What - read and action comments for a tiny minority of Saints supporters (no more than 1-200 regular posters....and we get 19K crowds)? I would certainly hope not - look where that got us before with Wilde! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 What - read and action comments for a tiny minority of Saints supporters (no more than 1-200 regular posters....and we get 19K crowds)? I would certainly hope not - look where that got us before with Wilde! What a cogent argument! Every single opinion poll in existence that doesn't bother asking the entire population its opinion is rendered totally pointless, eh? We get 19,000 crowds, but many can't make it on match days. Therefore their opinions posted on here should be ignored, as you infer that only those who attend matches can really have a valid opinion. It is clearly the case that under your argument, there is no realistic way for the board to gauge the opinion of the fans. The letters and comments written up in the Echo are no more representative of the fans than those posted on here. As the main fans' forum, this is probably largest barometer of opinion, so there is no reason why Cortese or somebody on his staff shouldn't come on here to see which way the wind blows according to the "customers" of the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Tbh this forum represents a very very small percentage of the fanbase and shouldn't be considered as a true representation of opinion. ......but if you're reading SORT THE SH1T OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Tbh this forum represents a very very small percentage of the fanbase and shouldn't be considered as a true representation of opinion. ......but if you're reading SORT THE SH1T OUT. I won't argue that this is only 10% or so of the fanbase when equated against matchday attendances, but I would be interested to hear why you conclude that the views of this 10% cannot be representative of the whole fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I know that the club do monitor this website and are very focussed on building up good relationships with the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Yep, he has been registered for ages. His name reflects the mountainous region of his home land, followed by the ubiquitous "saint" obviously. (NB, this is a joke) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Let's hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I know for a fact that Coretese posts on here - as far as i'm aware he posts under the username 'thedelldays' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Lets hope that if he does look on here, Mr Cortese is not offended by people misspelling his name!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Lets hope that if he does look on here, Mr Cortese is not offended by people misspelling his name!! Yeah, noticed that after I submitted the thread. 'Twas a typo rather than ignorance....honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Well I reckon Mr Cortese is a fantastic bloke, and if he ever offered me free tickets I would gladly tell him that to his face and shake his hands and thank him for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Anyone know? Via andrew oldknow perhaps? I recall reading somewhere a while back that they were impressed with the fans' passion via feedback they'd seen on the echo site, but what about here? I know it's "only an Internet message board" but must be a useful barometer to guage what fans are feeling at any given time? god I hope not! if they thought this was a barometer they would walk away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 god I hope not! if they thought this was a barometer they would walk away! I disagree - there's far more positive people on here than pessimists.....isn't there.....?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I disagree - there's far more positive people on here than pessimists.....isn't there.....?! Check the "where do you expect to finish" poll, split very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 god I hope not! if they thought this was a barometer they would walk away! Why? The forum reflects a number of diverse opinions the same as any subject up for debate. As is to be expected under current circumstances, there are naturally some posters who are impatient and want to see results right away, but they are a minority. Most are looking longer term and have more patience. I don't see many being critical of the 5 year plan, saying that is unrealistic, or that it should be a shorter period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 What - read and action comments for a tiny minority of Saints supporters (no more than 1-200 regular posters....and we get 19K crowds)? I would certainly hope not - look where that got us before with Wilde! Polls for an election are normally carried out on a couple of thousand people and are generally right against an electorate of 30million + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 maybe its just the posts of the few suicidal nutters that I notice more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Check the "where do you expect to finish" poll, split very nicely. One can still be "positive" about the long term stability and future of the club but still predict a bottom half of table finish. The two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusivbe IMHO. BTW, if you're watching Mr Cortese, I predicted a 7th - 9th place finish in said poll, so I'll glady accept any of those free tickets too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 maybe its just the posts of the few suicidal nutters that I notice more! It's the posts moaning about the moaners that catch my eye most.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Polls for an election are normally carried out on a couple of thousand people and are generally right against an electorate of 30million + Might account for why they're so inaccurate.... (although one is obviously hoping that the polls about Gordon Brown and Labour's popularity are blindingly accurate!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Check the forum of any side that sit bottom of the league - they are not celebrating the fact and I would ask questions if they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) Check the forum of any side that sit bottom of the league - they are not celebrating the fact and I would ask questions if they were. Devil's advocate alert.... re: These other club's forums....did said clubs start on -10 points and have a disrupted pre-season? I'd hate us to start comparing apples and oranges again.... Edited 2 October, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 only bottom due to -10, would be 5th from bottom, hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 One can still be "positive" about the long term stability and future of the club but still predict a bottom half of table finish. The two viewpoints aren't mutually exclusivbe IMHO. BTW, if you're watching Mr Cortese, I predicted a 7th - 9th place finish in said poll, so I'll glady accept any of those free tickets too... No free tickets allowed, everyone has to pay their way, sorry. NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Why? The forum reflects a number of diverse opinions the same as any subject up for debate. As is to be expected under current circumstances, there are naturally some posters who are impatient and want to see results right away, but they are a minority. Most are looking longer term and have more patience. I don't see many being critical of the 5 year plan, saying that is unrealistic, or that it should be a shorter period. Everyone bar one person said they were happy with the 5 year plan at the fans forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Everyone bar one person said they were happy with the 5 year plan at the fans forum. Would that be Perry, simultaneously complaining about the cost of a pint of Guiness? I wonder whether Washsaint considers the Radio Solent fans' forum to be representative? If not, then another complete waste of time. And yet I'll wager that most of those who attended that, either post on here, or comment in the Echo. Why? Because they are the ones who are prepared to take the trouble to express their opinions, whereas some others do not, but vote with their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) Everyone bar one person said they were happy with the 5 year plan at the fans forum. Getting to the Premiership in the foreseble future is quite achievable with investment and good management and I fully expect to happen. Actually what is in this 5 year plan are there any milestones or events on the way? And how will it be known if we are on the way to success with this plan at the end of the season and how often is the plan being monitored Edited 2 October, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Actually what is in this 5 year plan are there any milestones or events on the way? And how will it be known if we are on the way to success with this plan at the end of the season and how often is the plan being monitored 1st milestone is promotion to Championship next season (not the Coca Cola Championship of course). By implication that means avoiding relegation this season. So there you have your first 2 milestones of the 5 year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 1st milestone is promotion to Championship next season (not the Coca Cola Championship of course). By implication that means avoiding relegation this season. So there you have your first 2 milestones of the 5 year plan. Not a very cunning plan then:rolleyes: Yes I agree they are the only possible milestones at the moment So if we fail to get promotion next season by losing on penalties in the final do we start another four year plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Getting to the Premiership in the foreseble future is quite achievable with investment and good management and I fully expect to happen. Actually what is in this 5 year plan are there any milestones or events on the way? And how will it be known if we are on the way to success with this plan at the end of the season and how often is the plan being monitored Championship within 2 years and Prem in 5. That's the plan and success or failure will be decided by cortese I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Well I reckon Mr Cortese is a fantastic bloke, and if he ever offered me free tickets I would gladly tell him that to his face and shake his hands and thank him for everything. Free tickets eh Lawrie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I bet it's part of his daily routine.......why would they check an innernets forearm? Do they care what a bunch of nutters on ere think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Everyone bar one person said they were happy with the 5 year plan at the fans forum. Hypo, I hope you are right but listening on the radio it didn't come across like that. Cortese spoke of the 5 year plan and there was subtle disconcerted murmuring (if I can describe it like that) to which Cortese reacted and asked the rhetorical question '5 years is reasonable, isn't it?'. Then there was and increased level of murmured acknowledgement and a few guffaws but not exactly a ringing endorsement. There are many amongst the fanbase that for whatever reason have not bought into the 5 year plan at all. My guess is that as we have a wealthy owner they automatically expect him to splash the cash instead of the reality that he has bought the club as a self sufficient business with the potential to give a nice return on his investment either on an ongoing basis or when he comes to sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Andy Oldknow regularly reads this forum to keep up to date with what this part of the fan base thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Anyone know? Via andrew oldknow perhaps? I recall reading somewhere a while back that they were impressed with the fans' passion via feedback they'd seen on the echo site, but what about here? I know it's "only an Internet message board" but must be a useful barometer to guage what fans are feeling at any given time? Hope not or he'd want to top himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Andy Oldknow regularly reads this forum to keep up to date with what this part of the fan base thinks. But what's the significance of the word 'Alpine' in Oldknow's user name? (sorry, Alpine, couldn't resist....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Andy Oldknow regularly reads this forum to keep up to date with what this part of the fan base thinks. he is a great bloke as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I bet it's part of his daily routine.......why would they check an innernets forearm? Do they care what a bunch of nutters on ere think? Tony Lynam did with allegedly MLT's endorsement to name but two who thought we were important enough to be kept abreast of abject failure and they weren't the first well connected individuals, so who knows? The day Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow or Pardew come on here to address our tortured souls will be the day hell freezes over and we abandon all hope. Gentlemen please read and ignore by all means but please never, never, never post What next? Mike Osman and his bro's coming on her and getting all shirty because in my humble opinion of the wolrd entertainment, 'Mike Osman' and 'comedian' are as great an oxymoron as you could find in show business with IMO the possible exception when the media describe Bruce Forsyth as youthful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Hypo, I hope you are right but listening on the radio it didn't come across like that. Cortese spoke of the 5 year plan and there was subtle disconcerted murmuring (if I can describe it like that) to which Cortese reacted and asked the rhetorical question '5 years is reasonable, isn't it?'. Then there was and increased level of murmured acknowledgement and a few guffaws but not exactly a ringing endorsement. There are many amongst the fanbase that for whatever reason have not bought into the 5 year plan at all. My guess is that as we have a wealthy owner they automatically expect him to splash the cash instead of the reality that he has bought the club as a self sufficient business with the potential to give a nice return on his investment either on an ongoing basis or when he comes to sell it. I attended the fans forum and believe me everyone was happy with it. He actually asked everyone in the room and everyone bar one person put their hands up (something which obviously isn't audible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 There are many amongst the fanbase that for whatever reason have not bought into the 5 year plan at all. My guess is that as we have a wealthy owner they automatically expect him to splash the cash instead of the reality that he has bought the club as a self sufficient business with the potential to give a nice return on his investment either on an ongoing basis or when he comes to sell it. Forgive me if I am wrong (and that happens alot these days) but I believe that alot of people have not brought into the 5 year plan, not because its too slow, but because they think its too soon. We have all been taking for a ride and kicked when we are down by previous regimes and I think people dont want to get there hopes up again, I personally think ML and NC are being straight with us, and they think its obtainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Polls for an election are normally carried out on a couple of thousand people and are generally right against an electorate of 30million + I would be careful about equating the representativeness of this forum with that of a political poll. The latter is based on very careful sampling techiques designed to ensure representativeness whereas our sample is self selecting. Furthermore there are certain posters on here who post many, many more times that others and hence their opinions are more frequently expressed. This board's opinions MIGHT be representative but there is no real guarantee that they are. The polls are the nearest we get to representativeness of an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I attended the fans forum and believe me everyone was happy with it. He actually asked everyone in the room and everyone bar one person put their hands up (something which obviously isn't audible). Perhaps John from Hedge End did make an appearance after all and was mourning the fact that his hero Lowe was no longer available to toady up to. He was probably the author of the anonymous letter at the AGM too, unless it was written by Cowan or Lowe himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I would be careful about equating the representativeness of this forum with that of a political poll. The latter is based on very careful sampling techiques designed to ensure representativeness whereas our sample is self selecting. Furthermore there are certain posters on here who post many, many more times that others and hence their opinions are more frequently expressed. This board's opinions MIGHT be representative but there is no real guarantee that they are. The polls are the nearest we get to representativeness of an opinion But seeing the arguing and bickering that goes on on this forum, on just about every thread and every subject, I would suggest we have a pretty representative cross-section of the fan-base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Would that be Perry, simultaneously complaining about the cost of a pint of Guiness? I wonder whether Washsaint considers the Radio Solent fans' forum to be representative? If not, then another complete waste of time. And yet I'll wager that most of those who attended that, either post on here, or comment in the Echo. Why? Because they are the ones who are prepared to take the trouble to express their opinions, whereas some others do not, but vote with their feet. Although at times it may be considered contrary to your own views this forum has the ability to at least give an accurate indication to a more generalised opinion as is the case with exit polls at elections. I personally don't always like it, as i have disgreed with the consensus view on here in the past believing that off forum people felt differently. On balance I have to agree with Wes with regards to the mechanics of his theory. Afterall, membership is open to all and not just canvassed to those with similar ideals, with the major difference probably being their passion for the club above those who don't register. This forum will more often than not give an indictaion as to what the entire fanbase believes just as by asking a small percentage of voters exiting a polling station (usually less than 50% of the entire electorate) will give a accurate indictaion which party is likely to win the election. The polls have been wrong in the past and so has the forum but not as often as at times some would hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) Forgive me if I am wrong (and that happens alot these days) but I believe that alot of people have not brought into the 5 year plan, not because its too slow, but because they think its too soon. We have all been taking for a ride and kicked when we are down by previous regimes and I think people dont want to get there hopes up again, I personally think ML and NC are being straight with us, and they think its obtainable. I have not bought into the five year plan because I dont think you can plan to get to the Premiership definitely in five years because of so many factors outside our control However I have bought into the idea that with careful management we can challenge to get into the Premiership within five years and will eventually reach it possibly in five maybe more maybe less. Edited 2 October, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Forgive me if I am wrong (and that happens alot these days) but I believe that alot of people have not brought into the 5 year plan, not because its too slow, but because they think its too soon. We have all been taking for a ride and kicked when we are down by previous regimes and I think people dont want to get there hopes up again, I personally think ML and NC are being straight with us, and they think its obtainable. Must admit I haven't thought about it that way and I seriously doubt Landford everyone share' your patience. If we make it in 5 years to the Premier League then I believe there will be a few yo-yoy seasons before we hopefully settle in the top flight. If Cortese came out and said 7-8 years I don't think that would silence some critics and it would probably make it worse. If 5 years seems to quick to achieve our goal what are people basing that on? 10 games from 250 or more in the 5 years ahead? I agree with your conclusion 100% and cannot relate to the ridiclous calling for Pardew's sacking and the sense of panic that seems to be pervading certain parts of the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I won't argue that this is only 10% or so of the fanbase when equated against matchday attendances, but I would be interested to hear why you conclude that the views of this 10% cannot be representative of the whole fan base. Because these internet things are a magnet for weirdos, manic depressives and loners. Most normal football fans just go to watch a game with their mates and have a laff, they don't spend all day having virtual chats with complete strangers like us sad ****ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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