krissyboy31 Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 No longer particularly Saints related but JR has been jailed for 32 months for causing death by dangerous driving and banned for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32months in jail for Death by dangerous driving..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 No idea what the circumstances of his "dangerous driving" were, so I won't judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32months in jail for Death by dangerous driving..... I think he should never be let out. After all, even though he was older than 10, he must have known what he was doing was wrong and it resulted in death. He might do it again. (Ironic reference to the Jamie Bulger thread and in no way minimising the dreadful death of that little boy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 No idea what the circumstances of his "dangerous driving" were, so I won't judge him. Amazingly, the Judge did know what the circumstances were, and judged him! Stupid **** (thats JR, not SC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 wow, 2 threads both at 12:10yet mine is closed. And i thought we had something Panny. 32 months seems a little on the short side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 arsing about on his ipod according to reports back when it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 tragic accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 arsing about on his ipod according to reports back when it happened. Yeah same thing i heard...New Years Day iirc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 wow, 2 threads both at 12:10yet mine is closed. And i thought we had something Panny. 32 months seems a little on the short side I merged the 2, yours must have been a few seconds behind on the metadata timecode. Dont blame me, blame the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32 months seems a little on the short side I would say the opposite. How long did Lee Hughes get for being drunk and/or on drugs killing someone on the road and then fleeing the scene and going on the run for a day? There was a case in my local paper last month about a Sunday league player who after the game punched a player from the other team so hard that an artery in his neck has severed and he died. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was given a two year sentence. I don't drink drive and have never physically assaulted anyone and I'm sure that is same for most on here but can we all say that none of us have ever temporarily lost control of a car when fiddling with the radio. Yes he shouldn't have done it and someone did die but I can't see what good sentencing him to that length of sentence will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I think he was adjusting his radio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Maybe Ian Wright can use him now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Christ - 32 months is good compared to our Justice system. We would be told he has had a hard life and needs a cuddle. Law Vs Justice...... A masssive gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32 months is way too short for taking someones life. I wonder whether, if he had been a serving customs officer, who had undergone the Police driving course and was speeding back from a football match, certain posters would have been calling for a lighter sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I think he was adjusting his radio Something I'm sure every single one of us has done on more than one occasion. A very sad and tragic accident for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Something I'm sure every single one of us has done on more than one occasion. A very sad and tragic accident for all involved. Ditto. Very easy for armchair pundits to judge. And just as easy to negate the feelings and effect on the family affected by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32 months is way too short for taking someones life. The trouble is there doesn't seem to be any consistency in sentencing. Is 32 months too short, too long or par for the course? Seems to me that individual Judges make it up as they go along and some take certain things into consideration, while others don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Did he plead guilty or not guilty and did he show remorse, as this would have had a bearing on the sentence handed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Did he plead guilty or not guilty and did he show remorse, as this would have had a bearing on the sentence handed down. Pleaded guilty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Pleaded guilty! m'lud would have taken this into account. Sentence seems about right. It didn't involve violence, drunken driving etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icey Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 was Christmas day IIRC driving back to us for the boxing day game? believe he was adjusting his i pod when he hit a car killing children i believe. not sure the justice system will ever get things right and will never adopt the eye for an eye policy !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 m'lud would have taken this into account. Sentence seems about right. It didn't involve violence, drunken driving etc. Pretty violent to me - killing people. Adjusting an iPod is on a par with talking / texting on a mobile phone because you have to look at it. You don't necessarily have to look at your radio if you're retuning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 was Christmas day IIRC driving back to us for the boxing day game? believe he was adjusting his i pod when he hit a car killing children i believe. not sure the justice system will ever get things right and will never adopt the eye for an eye policy !! One adult male was killed. If it was an eye for an eye policy wouldn't that mean that he should be sentenced to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 2 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 October, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4661783.Ex_Saints_striker_jailed_after_fatal_crash/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Pretty violent to me - killing people. Adjusting an iPod is on a par with talking / texting on a mobile phone because you have to look at it. You don't necessarily have to look at your radio if you're retuning it. I think the law looks at the different circumstances, if you belt someone in a fight and kill them, I would think that they would take the view that you have intended to do harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I rarely use the iPod while driving, I prefer to concentrate on my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I think the law looks at the different circumstances, if you belt someone in a fight and kill them, I would think that they would take the view that you have intended to do harm. My best mates sister recently did an identical thing, and only got 6 months. Very inconsistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 32 months is way too short for taking someones life. I wonder whether, if he had been a serving customs officer, who had undergone the Police driving course and was speeding back from a football match, certain posters would have been calling for a lighter sentence. Yes ....sorry I thought my original post did n't read right - My customers officer friend went on the driving course and told me about it....He was n't the Carlisle Flyer!!!... He is another good friend. As to the sentance in this case!Thirty two months - He's a young boy who made a mistake and will live with the fact that someone died as a result of his mis judgement for the rest of his life. He was fiddling with his ipod - I feelsorry for the family but also feel sorry for JR. I don't think that there are too many people that are able to sit in judgement. We all do thing wrong or against the law from time to time. I think the cross section of people that attended the recent driving awareness course - highlighted this too me. The bottom line here is that this was an accident!! They do still happen you know. I felt very sorry for the girl in southampton who got four years for knocking down and killing a cyclist who had broken a red light!She got four years had she had had a text earlier in the journey - I don'tsee how she was anymore to blame in that instance than the cyclist but someone has to be seen to carry the can! Anyway just be clear that hte customs officer and the carlisle flyer are too seperate people. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Something I'm sure every single one of us has done on more than one occasion. A very sad and tragic accident for all involved. Not a tragic accident when it could have been so easily avoided. He took the risk and is now paying for it but not as much as are the family he managed to destroy by killing the father. Life is full of hazards, why increase the risk of things happening when there are possible actions to mitigate against them. I have an ipod in my car, £80 fully fitted to connect it to the stereo, I'm sure he could have afforded it for his Mercedes CLC 180 sport car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 He should have been banged up ages ago for imitating a pro footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I rarely use the iPod while driving, I prefer to concentrate on my book. i used to read whilst driving, but i kept spiling my coffee on the pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 i used to read whilst driving, but i kept spiling my coffee on the pages Interesting, I stopped drinking coffee when driving as it stopped me sleeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I can't remember what I used to drink when driving but it was hot. After the crash the doc's don't think I will regain my memory but can repair my badly scolded legs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I wish people would not judge when they know dam well that in their lifetime that they are likely to have committed similar offences. There are no winners but only losers in this case. Tragic for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I think Ewell (above) is right. Bit surprised with some of the harsh comments on here, inferring he is a murderer. There was no intent to kill. He did a stupid thing and will pay for it forever, not just over the next 32 months. How often do any of us change the CD in the car stereo? I commute to work alone so I can't ask anyone to do that for me. However, this tragic accident has made me think and I won't do that again. I feel desperately sorry for the family of the dead man, and although I can't approve of JR's actions, I do feel a bit sorry that he will never forgive himself. So before any of you answer me back, think about yourself - do you never take one hand off the wheel to adjust the radio/cd or your eyes off the road while supping coffee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I think Ewell (above) is right. Bit surprised with some of the harsh comments on here, inferring he is a murderer. There was no intent to kill. He did a stupid thing and will pay for it forever, not just over the next 32 months. How often do any of us change the CD in the car stereo? I commute to work alone so I can't ask anyone to do that for me. However, this tragic accident has made me think and I won't do that again. I feel desperately sorry for the family of the dead man, and although I can't approve of JR's actions, I do feel a bit sorry that he will never forgive himself. So before any of you answer me back, think about yourself - do you never take one hand off the wheel to adjust the radio/cd or your eyes off the road while supping coffee? There is a huge difference between adjusting the radio and messing with an iPod. No-one is accusing him of murder, it is effectively manslaughter. If young inexperienced drivers with motors that they don't know how to control properly do silly things then I'm sorry but they must accept that they will pay for it. 32 months, he will be out in just over a year. The man he killed is dead, he won't be back in a year. 32 months does on the face of it seem harsh, but not if you are the victim. And anyone who sups coffee or uses mobile phone (other than hands free) or generally ****es about behind the wheel deserves everything the law throws at them and some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 The trouble is there doesn't seem to be any consistency in sentencing. Is 32 months too short, too long or par for the course? Seems to me that individual Judges make it up as they go along and some take certain things into consideration, while others don't. That's exactly what does happen. There are guidelines and I think (correct me) the maximum sentence for causing death by reckless driving is five years?? May be wrong. The point, however, is that this is a country that allows judges to determine the sentence based on the evidence presented - which should be a good thing. The problem comes when someone murders someone and is given a life sentence, which actually means 18 years, which could mean out after 9... In this case, I feel sorry for everyone involved. Mainly for the victim of course, but for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Interesting, I stopped drinking coffee when driving as it stopped me sleeping. i drink coffee to to sober me up a bit before going into work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 There is a huge difference between adjusting the radio and messing with an iPod. No-one is accusing him of murder, it is effectively manslaughter. If young inexperienced drivers with motors that they don't know how to control properly do silly things then I'm sorry but they must accept that they will pay for it. 32 months, he will be out in just over a year. The man he killed is dead, he won't be back in a year. 32 months does on the face of it seem harsh, but not if you are the victim. And anyone who sups coffee or uses mobile phone (other than hands free) or generally ****es about behind the wheel deserves everything the law throws at them and some. I don't think anyone could say he doesn't deserve the sentence, but rather plenty seem to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I..." I know the first witnesses on the scene, who telephoned the emergency services. They said that he stopped as quickly as he could, sprinted back to the scene of the accident, and wept uncontrollably until he was taken away. No attempt to evade responsibility or the charges. Unlike some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I don't think anyone could say he doesn't deserve the sentence, but rather plenty seem to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I..." I know the first witnesses on the scene, who telephoned the emergency services. They said that he stopped as quickly as he could, sprinted back to the scene of the accident, and wept uncontrollably until he was taken away. No attempt to evade responsibility or the charges. Unlike some... You're so right SM . Incidents like this are tragedies for everyone involved - I'm sure this young man didn't set out to kill anybody and no punishment imposed can ever bring back the innocent victims and make things 'right' again somehow . I know one thing for sure , I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life with something like this on my conscience - I'd rather swap places with the dead rather than suffer that fate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 You're so right SM . Incidents like this are tragedies for everyone involved - I'm sure this young man didn't set out to kill anybody and no punishment imposed can ever bring back the innocent victims and make things 'right' again somehow . I know one thing for sure , I wouldn't want to live the rest of my life with something like this on my conscience - I'd rather swap places with the dead rather than suffer that fate . For this reason, the sentence is really wrong in my view. What value is it to anyone to lock the boy up? Will it bring back the dead? No. Will it prevent him doing it again? No. He will never ever take his eyes off the road again. Will it act as a deterrent? No, because there are countless people on here who prove it won't. All that happpens is it costs me money as a taxpayer and makes the family feel their loss is worth just 32 months. Better would have been to have the lad spend the next ten or fifteen years, one or two days a week working with young drivers, or young disadvantaged children or something that would have helped to deliver a value back to the society - maybe even a charity of the family's choice. This would help him genuinely atone, also help him to help the family all come to terms with their fate. As someone else said, this is tragedy all round. But also a wasted tragedy if the family sees no benefit and wider community learns no lessons or sees no benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 For this reason, the sentence is really wrong in my view. What value is it to anyone to lock the boy up? Will it bring back the dead? No. Will it prevent him doing it again? No. He will never ever take his eyes off the road again. Will it act as a deterrent? No, because there are countless people on here who prove it won't. All that happpens is it costs me money as a taxpayer and makes the family feel their loss is worth just 32 months. Better would have been to have the lad spend the next ten or fifteen years, one or two days a week working with young drivers, or young disadvantaged children or something that would have helped to deliver a value back to the society - maybe even a charity of the family's choice. This would help him genuinely atone, also help him to help the family all come to terms with their fate. As someone else said, this is tragedy all round. But also a wasted tragedy if the family sees no benefit and wider community learns no lessons or sees no benefit. Good post and I tend to agree with you , many 'hard liners' won't however . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevtherev Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Good post and I tend to agree with you , many 'hard liners' won't however . No idea what the circumstances of his "dangerous driving" were, so I won't judge him. Changing songs on his m3 player and caused "death by dangerous driving" let it be a lesson to us all. Plus he was banned from driving for 5 years, So I wonder when that starts? Now, which means he would only have 2 & half years ban on his release, or when he is released which would make more sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Even if you are fully concentrating on the road the whole time you can still cause an accident. Certainly wouldn't sit in judgment. Sad all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 I don't think anyone could say he doesn't deserve the sentence, but rather plenty seem to be saying, "There but for the grace of God go I..." I know the first witnesses on the scene, who telephoned the emergency services. They said that he stopped as quickly as he could, sprinted back to the scene of the accident, and wept uncontrollably until he was taken away. No attempt to evade responsibility or the charges. Unlike some... Exactly so, SoccerMom. I was left thinking that I, myself, change the cd, I sup coffee, I get a mint from the shelf ... I don't concentrate 100% .. but this has made me more vigilant and i will learn from this. You are right to remind the group that although he did a stupid thing, he held his hands up immediately, he rushed back to the scene, and he was remorseful. Maybe deliberately you didn't complete your sentence above - "unlike some". We know to whom you refer and yet the day he was arrested on the M3, having tried to outspeed the police when driving under the influence, many came on here saying "you can't criticize (name), he's a Saints legend". Sorry, I don't buy that. I have more time for JR's actions on the day of his misdemeanour that I do for (name)'s actions, allegedly not the first time. OK, maybe he'll be out in 18 months, but this will haunt him forever. Yes, maybe rightly so, but I think he needs an arm around the shoulder now, not spitting bile. Alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 For this reason, the sentence is really wrong in my view. What value is it to anyone to lock the boy up? Will it bring back the dead? No. Will it prevent him doing it again? No. He will never ever take his eyes off the road again. Will it act as a deterrent? No, because there are countless people on here who prove it won't. All that happpens is it costs me money as a taxpayer and makes the family feel their loss is worth just 32 months. Better would have been to have the lad spend the next ten or fifteen years, one or two days a week working with young drivers, or young disadvantaged children or something that would have helped to deliver a value back to the society - maybe even a charity of the family's choice. This would help him genuinely atone, also help him to help the family all come to terms with their fate. As someone else said, this is tragedy all round. But also a wasted tragedy if the family sees no benefit and wider community learns no lessons or sees no benefit. Another very good post, LeGod. That would have been a good solution all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 Should of got longer imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 There but for the Grace of God goes each and every one of us. Let the first person who has never made a mistake cast the first stone If it had been Drunk Driving then he and anyone else who caused such a disaster should get life. In his case, he will carry this forever, that is a hard punishment to take, IF ONLY are the two worst words in the English Language, and nobody so young shoud have to endure them. But, on the other hand, For the family, 32 months is nothing. For the victims, perhaps the law is wrong, perhaps he should pay for the rest of his working and pensionable life with deductions from his or anyone else that does something like this salary. Tragic and stupid. But show me one person who has never made one stupid mistake or one stupid thing they said sometime somewhere that they regret in their life and I will show you a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 2 October, 2009 Share Posted 2 October, 2009 He should have been banged up ages ago for imitating a pro footballer. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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