benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 has just been scored by France. What is Saints' most disgusting goal? I remember Beattie bundling the goalkeeper into the net at the Dell in front of the Milton (against M'Boro I think?) and the ref allowed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 As described by the BBC: "2211: EVEN BIGGER CONTROVERSY. This is quite unbelievable. Long ball over the top - and two French players are offside - but forget that, Thierry Henry juggles the ball CLEARLY with his hand before squaring for William Gallas to bundle in. The Republic of Ireland have been robbed here. Robbed." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8364463.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 It really is a horific goal. Missing the offsides from a dead-ball is bad enough but Henry threw the ball to Galllas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 I remember Shearer jumping up with the goalie at the six yard line,sending the keeper (who held a firm grip on the ball) flying into the net. Goal was allowed. not disgusting per se,but very funny ! Think it was against Forest away,in 1988-89. ended up being registered as a Des Walker own goal,since the ball in came from his looping backpass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 As described by the BBC: "2211: EVEN BIGGER CONTROVERSY. This is quite unbelievable. Long ball over the top - and two French players are offside - but forget that, Thierry Henry juggles the ball CLEARLY with his hand before squaring for William Gallas to bundle in. The Republic of Ireland have been robbed here. Robbed." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8364463.stm Was a blatant handball and Henry's reputation will be tarnished for it but the two offside players whren't involved in the goal so the BBC are just trying to make it sound even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 If ever there was a case to use TV replays in big matches - that was it. Absolute travesty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Trottman appeared to take the ball out the goalie's hands at Southend a month back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Saga dived patheticly at some point this season to win a pen. I didnt celebrate when he did it, or when we scored the goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Was a blatant handball and Henry's reputation will be tarnished for it but the two offside players whren't involved in the goal so the BBC are just trying to make it sound even worse. One of them should definitely have been given. He was stood about a foot from the ball as it went past his head and he was trying to get to it. Definite offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Trottman appeared to take the ball out the goalie's hands at Southend a month back. Oh yeah! I think that was "honest" though and the replays were hardly conclusive. Different league to this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Was a blatant handball and Henry's reputation will be tarnished for it but the two offside players whren't involved in the goal so the BBC are just trying to make it sound even worse. The French CB was impeeding Mcshanes view, which stopped him dealing with the ball that went through for Henry to juggle. Thats being active in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Maradona's was worse, that one involved England. There have always been bad decisions, be they offsides, penalties given or not given, balls over the line or not, it's all part off this great game that we all love. But we're not talking about unfortunate refereeing decisions here, deliberate handball like this does leave a nasty taste in the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 It's a shame there doesn't seem to be much sportsmanship left in the game. I know it's a huge reward, but that was ridiculous. He looked embarassed at the end. I'm sure it's largely instinctual, but I really don't see why the ref can't look at that incident at knock the goal off. Offside and two deliberate handballs. Brilliant. Gallas definitely looked embarressed for taking the chance. I don't think he even celebrated the goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Gallas definitely looked embarressed for taking the chance. I don't think he even celebrated the goal Yeah, it seemed like he kept glancing at the big screen. Seemed afraid of what he would see. Maybe he was worried about the goal, maybe he was worried that haircut he had that looked like a lady's clunge fluff was back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 How Dunne didnt lump Henry when he sat next to him after il never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSparky Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Like the word "Legend", the word "Robbed" is over used by people who have no clue about perspective and what these words truly mean in the context of sport. Tonight the word "Robbed" does have a suitable place when it comes to describing what has just happened to the Republic of Ireland football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Yeah I'd hate to be in the world cup due to a handball, rather than out of it. All seems a bit reactionary. Henry was a perfect sportsman back in the 03 final. The first part the ball just hit him, the second part was probably instinct more than anything. Not like it was calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Yeah I'd hate to be in the world cup due to a handball, rather than out of it. All seems a bit reactionary. Henry was a perfect sportsman back in the 03 final. The first part the ball just hit him, the second part was probably instinct more than anything. Not like it was calculated. Some of that is probably true with reference to the first handball but the second seemed a bit more than "instinct". Anyway, it's still a disgusting goal to concede and pretty surprising that none of the three offences (two handballs and an offside) were given! Got to feel sorry for the Oirish. What was the 03 final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 What was the 03 final? Us :confused: (1st minute) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 How Dunne didnt lump Henry when he sat next to him after il never know +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 wonder if it was the same ref who done the South Korea v Spain game in 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 as described by the bbc: "2211: Even bigger controversy. This is quite unbelievable. Long ball over the top - and two french players are offside - but forget that, thierry henry juggles the ball clearly with his hand before squaring for william gallas to bundle in. The republic of ireland have been robbed here. Robbed." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8364463.stm i,m really P1SSED off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Oh and the two offsides look easy in slow motion but were pretty tight in real time considering the assistant had to look in two places at once. Still I'd be fuming to concede that goal! Easier when its a neutral game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Us :confused: (1st minute) Ahh, I see. The FA Cup. Of course. Was thinking of "les (bien) Bleues". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Maradona's against us was more obviously deliberate and the stakes were higher. And it was against us, so it was more sickening. Gallas definitely knew the goal was hooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Well, look at it this way: It would only have gone to penalties and I have never liked that as a way of settling the tie. Now the Irish can feel morally superior and can hold their heads up with honour. The French on the other 'hand' .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Well, look at it this way: It would only have gone to penalties and I have never liked that as a way of settling the tie. Now the Irish can feel morally superior and can hold their heads up with honour. The French on the other 'hand' .... Id rather be in S.Africa and feel inferior without any morals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Two non home nation teams in a World Cup play off. Who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 The commentators on French TV (Wenger included) were clearly embarrassed. Post-game analysis by Lizarazu was unequivocal and almost sympathetic to the brave Irish. That goal should never have stood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Maradona's against us was more obviously deliberate and the stakes were higher. And it was against us, so it was more sickening. Gallas definitely knew the goal was hooky. He only handled it once! Unfortunately, I was living in Scotland when that happened, and the whole country (including the TV pundits, half of whom had made a fortune playing in England) were laughing their heads off. I suspect there was as much laughter and merriment in the ROI with the "hand of god" goal at that time. So while I do have some sympathy with our Irish friends, I wonder how they would react if it had been England on the wrong end of today's "le hand of god" goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 It really is a horific goal. Missing the offsides from a dead-ball is bad enough but Henry threw the ball to Galllas! It is disgusting cheating, and could hardly have been more blatant, Henry definetly knew what he was doing and Gallas is equally complicit. I hope that Fifa will act accordingly and follow through on their promise to ban cheats from the world cup! Seeing as there is no way that FIFA will change the outcome or replay the game at the expense of their beloved France, banning them would at least be a modicum of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Maradona's against us was more obviously deliberate and the stakes were higher. And it was against us, so it was more sickening. Gallas definitely knew the goal was hooky. I don't think Gallas actually knew the goal was hooky. He was at the end of the cross and headed the ball instinctively. Henry's attitude however baffles me as he has always had a reputation for fair play. Now, with so much money involved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 He only handled it once! Unfortunately, I was living in Scotland when that happened, and the whole country (including the TV pundits, half of whom had made a fortune playing in England) were laughing their heads off. I suspect there was as much laughter and merriment in the ROI with the "hand of god" goal at that time. So while I do have some sympathy with our Irish friends, I wonder how they would react if it had been England on the wrong end of today's "le hand of god" goal? +1 Blatant cheating, I agree it is a disgrace, and Thiery Henry has just wacthed the rest of his life affected by that, but the rules say "look in the book" what was the score? Perhaps the rules are wrong as well. Moral outrage - yeah, right, the only outraged are always the vanquished. I haven't read any stories this morning about the French FA apologising and giving the Irish their spot. We can all show sympathy to our Green comrades and make more snide racist comments about the "feckin French" But, I've taken enough cr*p over the years from Irish people with regard to football both England and Saints. This morning, it's just clear that the perennial gallant losers just simply found another way to achieve their normal status, and I can now reply to the Paddy's - yes it HURTS doesn't it, Ha bloody ha, what goes around comes around. And as we discussed elsewhere, if Lambo handballs a goal to win the playoff final will we be buring our ST's or shirts? Oh we'll feel bad, but like the French in SA, we'll enjoy playing in the CCC.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 has just been scored by France. What is Saints' most disgusting goal? I remember Beattie bundling the goalkeeper into the net at the Dell in front of the Milton (against M'Boro I think?) and the ref allowed it. Not France surely Maradona v England in the World Cup. Can't really think of a Saints one in recent times... we've lacked the spine to do such competitive things until Pardew's rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 He only handled it once! Unfortunately, I was living in Scotland when that happened, and the whole country (including the TV pundits, half of whom had made a fortune playing in England) were laughing their heads off. I suspect there was as much laughter and merriment in the ROI with the "hand of god" goal at that time. So while I do have some sympathy with our Irish friends, I wonder how they would react if it had been England on the wrong end of today's "le hand of god" goal? Well said, I used to work with an Irishman , Welshman and a Scotsman (no joke) and they all loved Maradona and the way he cheated us!! The Irishman was a Gooner so as it was old Thierry Handball I must admit I had a little chuckle at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 How can a guy who kept Claus on the pitch in the cup final, took the time to show Niemi the big screen to prove he was onside, who has been a genuine role model for so many suddenly throw all that away? Shame. A briiliant footballer who in my view will never be remembered for anything other than being a cheat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69 saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZJrOcgkYM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 +1 Blatant cheating, I agree it is a disgrace, and Thiery Henry has just wacthed the rest of his life affected by that, but the rules say "look in the book" what was the score? Perhaps the rules are wrong as well. Moral outrage - yeah, right, the only outraged are always the vanquished. I haven't read any stories this morning about the French FA apologising and giving the Irish their spot. We can all show sympathy to our Green comrades and make more snide racist comments about the "feckin French" But, I've taken enough cr*p over the years from Irish people with regard to football both England and Saints. This morning, it's just clear that the perennial gallant losers just simply found another way to achieve their normal status, and I can now reply to the Paddy's - yes it HURTS doesn't it, Ha bloody ha, what goes around comes around. And as we discussed elsewhere, if Lambo handballs a goal to win the playoff final will we be buring our ST's or shirts? Oh we'll feel bad, but like the French in SA, we'll enjoy playing in the CCC.... Sad but totally on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Two that spring to mind for me are Beattie's goal against West Brom in 2003 (?) when the ball had clearly gone out earlier in the move...and I'll always remember Kevin Philips' dive for that penalty at home to Wolves the next season (?) when Uriah Rennie gave it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZJrOcgkYM the more you see it, the worse it gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Not France surely Maradona v England in the World Cup. Can't really think of a Saints one in recent times... we've lacked the spine to do such competitive things until Pardew's rebuild. The last time I remember us getting a goal through blatant cheating was Marian Pahars diving for a penalty against Everton in the 2002-2003 season. He then had the bare-faced cheek to score the penalty himself. Obviously, I'm not complaining as it was our first win of the season and undeserved wins are often remembered more fondly than deserved ones. How can a guy who kept Claus on the pitch in the cup final, took the time to show Niemi the big screen to prove he was onside, who has been a genuine role model for so many suddenly throw all that away? Shame. A briiliant footballer who in my view will never be remembered for anything other than being a cheat... I'm sure Henry was similarly derided after his dive against Barcelona in the Champions League final set up Arsenal's goal. The only reason that it wasn't discussed so much is that Arsenal eventually lost the match. As for the FA Cup Final, I seem to remember Henry, Ljungberg and Pires playing keep-ball in the corner for over 5 minutes, trying to run down the clock. That's my overriding memory of the day and sickened me because Arsenal were so completely dominant that they didn't need to resort to those tactics. Even Arsene Wenger looked frustrated with it. It reminded me of the old Liverpool tactic of constantly playing the ball back to the goalkeeper when they were ahead in the days when there was no back-pass rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Mikie Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I can't recall the game, but I remenber Kevin Phillips falling over in the penalty box with closest defender being meters from him. He won a penalty, which was subsequently scored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Gotta feel for the ref this morning, who had been excellent up till then. It was just a complete fluke that both the ref and lino were blindsided as to the ball falling beyond a crowd of players and out of their sight... when you look at it like that then perhaps it's a surprise it doesn't happen more often? Have to say would it have happened with one of Platini's much derided 'extra linesmen' behind the goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggy Bottom Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Sorry to highjack the thread but is this the same Yahia, that played for us in the res, a few years ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/8367431.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I am regularly accused of paranoia on here, but I have got it from a FIFA-affiliated referee directly that in the meetings the refereeing officials have leading up to the qualification games and the finals themselves, FIFA makes it clear they want to see certain teams progress further than others. Never forget the perverting influence money has had on the game, epsecially at this level. France in the finals brings in more TV and merchandising revenue than Ireland. And that's the bottom line.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 I am regularly accused of paranoia on here, but I have got it from a FIFA-affiliated referee directly that in the meetings the refereeing officials have leading up to the qualification games and the finals themselves, FIFA makes it clear they want to see certain teams progress further than others. Never forget the perverting influence money has had on the game, epsecially at this level. France in the finals brings in more TV and merchandising revenue than Ireland. And that's the bottom line.... Absolutely refuse to believe this! I'd rather be called naive and gullible, than subscribe (in all senses of the word) to something that in reality is one big con! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 The most sickening, disgusting goal ever ... the smarmy, mis hit, bad bounce flukey effort by Adrian Heath in the FA Cup semis at Highbury. :smt022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Absolutely refuse to believe this! I'd rather be called naive and gullible, than subscribe (in all senses of the word) to something that in reality is one big con! The draw is real, but FIFA is really concerned about the sporting spectacle over the integrity of the game, is the impression I was given. so if you have two big guns playing each other, FIFA prefers the one who plays the more attractive football to get through. For example, I will never ever believe that the performance of Kim Moeller Nielsen in the England v Argentina game of France 98 or that Argentinian d*ckhead in the England v Portugal game in Germany 2006 were impartial. They both got red cards out against England players (playing for a team that comes very close to the top of the Fair Play table in each tournament they are in) at the first opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Don't feel any great sympathy for Ireland as I still haven't forgiven them for 1988 Euro's :mad: We hear a lot about today's footballers getting in trouble for violence (Gerrard and marlon King to name two). If ever someone was justified in decking Thierry Henry then it was last night. I am amazed that no-one confronted him, Richard Dunne even sat and talked to him gently patting him on the arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 At the very least, Henry should now be banned for the duration of the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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