lordswoodsaints Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Their contracts finish in the next few days,which ones should we try and keep hold of? Or should they be replaced by some decent permanent signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Trotman please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Trotman will go back, he's looked increasingly dodgy in the last few months anyway. Need someone like Elliott ward to replace him. I'd keep antonio for the season based on the fact that he can offer us something off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Trotman will go back, he's looked increasingly dodgy in the last few months anyway. Need someone like Elliott ward to replace him. I'd keep antonio for the season based on the fact that he can offer us something off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting. Get rid of all 3 we need better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 AP confirmed that Mellis has been recalled by Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 apparently Mellis already gone and a decison on trotman soon Pardew on solent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 AP confirmed that Mellis has been recalled by Chelsea. Also confirmed (on Radio Solent) that no decision on Antonio and will make his mind up on Trotman later in the week. He didn't elaborate whether it was his or Reading's decision re Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 (edited) I'd be suprised if Chelsea let us keep Mellis, we haven't used him much of late, and I'm sure Chelsea would rather see him get regular first team football. Waigo's a season loan anyway, which saves the worrying. Antonio hasn't been great, but I still think we should keep him, I doubt Reading would want him back, and he can be effective from the subs bench. Edited 28 December, 2009 by SNSUN Mellis already gone, answers that question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I'd be suprised if Chelsea let us keep Mellis, we haven't used him much of late, and I'm sure Chelsea would rather see him get regular first team football. Waigo's a season loan anyway, which saves the worrying. Antonio hasn't been great, but I still think we should keep him, I doubt Reading would want him back, and he can be effective from the subs bench. Mellis has already gone back, Chelsea recalled him due to the loss of their African players. (AP on Solent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Trotman. No to Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 If we don't keep Antonio we will need to get another right winger aswell as a left winger to give cover to Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 If we don't keep Antonio we will need to get another right winger aswell as a left winger to give cover to Lallana. Antonio's contrat runs out in July so Reading are resigned to losing him I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 If we don't keep Antonio we will need to get another right winger aswell as a left winger to give cover to Lallana. McClaggon and Thomson are cover for Waigo on the right wing and Lallana can play there too. If Holmes is leaving then a proper left footed winger must be a priority though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 McClaggon and Thomson are cover for Waigo on the right wing and Lallana can play there too. If Holmes is leaving then a proper left footed winger must be a priority though. Its obvious that Pards doesn't rate Holmes so that is a priority and Thomson certainly is not good enough cover and McClaggon needs games so can stay on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Antonio's contrat runs out in July so Reading are resigned to losing him I think Probably more glad to be rid of him. An experimental signing which didn't pan out. For anybody with eyes to see he hasn't panned out for us either for the very simple reason that he hasn't got the basics for playing at this level. A first touch would have been nice together with some basic idea of how the game is to be played. I can't for the life of me understand what AP sees in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Mellis has already gone back, Chelsea recalled him due to the loss of their African players. (AP on Solent). Don't really see why he has gone back, he will never get a game there. Their ban has been lifted so I can se them splashing the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Don't really see why he has gone back, he will never get a game there. Their ban has been lifted so I can se them splashing the cash. I guess it's because they want him to play games, so they may send him out on loan to another club - seems a waste really loaning out one of your promising players, only to have them sitting in the other teams reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ado Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Its obvious that Pards doesn't rate Holmes so that is a priority and Thomson certainly is not good enough cover and McClaggon needs games so can stay on loan. Went to bournemouth vs torquay today and Thomson best player on the pitch. Never rated him before but he caused Bournemouth loads of problems. Could easily act as cover for the wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Went to bournemouth vs torquay today and Thomson best player on the pitch. Never rated him before but he caused Bournemouth loads of problems. Could easily act as cover for the wingers Not good enough as cover long term though, ok for the odd game at best but we should move him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Not good enough as cover long term though, ok for the odd game at best but we should move him on. Perhaps we should get rid of our Academy as we dont seem to want to develop our youngsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Not good enough as cover long term though, ok for the odd game at best but we should move him on. you sure? he's been earning rave reviews for torquay, rave reviews playing for T+T and is still very young... he could well return and suprise Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 you sure? he's been earning rave reviews for torquay, rave reviews playing for T+T and is still very young... he could well return and suprise Pardew. IMO all Thomson lacked when playing for us was confidence, he always seemed scared to take a player on - if he can gain that confidence from this loan deal, the we'll have a very useful player back with us next year IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint stu 20 Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I guess it's because they want him to play games, so they may send him out on loan to another club - seems a waste really loaning out one of your promising players, only to have them sitting in the other teams reserves. from the horses mouth himself said to me a couple of weeks ago - "ancelotti wants me to play at chelsea and for those reasons i wont be staying, said he will continue to come back down south as hes made a lot of good life time friends. shame because he became a good friend and a really nice lad, not your typical big headed footballer! all the best to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Would be happy for all three of them to go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Not bothered about any of them tbh, Mellis was the best of the lot but he was never going to get much of a look in once we signed Connolly and ditched the attacking 4-5-1 we where playing. Antonio is a good impact sub and should be nothing more until he develops a brain to go with his pace and ability. Trottman I don't really rate at all, slow and very poor on the ball. We already have a defender that bad called Wayne Thomas, there's no need to have both. Get in a defender who can play the ball out of defence ASAP. Going to be hard for Pardew to find someone in that mould to come to us but if we're going to push on he'll have to find that centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Not bothered about any of them tbh, Mellis was the best of the lot but he was never going to get much of a look in once we signed Connolly and ditched the attacking 4-5-1 we where playing. Antonio is a good impact sub and should be nothing more until he develops a brain to go with his pace and ability. Trottman I don't really rate at all, slow and very poor on the ball. We already have a defender that bad called Wayne Thomas, there's no need to have both. Get in a defender who can play the ball out of defence ASAP. Going to be hard for Pardew to find someone in that mould to come to us but if we're going to push on he'll have to find that centre back. Wow, we agree on something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 god help us if Thomson is our saviour. The term Lightweight was made for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Wow, we agree on something... I think we agree on most things apart from Lloyd James and he seems to split the opinion of whole fanbase more than anyone else at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Not bothered about any of them tbh, Mellis was the best of the lot but he was never going to get much of a look in once we signed Connolly and ditched the attacking 4-5-1 we where playing. and Pardew believing that Wotton actually sures things uop when he reverts back to a 4-5-1. Shame as Mellis offered the pace we need in midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Don't really see why he has gone back, he will never get a game there. Their ban has been lifted so I can se them splashing the cash. I know a fair few Chelsea season ticket holders, you say he'll never get a game, but according to there fans he is probably there biggest hope amongst there youngsters. They are a little bit gutted for him that he's not played as much as they would have liked for us, especially as the little run he did have was ended by his exploits for England U 19's, when just before that he was class for us. Mellis himself, as posted above, has gone back because the manager wants him. I imagine he'll be used in January a bit by Chelsea, especially as Ancelotti has gone on record saying he has no plans to add in January and wants to use his youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 and Pardew believing that Wotton actually sures things uop when he reverts back to a 4-5-1. Shame as Mellis offered the pace we need in midfield Aye the current 4-5-1 is a bit too samey - Hammond, Schneiderlin with James or Wotton all offer the same sort of thing without much of a goal threat Mellis linked up really well with Lallana at times, one of the few players we had on the same wave length as Lallana and Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggiee Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Trotman will go back, he's looked increasingly dodgy in the last few months anyway. Need someone like Elliott ward to replace him. I'd keep antonio for the season based on the fact that he can offer us something off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting. +1 on all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 apparently Mellis already gone and a decison on trotman soon Pardew on solent! He's a bit TOO young. He may develop late,r but as of january 2010... not for us. He made 8 starts (but only on the winning side once) and similar number of subs.......... no goals. As we're likely to buy in midfield cover, it's no great loss, and if Chelseas want him back there's no more to be said. Thanks lad ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Trotman will go back, he's looked increasingly dodgy in the last few months anyway. Need someone like Elliott ward to replace him. I'd keep antonio for the season based on the fact that he can offer us something off the bench, but he shouldn't be starting. Agree about Trotman., but Preston may want him back anyway. Don't know about Ward, but if he's an ex Pardew player, he'll be on a short list Antonio has a lot of potential. If Reading don't want him any longer, I'd take a longer look and make a decision in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Agree about Trotman., but Preston may want him back anyway. Don't know about Ward, but if he's an ex Pardew player, he'll be on a short list Antonio has a lot of potential. If Reading don't want him any longer, I'd take a longer look and make a decision in May. Ward is indeed an ex-pardew player, he was with him at West Ham (although he was a player coming through the ranks back then) IMO he is a top quality championship CB (as he's shown at Plymouth and at Cov) - Cov signed him for £1m and he became their captain straight away, so if we do manage to get him for L1 it will be a massive coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Agree about Trotman., but Preston may want him back anyway. Don't know about Ward, but if he's an ex Pardew player, he'll be on a short list Antonio has a lot of potential. If Reading don't want him any longer, I'd take a longer look and make a decision in May. What is his actual potential? First touch? (he hasn't shown sign of having any) Crossing? (I can recall a large number of these ending up in the side netting or in the stands, but can't remember any good ones) Reading the game? (the bloke who first said "headless chicken" must have thought of MA) Pace? (in spite of a lot of mentioning of "blistering" pace he doesn't run away from full backs or even centre backs, so just exactly how quick is he?) If you're thinking about some other potential, please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 What is his actual potential? First touch? (he hasn't shown sign of having any) Crossing? (I can recall a large number of these ending up in the side netting or in the stands, but can't remember any good ones) Reading the game? (the bloke who first said "headless chicken" must have thought of MA) Pace? (in spite of a lot of mentioning of "blistering" pace he doesn't run away from full backs or even centre backs, so just exactly how quick is he?) If you're thinking about some other potential, please let me know. well of course, its neither you nor I, who signed him - was it ? As I recall AP has some encouraging words when he arrived. Obviously he is still young and not as " cultured " as some people think wingers should be. If we have coaches like Dean.W. and Wally D. around they'll bring him on - if indeed he has talent beyond just running fast. (If the last thirty years is anything to go by - a lot of our so-called wingers had less pace than a lot of midfielders, and less skill, too...so if he stays another 5 months, we ought to have the answer by then - don't you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Trottman - suspect we might be able to extend his loan until the end of the season if we want but I do not see him as a permanent signing Antonio - I reckon if we can get him now on a free we might go for it as first team cover. Mellis - already gone Wiago - on loan to the end of the season. Certainly one I would want to see Saints buy if the cost not too excessive. Makes things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Preston have just sacked their manager, that could throw trotmans situation up in the air somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 well of course, its neither you nor I, who signed him - was it ? As I recall AP has some encouraging words when he arrived. Obviously he is still young and not as " cultured " as some people think wingers should be. If we have coaches like Dean.W. and Wally D. around they'll bring him on - if indeed he has talent beyond just running fast. (If the last thirty years is anything to go by - a lot of our so-called wingers had less pace than a lot of midfielders, and less skill, too...so if he stays another 5 months, we ought to have the answer by then - don't you think ? I'm afraid you need some talent to start with for anybody to help you develop it. I cannot find anywhere to start with this bloke. He just needs to get back to Reading before he returns to non-league. I'm suffering from anxiety every day that he's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Preston have just sacked their manager, that could throw trotmans situation up in the air somewhat. wow they have, tough blow, hopefully it can throw another option in, however im sure Pardew has suitable candidates lined up in a similar mould as Trottman. i'd love to see Jack Cork back at the club in some capacity, very versatile and i reckon pardew could get him to play very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 What is his actual potential? First touch? (he hasn't shown sign of having any) Crossing? (I can recall a large number of these ending up in the side netting or in the stands, but can't remember any good ones) Reading the game? (the bloke who first said "headless chicken" must have thought of MA) Pace? (in spite of a lot of mentioning of "blistering" pace he doesn't run away from full backs or even centre backs, so just exactly how quick is he?) If you're thinking about some other potential, please let me know. I beg to differ on that score as he is 'sh#t off a shovel' but have to agree that he'd need a brain to be dangerous ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 wow they have, tough blow, hopefully it can throw another option in, however im sure Pardew has suitable candidates lined up in a similar mould as Trottman. i'd love to see Jack Cork back at the club in some capacity, very versatile and i reckon pardew could get him to play very well. Jack Cork would be the perfect centre half for us. Decent pace, very good on the ball, can play it out from defence and a decent defender as well. Experienced and at the same time still young. If I could sign any one realistic player it would be Jack Cork to play alongside Jaidi. I really rated him when he was with us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Preston have just sacked their manager, that could throw trotmans situation up in the air somewhat. Good point Trotman had a well documented spat with Irvine, so his sacking will probably mean he will return to Preston In saying that, Preston are skint. So, they may sell Trotman straight away without having to run the risk of upsetting their non-existent manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If I was AP yesterday I'd have ordered the coach driver to divert to Preston and Reading on the way home and dropped Trottman and Antonio off. It amazes me how people rate Trottman, as someone above said if you're looking for a clumsy, error strewn centre back with no positional sense and appalling distribution but who can win a few headers we've already got Wayne Thomas so don't need another one. On second thoughts I'd probably keep Antonio but only if he is used as an impact sub and not a starter. TBH though, to have any chance of a play-off push we need better players than these two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 It amazes me how people rate Trottman, as someone above said if you're looking for a clumsy, error strewn centre back with no positional sense and appalling distribution but who can win a few headers we've already got Wayne Thomas so don't need another one. except that Thomas is a clumsy, error strewn centre back with no positional sense, appaulign distribution but does't win many headers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 Good point Trotman had a well documented spat with Irvine, so his sacking will probably mean he will return to Preston In saying that, Preston are skint. So, they may sell Trotman straight away without having to run the risk of upsetting their non-existent manager They won't sell him to anyone who saw either of Colchester's goals yesterday. Bad up in the air header for the first, bypassed for the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If we're honest none of them are much cop. They came, they tried they failed. Trotman is nothing more than a journeyman who's good at keepie-uppie; Mellis flatters to deceive; Connolly is good in parts but goes Awol most of the ime in most game - as again v Exeter. Antonio is from the Tesco's own label headless chicken shelf.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 29 December, 2009 Share Posted 29 December, 2009 If we're honest none of them are much cop. They came, they tried they failed. Trotman is nothing more than a journeyman who's good at keepie-uppie; Mellis flatters to deceive; Connolly is good in parts but goes Awol most of the ime in most game - as again v Exeter. Antonio is from the Tesco's own label headless chicken shelf.... Do you rate any of our players??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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