Player Temperament

[brightspark]

Great performance on the field today, but all of our cards today could easily have been avoided. To be honest it was pathetic from some of them.

 

Why does Lloyd James need to get involved (He now misses next game ? Why does Kelvin need to run 40 yards to get involved? I'm OK with sticking up for your team mates but don't get aggressive and raise your arms!!!

 

Silly of Holmes to get booked for kicking the ball away. Stupid yellow really although its his first of the season so not too much bother. Wayne Thomas gets booked for an elbow in the face. Close to a red you know that - lucky boy, and all because he wanted to retaliate after the player kicked him in the hip while going for the ball 10 minutes earlier.

 

And now for the cream of the crop. Schniederlin was excellent today, a 9/10 performance, but he went and wrecked it with a moment of "seeing red" madness. Why does he have to raise his hands and push him in the face? WHY? I like to see him get stuck in but now he has to face the consequences with a 3 match ban.

 

Final Whistle just gone however and i'm very satisfied. COYR!!!

[Danish Saint]

From listening to the reactions on 2nd half thread... the ref was a w*nker!

[benjii]

Yes, some silly stuff from Schneiderlin. Although I don't personally see why what he did is deemed worse than what their player did (grab him round the collar aggressively; that's violent conduct). They should both have gone or neither.

 

James and Davis didn't need a yellow though. Ref overreacted.

 

They should've got a red for the stamp in the chest of Thomas. Wasn't surprised to see him clatter someone after that!

[Eaststander]

All part of the learning curve. Teams reflect there managers. MK Dons a niggly in yer face type of outfit. Designed to get under your skin. And in they seemed to get under ours today.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Yes, some silly stuff from Schneiderlin. Although I don't personally see why what he did is deemed worse than what their player did (grab him round the collar aggressively; that's violent conduct). They should both have gone or neither.

 

James and Davis didn't need a yellow though. Ref overreacted.

 

They should've got a red for the stamp in the chest of Thomas. Wasn't surprised to see him clatter someone after that!

 

+1 !!!!

[Block 5]

We had real passion and grit tonight.

That makes such a pleasant change from the last few seasons that I can overlook the indiscipline.

[Elmore]

I see what you mean but a better ref could have dealt with that match without showing 6 yellow cards and one red.

[SuperMikey]

Yes, some silly stuff from Schneiderlin. Although I don't personally see why what he did is deemed worse than what their player did (grab him round the collar aggressively; that's violent conduct). They should both have gone or neither.

 

James and Davis didn't need a yellow though. Ref overreacted.

 

They should've got a red for the stamp in the chest of Thomas. Wasn't surprised to see him clatter someone after that!

 

+2! The ref was ridiculous today, very biased towards MKD and missed some clear decisions. Did the ref not see the studmarks on Thomas's chest after that challenge? Big scrapes all down him.

 

He shouldn't be reffing f*cking sunday league, let alone at this level.

[John B]

From listening to the reactions on 2nd half thread... the ref was a w*nker!

 

The commentators thought the ref did everything by the book but probably missed the penalty

[S-Clarke]

the ref' was card happy.

[Alright Dave]

Great performance on the field today, but all of our cards today could easily have been avoided. To be honest it was pathetic from some of them.

 

Why does Lloyd James need to get involved (He now misses next game ? Why does Kelvin need to run 40 yards to get involved? I'm OK with sticking up for your team mates but don't get aggressive and raise your arms!!!

 

Silly of Holmes to get booked for kicking the ball away. Stupid yellow really although its his first of the season so not too much bother. Wayne Thomas gets booked for an elbow in the face. Close to a red you know that - lucky boy, and all because he wanted to retaliate after the player kicked him in the hip while going for the ball 10 minutes earlier.

 

And now for the cream of the crop. Schniederlin was excellent today, a 9/10 performance, but he went and wrecked it with a moment of "seeing red" madness. Why does he have to raise his hands and push him in the face? WHY? I like to see him get stuck in but now he has to face the consequences with a 3 match ban.

 

Final Whistle just gone however and i'm very satisfied. COYR!!!

 

Quite honestly its funcking pathetic!!! I am only 30 myself but even when i started playing and watching the game that was no more than handbags and to say it results in a red is just crazy!! That said its the rules so players should not be so stupid to do it, but as mentioned their guy should have walked as it was 6 of 1 half dozen of the other, for me it was both of them off or neither, my personal thoughts are neither!!!

 

Now the more important issue is Mr Pardew now has to sign a center mid before the next league game at least!!!!!!!!!!

[pilsburydoughboy]

The Officials were ****ing crap.

[thefuriousb]

I see what you mean but a better ref could have dealt with that match without showing 6 yellow cards and one red.

 

+1

 

And would have noticed that Wilbraham used his hands more than his head or feet throughout the whole game.

 

I didn't see either Davis or James do anything 2 or 3 MK Don players did in the same fracas. So not sure why he chose to book them and no one else (and not send off Randall for the inital reckless challenge from behind)

 

Morgan could feel a tad unfortunate as on another day he would have just booked the pair of them. He did, though, give the ref the opportunity to deem it violent and therefore a red.

[brightspark]

I think today when confronted with a 50/50 yellow/no yellow the ref favoured the way of the card. It could have been needed to calm the game down, however you could claim that James, KD and Schniederlin decisions were all harsh. However, an appeal will fail for the red - don't bother with the extra game ban Saints!

 

The difference IMO was that Schniederlin made physical contact pushing the face, and combined with the poor tackle, did more than the MK Dons guy to earn a worser punishment. However, at first I felt it should have been either Nothing-Yellow, or Yellow-Yellow. But no appeal.

[LGTL]

I loved seeing it, OK it's stupid and needless, but after putting up with years of players not caring, it's nice to see them get stuck in a bit and show like they care.

[SFC goalmachine]

If I was Pards, I would risk an FA rap and come out and say that the ref was definately on the take tonight.The tw*t with the flag in the corner when Antonio was holding the ball up was on 50% of what the ref was on clearly!!!

[trousers]

WHY?!

 

Testosterone.

 

HTH

[Alright Dave]

I think today when confronted with a 50/50 yellow/no yellow the ref favoured the way of the card. It could have been needed to calm the game down, however you could claim that James, KD and Schniederlin decisions were all harsh. However, an appeal will fail for the red - don't bother with the extra game ban Saints!

 

The difference IMO was that Schniederlin made physical contact pushing the face, and combined with the poor tackle, did more than the MK Dons guy to earn a worser punishment. However, at first I felt it should have been either Nothing-Yellow, or Yellow-Yellow. But no appeal.

 

to be honest i don't even blame the ref for the red, its the ****ing pathetic rules they are asked to follow thats the problem, especially with todays premadonnas who are all desperate to get an opponent sent off. Arrghh frustrating rules of football, i guess thats all part of the excitement in the end ?

[beatlesaint]

James does not miss any games, for the umpteenth time the bookings tally is now 10.

 

After years of lacking the winning mentality the players are showing a desire to win, ok some of the niggles are needless but they need to channel the winning mentality which, lets face it, is a learning curve for us and them !

[trousers]

I loved seeing it, OK it's stupid and needless, but after putting up with years of players not caring, it's nice to see them get stuck in a bit and show like they care.

 

Indeed. The main thing that got me last year (apart from the crap management and adminstration obviously...) was the lack of passion and (relatively controlled) aggression from our players.

[S-Clarke]

.The tw*t with the flag in the corner when Antonio was holding the ball up was on 50% of what the ref was on clearly!!!

 

that was ****ed up, how on earth was that a free kick? the sky commentators even commented on how bizarre a decision that was. I don't even think antonio touched their player?

 

I wouldn't want pard's to come out and shout from the rooftops about it though, we've got a win, a well deserved win. It's not like any of the decisions cost us the game luckily, so we can move on and go into the home leg with a huge advantage.

[merrimd]

James wont miss the next game, the 5 yellow rule ran out at the turn of the year. Davis was being the senior pro and sticking up for the younger player. Happens at all levels of the game and is spot on, well done Kelv.

[brightspark]

that was ****ed up, how on earth was that a free kick? the sky commentators even commented on how bizarre a decision that was. I don't even think antonio touched their player?

 

Agreed. As a referee myself that one really annoyed me, because it was obviously a foul the other way. 1000 replays and you would not be able to see a foul in that. Antonio was leaning forward with his arms down. Therefore no obstruction or leaning into fouls can be given.

 

Very annoying. Thankfully didn't cost us.

[merrimd]

to be honest i don't even blame the ref for the red, its the ****ing pathetic rules they are asked to follow thats the problem, especially with todays premadonnas who are all desperate to get an opponent sent off. Arrghh frustrating rules of football, i guess thats all part of the excitement in the end ?

 

What bloody annoys is they say he followed the letter of the rules to send him off, yet he seemed to have spilt coffee all over his copy of the rule book on the Handball page!!!

[Windmill Arm 2]

Great performance on the field today, but all of our cards today could easily have been avoided. To be honest it was pathetic from some of them.

 

Why does Lloyd James need to get involved (He now misses next game ? Why does Kelvin need to run 40 yards to get involved? I'm OK with sticking up for your team mates but don't get aggressive and raise your arms!!!

 

Silly of Holmes to get booked for kicking the ball away. Stupid yellow really although its his first of the season so not too much bother. Wayne Thomas gets booked for an elbow in the face. Close to a red you know that - lucky boy, and all because he wanted to retaliate after the player kicked him in the hip while going for the ball 10 minutes earlier.

 

And now for the cream of the crop. Schniederlin was excellent today, a 9/10 performance, but he went and wrecked it with a moment of "seeing red" madness. Why does he have to raise his hands and push him in the face? WHY? I like to see him get stuck in but now he has to face the consequences with a 3 match ban.

 

Final Whistle just gone however and i'm very satisfied. COYR!!!

 

 

Don't feel like you have to miss out on an opportunity to have a dig at them even when they win.

The ref was shocking tonight, nothing wrong with a bit of grit from the lads, its the only way to progress in L1.

[Alright Dave]

What bloody annoys is they say he followed the letter of the rules to send him off, yet he seemed to have spilt coffee all over his copy of the rule book on the Handball page!!!

 

True

[saint1977]

Yes, some silly stuff from Schneiderlin. Although I don't personally see why what he did is deemed worse than what their player did (grab him round the collar aggressively; that's violent conduct). They should both have gone or neither.

 

James and Davis didn't need a yellow though. Ref overreacted.

 

They should've got a red for the stamp in the chest of Thomas. Wasn't surprised to see him clatter someone after that!

 

Spot on and I agree with S Clarke on that stupid Antonio decision in that corner, ref should be embarrassed. Awful foul on Thomas with no apology let alone a yellow yet Thomas gets booked for far less at other end. Should also have had a blatant pen for the handball.

 

Still, got a richly deserved win and we should make MK Dons really suffer at SMS (again). Superb from Antonio and Morgan despite reds, James is going to worry Hammond if Hammond is out for a while and Lambert caused problems. Fonte was class at both ends.

[Joesaint]

I would take the cards as long as the players are givcing there all. We have misses passion for a while and its kinda nice to see.

[Legod Third Coming]

Worst refereeing I have seen until Spurs were denied a completely legit goal because the ref and lino don't know the fecking rules!!!!!!

 

It's pathetic.

 

It's time refs were all 100% full time professional paid accordingly and supported by video technology.

 

If some to55er grabbed me by the throat I would fecking deck him too.

[Give it to Ron]

I can tell Brightspark you have never played the game.....if someone grabs you by the shirt and throat you never respond???

In the heat of the moment in a tense area final????

So easy sat on your arse at home to criticise - I though we battled superbly and great to see us get stuck in and not be the pushovers we were under JP and Wotte.

[Legod Third Coming]

I can tell Brightspark you have never played the game.....if someone grabs you by the shirt and throat you never respond???

In the heat of the moment in a tense area final????

So easy sat on your arse at home to criticise - I though we battled superbly and great to see us get stuck in and not be the pushovers we were under JP and Wotte.

 

Afeckingmen!

[Huffton]

Yes the ref was a complete ****, quite how he missed the handball is anyones guess, although none of our lot seemed to appeal for it. He was also mugged by their forward (can't remember his name) who fell over like he'd been shot every time a Saint went near him. Add to that the lino who was in cloud cuckoo land..

BUT, the ref set his stall out early and it was clear he was going to be card happy. James, Davis, Holmes and especially Schneiderlin all got whta was coming to them. If I was Pards I waould be having a serious word in their ears about discipline, or lack of. Stupid little flare ups like this could cost us dear come the end of the season.

[st alex]

I thought Gleeson's push on James during the first half in incident that saw James and Kelvin both booked was no worse than Schniderlin's push on...Gleeson at the end.

 

The ref seemed to ruling by double standards, and although many of our cards can be justified they were by large harsh. Either James or Kelvin should have been booked in that scuffle along with Gleeson who was doing most of the pushing until Kelv came out. I didn't think Thomas deserved a booking either from the replay it looked like he went up for the header and clashed heads, nothing more, the ref seemed intend of making something of it everytime he penalised us.

 

Not sure why, for a semi final on a day when there are few other games in the country we didn't get a better ref.

[benjii]

Worst refereeing I have seen until Spurs were denied a completely legit goal because the ref and lino don't know the fecking rules!!!!!!

 

What happened?

[Legod Third Coming]

What happened?

 

It's hard to explain but Defoe was off-side in one phase of play, then he came back on side, the defender lost the ball played it to the keeper who also lost it to Defoe who then scored, then the flag went up for the off-side in the previous phase of play...

[John B]

Worst refereeing I have seen until Spurs were denied a completely legit goal because the ref and lino don't know the fecking rules!!!!!!

 

It's pathetic.

 

It's time refs were all 100% full time professional paid accordingly and supported by video technology.

 

If some to55er grabbed me by the throat I would fecking deck him too.

 

Unfortunately you are not allowed to do - it is not like Rugby where the referee uses judgement it just does not happen in football.

 

Of course refs do not make errors but most of his decisions were correct.

 

The tone of the match changed directly James got involved when he should not have and got booked

[Professor]

Blaming referees is just so childish. The referee is part of the game and referees are human, ie not perfect, but the rules of the game are that what the ref says goes. Referees do not change their decisions because a player starts shouting at them, if they did they'd have to change decisions all the time! Good managers will explain to players that refs should only be approached by the captain and only then to ask him to consult an assistant. A ref will change a decision if an assistant advises him, but not faced with an angry player because he will lose control of the game.

Bobby Charlton went his whole career without being booked once - it could still be done if players were to use more common sense.

[benjii]

It's hard to explain but Defoe was off-side in one phase of play, then he came back on side, the defender lost the ball played it to the keeper who also lost it to Defoe who then scored, then the flag went up for the off-side in the previous phase of play...

 

So you're telling me I've been cheated out of 4 Fantasy League points!!??

 

FFS, I'm fuming :mad:

[benjii]

Blaming referees is just so childish. The referee is part of the game and referees are human, ie not perfect, but the rules of the game are that what the ref says goes. Referees do not change their decisions because a player starts shouting at them, if they did they'd have to change decisions all the time! Good managers will explain to players that refs should only be approached by the captain and only then to ask him to consult an assistant. A ref will change a decision if an assistant advises him, but not faced with an angry player because he will lose control of the game.

Bobby Charlton went his whole career without being booked once - it could still be done if players were to use more common sense.

 

 

No one's "blaming" him; we won FFS!

 

Some people are just pointing out that, in their opinion, he wasn't very good. It's part of the fun of watching football!

[Legod Third Coming]

Blaming referees is just so childish. The referee is part of the game and referees are human, ie not perfect, but the rules of the game are that what the ref says goes. Referees do not change their decisions because a player starts shouting at them, if they did they'd have to change decisions all the time! Good managers will explain to players that refs should only be approached by the captain and only then to ask him to consult an assistant. A ref will change a decision if an assistant advises him, but not faced with an angry player because he will lose control of the game.

Bobby Charlton went his whole career without being booked once - it could still be done if players were to use more common sense.

 

Agreed, irrespective of incompetence, the ref's decision is final.

Players should respect that even where they don't respect the ref.

Captains should be able to approach the referee and question any decision to have it explained, but that's it.

[Legod Third Coming]

So you're telling me I've been cheated out of 4 Fantasy League points!!??

 

FFS, I'm fuming :mad:

 

It was a shocker!!!!

I'm actually not a fan of tv refs in any sport, but for issues like that... It's not like it was marginal, it was a total misapplication of the rules.

[brightspark]

I can tell Brightspark you have never played the game.....if someone grabs you by the shirt and throat you never respond???

In the heat of the moment in a tense area final????

So easy sat on your arse at home to criticise - I though we battled superbly and great to see us get stuck in and not be the pushovers we were under JP and Wotte.

 

So every time someone pushes you, it is a natural reaction to go and get sent off??? Yeah right, push him in the chest if he must, not the blooming face!!!

 

Am also happy to see more fight in the players especially Schniederlin but this red card was not the refs fault nor the sly Dons player, it was MS for ultimately commiting the needless offence - by the book its a red whether you like it or not.

[st alex]

Blaming referees is just so childish. The referee is part of the game and referees are human, ie not perfect, but the rules of the game are that what the ref says goes. Referees do not change their decisions because a player starts shouting at them, if they did they'd have to change decisions all the time! Good managers will explain to players that refs should only be approached by the captain and only then to ask him to consult an assistant. A ref will change a decision if an assistant advises him, but not faced with an angry player because he will lose control of the game.

Bobby Charlton went his whole career without being booked once - it could still be done if players were to use more common sense.

 

Fair point, Lineker also never got booked, and its great to think that players could do that, althought Charlton and Lineker wouldn't haved needed to do much to get booked today.

 

Just curious, but who was captain tonight? Was it Kelv? is he entitled to come out of his goal to break up a fracar?

[Give it to Ron]

So every time someone pushes you, it is a natural reaction to go and get sent off??? Yeah right, push him in the chest if he must, not the blooming face!!!

 

Am also happy to see more fight in the players especially Schniederlin but this red card was not the refs fault nor the sly Dons player, it was MS for ultimately commiting the needless offence - by the book its a red whether you like it or not.

 

Well done totally ignoring the fact he got you by the shirt and throat - I am not saying it was right just that there were mitigating circumstances that you are ignoring.

[brightspark]

Just curious, but who was captain tonight? Was it Kelv? is he entitled to come out of his goal to break up a fracar?

 

It was Fonte actually, and he was extremely vocal from what I heard on the TV. So a good decision by Pardew.

 

BTW, a captain has a right to talk to the referee and "enquire" but not too push people about in a fracas! They are still a player

[John B]

Well done totally ignoring the fact he got you by the shirt and throat - I am not saying it was right just that there were mitigating circumstances that you are ignoring.

 

The problem is the in Football there does not seem to be any mitigating the refs have to stick to the rules or they are reported

[doggface]

Ref and lino on the right were shocking

[Give it to Ron]

The problem is the in Football there does not seem to be any mitigating the refs have to stick to the rules or they are reported

 

Shame they don't get reported for sh1te decisons like overruling linesmen ala James getting kicked which was a carbon copy of the Man Utd penalty against us the other year.

Stonewall handball poor positoning by the ref again.....

 

I have referee'd many games and this guy was shocking!

[Pat from Poole]

Blaming referees is just so childish. The referee is part of the game and referees are human, ie not perfect, but the rules of the game are that what the ref says goes. Referees do not change their decisions because a player starts shouting at them, if they did they'd have to change decisions all the time! Good managers will explain to players that refs should only be approached by the captain and only then to ask him to consult an assistant. A ref will change a decision if an assistant advises him, but not faced with an angry player because he will lose control of the game.

Bobby Charlton went his whole career without being booked once - it could still be done if players were to use more common sense.

 

 

Bobby Charlton played in an era when you almost had to decpaitate somebody to get booked, so it's not really a relevant argument. I'd far rather watch a Saints team which isn't bullied away from home. Makes a real nice change.

[Thedelldays]

crap ref, harsh red