Martin Samuel, Daily Mail on Coretese: "self serving" and a "buffoon"

[trousers]

Link to follow

[thesaint sfc]

thanks

[trousers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1260144/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Alan-Pardew-proper-Saint-little-monster-Cortese.html

[JustMike]

that guy is an absolute arse anyway. Probably has never even met NC.

[JibMcdo]

Have I missed something? Has Pardew been sacked?

[trousers]

Whoops...typo in the title...

[channonball]

Tomorrows fish and chip paper. Who gives a f*** what he thinks.

[lambertsrightleg]

wouldn't really disagree with that article.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1260144/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Alan-Pardew-proper-Saint-little-monster-Cortese.html

 

Hmmm, I have been slightly worried by Cortese's recent interviews (or is this a re-hash of the January one), as I do think he is being unreasonable. I agre, to an extent, with what Samuel is saying, but I don't agree with the way it has been articulated.

[chrisobee]

wouldn't really disagree with that article.

 

No, me neither.

[saintfully]

Daily Mail in crappy provocative journalism shock.

[yorkie]

Wasn't this guy a bit of a Lowe Luvvie?

 

Not even going to bother to read the article - and someone has already said tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

[Wade Garrett]

Nothing wrong with keeping your staff on their toes. It would be another matter if he actually sacked Pardew, and he hasn't. Not many of us are exactly pleased about points being dropped to the likes of Exeter, Wycombe, Tranmere and the like. At the same time most of us would be horrified if Pardew left the club.

 

Samuel hates Saints, he is a bit of a prat who writes for a joke newspaper.

[Armitage Shanks]

Don't normally like Martin Samuel but I agree with everything he says in there. He's bang on the money. We did well to get Pardew considering the state we were in last summer. We now need to hang on to him. He will get us up next season. Two years in the Championship and then the Premiership. Cortese's five year plan completed. Easy.

[trousers]

Wasn't this guy a bit of a Lowe Luvvie?

 

 

That was/is Charles Sale. Samuel labels Lowe as "delightful" (In the sarcastic sense)

Edited 24 March, 2010 by trousers

[Block 5]

All a bit OTT really.

 

But it is the Daily Mail and Cortese is an immigrant.

Edited 24 March, 2010 by Block 5

[sadoldgit]

Doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Pardew has done a good job so far and Cortese doesn't see that. Cortese, like Lowe, is not a football man and speaks like a businessman expecting an instant return on his investment. That is his right of course but really he should shut up, stay in the background and support his manager.

 

Good article from someone I don't usually care to read.

[Graffito]

Cortese's public comments on Pardew sit at odds with his actions, he's backed Pardew's judgement in the transfer market. You could argue that actions speak louder than words but if a PL club comes in for Pardew he may well go especially if he feels unappreciated. As for the article, I agree with a comment above, it makes some useful points but I didn't like the manner in which they are made. I thought this bit was telling "Then there is Southampton, where the delightful Rupert Lowe was followed by a succession of wealthy populists who claimed to have the interests of the club at heart but succeeded only in running it into the ground".

[sadoldgit]

Nothing wrong with keeping your staff on their toes. It would be another matter if he actually sacked Pardew, and he hasn't. Not many of us are exactly pleased about points being dropped to the likes of Exeter, Wycombe, Tranmere and the like. At the same time most of us would be horrified if Pardew left the club.

 

Samuel hates Saints, he is a bit of a prat who writes for a joke newspaper.

 

He actually writes in praise of Pardew and our season so far doesn't he?

[sadoldgit]

Cortese's public comments on Pardew sit at odds with his actions, he's backed Pardew's judgement in the transfer market. You could argue that actions speak louder than words but if a PL club comes in for Pardew he may well go especially if he feels unappreciated. As for the article, I agree with a comment above, it makes some useful points but I didn't like the manner in which they are made. I thought this bit was telling "Then there is Southampton, where the delightful Rupert Lowe was followed by a succession of wealthy populists who claimed to have the interests of the club at heart but succeeded only in running it into the ground".

 

That sounded very tongue in cheek to me!

[doggface]

No Samuel hates lowe, I think he sued Samuel once for liabal?

[trousers]

As an amateur social observer, it's always intrigued me how people react to newspaper articles. If the article slags off something they like then the reaction is typically: "crap article" whereas if it's complimentary it's: "great article"

[Graffito]

That sounded very tongue in cheek to me!

 

Yeah you're right. On reflection, it's sarcasm.

[JustMike]

Doesn't seem unreasonable at all. Pardew has done a good job so far and Cortese doesn't see that. Cortese, like Lowe, is not a football man and speaks like a businessman expecting an instant return on his investment. That is his right of course but really he should shut up, stay in the background and support his manager.

 

Good article from someone I don't usually care to read.

 

Sorry but dont agree. Samuel has picked out bits and pieces and left out the real message that NC was getting across. We should have done better, with the money we have spent and even if we add back on the 10 points we are still some way off of Leeds and Norwich for example, something which we have been discussing on here for weeks. That ueis all NC is getting at, then Samuel brands him as "self serving and a buffoon"! bit harsh imo.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

For anyone thinking that Martin Samuel is being anything other than sarcastic about Lowe, please shut up. They hate each other with a passion. Don't forget that Lowe sued the Times over an article written by Martin Samuel.

[dubai_phil]

It is actually a quite well put together opinion. He uses information in the public domain from his interview and analyses it, nothing wrong with that.

 

Nothing in there is anti-Saints, and it reflects many of the discussions and threads we have had on here the past months. If anything it is highly supportive of AP.

 

His final conclusion is where I would critique him, that seems spiteful, but up to that point there isn't much in the article that doesn't apply to many on here with their differing but valid "We should win at Wycombe/Tranmere" opinions.

 

Agree with all Wade says, nothing wrong with keeping your staff on their toes, but I would add as long as it doesn't force them to use their toes to walk at the first chance to get out. Pressure and spirit when balanced well help to make good morale, too much can break morale, I think ATM NC from what we can see has the balance about right.

 

What IS interesting though is that we are starting to attract publicity and debate.

 

That has been a long time coming and long may it happen.

[dubai_phil]

to be fair to Samuel he does call our demise spot on, many have focused on the dig at Lowe but he is equally condescending about the rest of the crew that fecked it up

 

Then there is Southampton, where the delightful Rupert Lowe was followed by a succession of wealthy populists who claimed to have the interests of the club at heart but succeeded only in running it into the ground

 

That is as equally spot on as the Lowe blow

[sadoldgit]

Sorry but dont agree. Samuel has picked out bits and pieces and left out the real message that NC was getting across. We should have done better, with the money we have spent and even if we add back on the 10 points we are still some way off of Leeds and Norwich for example, something which we have been discussing on here for weeks. That ueis all NC is getting at, then Samuel brands him as "self serving and a buffoon"! bit harsh imo.

 

I think he got the essence just right. It is the about the money. We were on our knees and Pardew is rebuidling. If you look at the stats we have had a good season so far given the starting point but no mention of that at all by Cortese. Cortese speaks like the sort o disgruntled fan on a website who thinks that because he spend some cash you should automatically win matches. As we all know, it doesn't actually work like that.

 

Fair play to Samuel for backing up Pardew. Something that his boss seems unable to bring himself to do.

[Graffito]

to be fair to Samuel he does call our demise spot on, many have focused on the dig at Lowe but he is equally condescending about the rest of the crew that fecked it up

 

 

 

That is as equally spot on as the Lowe blow

 

Except that they weren't wealthy...or is that sarcasm as well?

[itchen]

In my wishy-washy liberal way I can see both sides. Cortese says we should have done better and I don't think any of us would disagree with that. Most of us can see why we are where we are and the history that got us there but, yes, we should have done better. And nowhere does this artcle, or the one by Cortese it is based on, quote any direct criticism of Pardew. That is Samuels' interpretation and his interpretation is no more valid than yours or mine. Less so, considering it appears in the Daily Heil.

 

So, yes, the chairman should support the manager. And, no, there's nothing in this article to say that he doesn't.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Why anyone believes anything that is written in this paper is beyond me. Having twice had reporters banging on my front door in recent weeks and seeing a pack of lies written and published about me on Monday I can vouch for this newspapers absolute dis regard for the truth and penchance for nasty mischief making.

 

Anyone who buys this very unpleasant rag should be ashamed.

 

Is there really any point in calling Cortese a buffoon?

 

Love to see Cortese take on the Mail and ban it from SMS.

[SO16_Saint]

Christ, if an outsider were to read that, which they obviously will, it will look like NC is a complete c*nt - which IMO he's not.

 

He's out spoken, business like, professional, driven, successful, challenging - yes.

 

But he's also the boss and he can, no, should expect that of his staff too.

 

Good.

 

Have we under achieved this season? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on what criteria you wish to use to define 'under achievement'.

 

For me - no, we haven't under achieved. I expected us to be upper mid table this season and that appears to be where we are heading.

 

I did NOT expect us to be in a cup final (because that's what it is) and so for me - im delighted at what we've achieved this season, and cant wait for next season when we WILL be challenging for the title.

 

So IMO it's right for a manager (of any business) to have a reality check now and again to keep you on your toes and keep wanting to do better.

 

Long may it continue.

[Third Division South Days]

What makes me think this article has been sourced from a certain Mr Murray?

[Window Cleaner]

What makes me think this article has been sourced from a certain Mr Murray?

 

Well apparently a certain Mr Le Tissier has been sounding off to any one who cares to listen on the subject of Mr Cortese as well.

[warsash saint]

Without sounding like Alpine/Glasgow, I gotta agree with Cortese on this one

 

With the money we have spent, then we should be better placed.....ignore the 10 point deduction & we would still be outside the play-offs. I agree that the early part of season was a rebuilding phase, but with the money we have spent then we should not be losing away at teams like Tranmere.

 

This is not an anti Pardew post - I just think that Cortese is right in keeping players/managers focused.

 

A totally OTT acticle as usual by this rag !

Edited 24 March, 2010 by warsash saint

[The9]

Very strange angle on the whole thing.

 

Even where he uses stats in the middle to illustrate that we've been much more unsettled than Charlton, he notes that we had 5 of the same starters compared to their 7 compared to the previous season.

 

This hardly seems like a massive difference to begin with, and he then all but ignores Norwich's success without suggesting how many of their '09 team they've kept - presumably because it doesn't fit the argument.

 

There are loads of better stats to support the destabilised club argument, and it's obvious that Samuel's just decided that should be the comparison and used weasel words to try and make it fit around his point. As such, I'm not sure its any different to the rest of the article.

[Saint_Jonny]

wouldn't really disagree with that article.

 

This.

[docker-p]

Why anyone believes anything that is written in this paper is beyond me. Having twice had reporters banging on my front door in recent weeks and seeing a pack of lies written and published about me on Monday I can vouch for this newspapers absolute dis regard for the truth and penchance for nasty mischief making.

 

Anyone who buys this very unpleasant rag should be ashamed.

 

Is there really any point in calling Cortese a buffoon?

 

Love to see Cortese take on the Mail and ban it from SMS.

Couldn't agree more. Pointless low-brow paper, read by middle management and OAPs unable to form a coherent argument of their own; but happy to soak up the rabid right wing views of it's owner to explain their career failings and their pointless existence.

[solentstars]

All a bit OTT really.

 

But it is the Daily Mail and Cortese is an immigrant.

 

yes crap small minded hate paper for make believe snobs

[St Landrew]

Cortese's public comments on Pardew sit at odds with his actions, he's backed Pardew's judgement in the transfer market. You could argue that actions speak louder than words but if a PL club comes in for Pardew he may well go especially if he feels unappreciated. As for the article, I agree with a comment above, it makes some useful points but I didn't like the manner in which they are made. I thought this bit was telling "Then there is Southampton, where the delightful Rupert Lowe was followed by a succession of wealthy populists who claimed to have the interests of the club at heart but succeeded only in running it into the ground".

 

Indeed..! I was with the article, upto that point. Then I knew it to be an entire piece of propaganda. For the last time, go away Rupert. You'll find no support here.

[MongoNeil]

All a bit OTT really.

 

But it is the Daily Mail and Cortese is an immigrant.

 

Hahaha, bang on!

[solentstars]

Why anyone believes anything that is written in this paper is beyond me. Having twice had reporters banging on my front door in recent weeks and seeing a pack of lies written and published about me on Monday I can vouch for this newspapers absolute dis regard for the truth and penchance for nasty mischief making.

 

Anyone who buys this very unpleasant rag should be ashamed.

 

Is there really any point in calling Cortese a buffoon?

 

Love to see Cortese take on the Mail and ban it from SMS.

i agree the paper seems full of right wing nutters who love to print lie after lie.i cannot believe any normal person buys this sorry paper.

haveing had dealings in the past with this extreme paper which printed lies about a dispute back in the 80.s.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

As an amateur social observer, it's always intrigued me how people react to newspaper articles. If the article slags off something they like then the reaction is typically: "crap article" whereas if it's complimentary it's: "great article"

 

Crap post.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

Crap post.

 

Great post.

[OldNick]

Indeed..! I was with the article, upto that point. Then I knew it to be an entire piece of propaganda. For the last time, go away Rupert. You'll find no support here.

that was sarcasm as Samuel absolutely hates RL.

Samuel is a West Ham fan and no doubt has AP as a contact from his days there.

I get the feeling that AP will leave in the summer for 1 reason and that would be due to his relationship with NC.

I can see both sides of the arguement, NC says we have given away a lot of cheap points this season and due to that we are not close to the play offs.

Ap has had to try an knit together a new set of players. So both have valid arguements.

I hope htey both can keep this in house.

Interestingly though after listening to NC's interview for Solent he has made safeguards if a manger leaves as the scouting network finds the players and helps make a decision if we buy .

Therefore if the manager odes leave for better things you stil can build from where you already are.

[alpine_saint]

Good article from someone I don't usually care to read.

 

And you accuse others of having an agenda.

 

Samuel is an arse that continually writes inflammatory sh*t.

[Torrent Of Abuse]

It is a bit ridiculous how Cortese is portrayed as someone who enjoys boiling down the complexities of the game to something like a spreadsheet but the manner in which Samuel chooses to write his article does exactly the same thing: boiling Cortese's character down to a charicature.

 

He makes some valid points in there. Cortese does need to calm down and he is impatient but then if he does pull off infusing Saints with ambition, journos like Samuel will be fighting to be first in line to get a quote off him.

 

Another day. Another story.

That's journalism for you.

[St Landrew]

that was sarcasm as Samuel absolutely hates RL.

Samuel is a West Ham fan and no doubt has AP as a contact from his days there.

I get the feeling that AP will leave in the summer for 1 reason and that would be due to his relationship with NC.

I can see both sides of the arguement, NC says we have given away a lot of cheap points this season and due to that we are not close to the play offs.

Ap has had to try an knit together a new set of players. So both have valid arguements.

I hope htey both can keep this in house.

Interestingly though after listening to NC's interview for Solent he has made safeguards if a manger leaves as the scouting network finds the players and helps make a decision if we buy .

Therefore if the manager odes leave for better things you stil can build from where you already are.

 

Yeah, having re-read the article, I'd probably agree about the dislike of Rupert Lowe. It's not a good idea to be assessing an article when you're running around looking for socks and an a clean shirt to iron. Ah well... that'll teach me.

[OldNick]

Why anyone believes anything that is written in this paper is beyond me. Having twice had reporters banging on my front door in recent weeks and seeing a pack of lies written and published about me on Monday I can vouch for this newspapers absolute dis regard for the truth and penchance for nasty mischief making.

 

Anyone who buys this very unpleasant rag should be ashamed.

 

Is there really any point in calling Cortese a buffoon?

 

Love to see Cortese take on the Mail and ban it from SMS.

have oyu a link to that FF?

I havent seen it posted on here.

[Ken Tone]

It appears the aritcle was written following NC's interview with Solent... second hand journalism again.

 

I presume we've all heard that in full?

 

Is the article a fair reflection of the interview ? No IMO

 

Do care I what the Mail says anyway? No.

 

K.