Guly's performance.

[Deanovski]

I have seen people slating him who were never even at the game last night. Basically he did not need Harding moaning at him in his first game over nothing, which we know he has done to ball boys before.

Basically he was one of our best players, tidy touch, passing, hold up play, good in the air and quick. You can tell he was rather bewildered and frustrated but with the right manager he's class above this league.

[Hatch]

I have seen people slating him who were never even at the game last night. Basically he did not need Harding moaning at him in his first game over nothing, which we know he has done to ball boys before.

Basically he was one of our best players, tidy touch, passing, hold up play, good in the air and quick. You can tell he was rather bewildered and frustrated but with the right manager he's class above this league.

 

drunkard!

[hypochondriac]

Wow. Just wow. I mean he was played out of position but to actually say he was one of our best players last night... Words fail me.

[Deanovski]

Wow. Just wow. I mean he was played out of position but to actually say he was one of our best players last night... Words fail me.

 

Haha oh do tell just who was better Hypo?

[northam soul]

I too think he was not as bad as some on here make out. He is used to a different style of football and was played in an unfamiliar position i believe. He will need a few games to adjust but i saw enough to believe he could be useful for us.

I agree about harding having a go in the first half, give the poor bloke a chance for gods sake.

[benjii]

I suppose a pertinent question would be:

 

"did he do a better job as a left winger than Hammond, Schneiderlin or Wotton would have done?" I suspect the answer is "yes". That's not to say he should have played there ahead of Dickson or Mills but it also doesn't follow that he's crap or not a very good CM.

 

Funnily enough, Barney's red card might turn out to be a good thing as it would have been a brave decision to drop him, or MS or DH to accommodate Guly in the centre but it is suddenly a lot easier to pick a 4-5-1 formation.

[Andy_Porter]

What a ridiculous post.

 

I hope he's got enough about him that he will improve over the next few months but at the moment Dickson should be in the team ahead of him, he wasn't very good. I don't like judge a player on two games so will give him time. I will say he looks like a proper athlete, quick, strong and tall if he has some sort of football brain and can get used to the league and language hopefully he might meet our expectations and earn himself a contract.

[Deanovski]

Also some of his runs were more intelligent than any of our plays have done and no bugger would pass to him!

[hypochondriac]

Haha oh do tell just who was better Hypo?

 

Most of the team were awful last night but for me he was the 2nd worst players behind Jaidi. 75% of the time he gave the ball away or it went out of play. So people better than him last night:

 

Davis, Butterfield, Fonte, Harding, Dickson, Chamberlin, Hammond, Schneiderlin, Barnard

 

On second thoughts I'll give you Lambert who was equally poor.

[Deanovski]

What a ridiculous post.

 

I hope he's got enough about him that he will improve over the next few months but at the moment Dickson should be in the team ahead of him, he wasn't very good. I don't like judge a player on two games so will give him time. I will say he looks like a proper athlete, quick, strong and tall if he has some sort of football brain and can get used to the league and language hopefully he might meet our expectations and earn himself a contract.

 

Dickson has done nothing to prove he should be in our first 11 and i rate him more than others, Guly looked better IMO.

[Deanovski]

Most of the team were awful last night but for me he was the 2nd worst players behind Jaidi. 75% of the time he gave the ball away or it went out of play. So people better than him last night:

 

Davis, Butterfield, Fonte, Harding, Dickson, Chamberlin, Hammond, Schneiderlin, Barnard

 

On second thoughts I'll give you Lambert who was equally poor.

 

Schneiderlin who I really rate was AWFUL.

Barnard got sent off.

Chamberlin looked amazing tbf.

Butterfield was okay.

Hammond was okay.

Fonte didnt have a great game.

Harding wasnt his best game.

Dickson was okay.

[Andy_Porter]

Dickson has done nothing to prove he should be in our first 11 and i rate him more than others, Guly looked better IMO.

 

Guly didn't show any desire and put in a distinct lack of effort IMO, worst possible game for him to make his first start mind. I'm sure there will be more to come when he starts to adapt. A lot of top manager say you can't expect anything from a foreign player during the first 6-12 months, that's what makes these loans bizarre, you can't expect the lad to adapt and show his best from in a new country in such a short space of time. Same with Waigo I bet he would be a lot stronger this season if we had signed him permanently.

[The9]

I have seen people slating him who were never even at the game last night. Basically he did not need Harding moaning at him in his first game over nothing, which we know he has done to ball boys before.

Basically he was one of our best players, tidy touch, passing, hold up play, good in the air and quick. You can tell he was rather bewildered and frustrated but with the right manager he's class above this league.

 

No, no he wasn't. And if he was the rest of them were diabolical.

 

Firstly he was out of position, so a bit unfair to judge. I'm assuming that was to break him into League One football gently rather than play him in the hurly-burly in the middle immediately, he's used to having more time and always getting the ball to feet and that was obvious.

 

I'll give you quick (when he chose to run) and good in the air. His touch was also fine, but he lost the ball too much in possession from trying tricks to suggest hold up play was good, and his languid style is going to REALLY annoy some people.

 

I think he's got potential but he needs to add workrate or up his speed of distribution and make himself more available for passes.

[manji]

Poor guy played out of position.Only an idiot would judge him on that game.

[hypochondriac]

Schneiderlin who I really rate was AWFUL. But IMO a lot better than Guly who gave the ball away 75% of the time

Barnard got sent off. Unjustly IMO. I accept you could say he wasn't better because of this.

Chamberlin looked amazing tbf.

Butterfield was okay. So better than Guly

Hammond was okay. So better than Guly

Fonte didnt have a great game. I disagree. Tought he looked calm and assured as always for the majority of the time

Harding wasnt his best game. But better than Guly

Dickson was okay.

So better than Guly

 

I never said they were good, just better than Guly.

[Deanovski]

Guly didn't show any desire and put in a distinct lack of effort IMO, worst possible game for him to make his first start mind. I'm sure there will be more to come when he starts to adapt. A lot of top manager say you can't expect anything from a foreign player during the first 6-12 months, that's what makes these loans bizarre, you can't expect the lad to adapt and show his best from in a new country in such a short space of time. Same with Waigo I bet he would be a lot stronger this season if we had signed him permanently.

 

Agreed Guly didn't looked interested but then would do something.

[hypochondriac]

Also he seemed really lazy. No desire to run or chase the ball. I hope he improves.

[Deanovski]

I may be very special, i cant remember him being caught on the ball as much as every one is saying.

Puncheon on the other hand..

[hypochondriac]

Puncheon seemed a lot better than Guly. Are you sure you weren't getting confused between the two?

[Deanovski]

Puncheon seemed a lot better than Guly. Are you sure you weren't getting confused between the two?

 

Nah guly looks alot more like jason euell in build, even holds his arms in the same manner haha.

[hypochondriac]

Amazing how wildly opinions can vary about players.

[Deanovski]

Amazing how wildly opinions can vary about players.

 

Okay tbf when i say best players i meant better players. I think he is deceiving when you think he's not interested he will make a run and his passing was pretty good imo, you could also see at the end of the 1st half his skill when he skinned that player.

[hypochondriac]

Okay tbf when i say best players i meant better players. I think he is deceiving when you think he's not interested he will make a run and his passing was pretty good imo, you could also see at the end of the 1st half his skill when he skinned that player.

 

In fairness I can't recall that bit. I was paying close attention to him for most of the evening and with my mate we discussed what he had just done every time he got the ball. I think there were maybe 2 good things in the 2nd half when he won two corners. Virtually everything else that I remember was head in hands or chuckling to yourself stuff. I genuinely think he was really bad and one of if not our worst player on the pitch. Having said that he was playing out of position and it is early days. I hope he improves!

[positivepete]

I have seen people slating him who were never even at the game last night. Basically he did not need Harding moaning at him in his first game over nothing, which we know he has done to ball boys before.

Basically he was one of our best players, tidy touch, passing, hold up play, good in the air and quick. You can tell he was rather bewildered and frustrated but with the right manager he's class above this league.

 

Also some of his runs were more intelligent than any of our plays have done and no bugger would pass to him!

 

I have to agree with these comments. He looked a bit lost at the start of the match, and clearly was more comfortable when he moved inside, but he did well in the second half. He will take time to adapt, but not all teams in our division close down as high up the pitch as effectively as Swindon.

[Deanovski]

In fairness I can't recall that bit. I was paying close attention to him for most of the evening and with my mate we discussed what he had just done every time he got the ball. I think there were maybe 2 good things in the 2nd half when he won two corners. Virtually everything else that I remember was head in hands or chuckling to yourself stuff. I genuinely think he was really bad and one of if not our worst player on the pitch. Having said that he was playing out of position and it is early days. I hope he improves!

 

He turned back skinned a defender cut in shot and won a corner?

[derry]

A ludicrous decision to sign a right footed central midfielder and play him left midfield. Especially so when Schneiderlin's only offering was strolling around and passing sideways and back even at 0-2. Neither central midfielder made much attempt to get up with the strikers especially as Lambert still has the groin injury aned really should be rested. The changes we made were bizarre, Puncheon should have been moved wide left, Chamberlain wide right, Barnard replace Lambert and Guly replace Scneiderlin to give it a go. Instead we stayed with two sitting midfielders and the immobile Lambert and went three at the back. I think Guly showed enough last night to be an attacking asset in central midfield.

[Toomer]

A ludicrous decision to sign a right footed central midfielder and play him left midfield. Especially so when Schneiderlin's only offering was strolling around and passing sideways and back even at 0-2. Neither central midfielder made much attempt to get up with the strikers especially as Lambert still has the groin injury aned really should be rested. The changes we made were bizarre, Puncheon should have been moved wide left, Chamberlain wide right, Barnard replace Lambert and Guly replace Scneiderlin to give it a go. Instead we stayed with two sitting midfielders and the immobile Lambert and went three at the back. I think Guly showed enough last night to be an attacking asset in central midfield.

 

Agree with some of the above points, played out on the left (out of position) kept drifting infield.

[NickG]

Rabbit in headlights at the start of the game

No-one passing to him

was struggling to get into the game and didn't look happy

 

KD looked keen to get the ball passed to him

 

caught in possession too many times, wanted to slow game down

 

some very neat one touch passes and keen to take his man on.

 

cut in well in first half beating players into penalty box and pulling ball back for probably best chance we had.

 

Won lots in the air when drifted inside, looked very quick.

 

hard game to come into - particularly if Harding is playing behind you and was in strop.

[S-Clarke]

A ludicrous decision to sign a right footed central midfielder and play him left midfield. Especially so when Schneiderlin's only offering was strolling around and passing sideways and back even at 0-2. Neither central midfielder made much attempt to get up with the strikers especially as Lambert still has the groin injury aned really should be rested. The changes we made were bizarre, Puncheon should have been moved wide left, Chamberlain wide right, Barnard replace Lambert and Guly replace Scneiderlin to give it a go. Instead we stayed with two sitting midfielders and the immobile Lambert and went three at the back. I think Guly showed enough last night to be an attacking asset in central midfield.

 

I've never understood why we keep playing Puncheon on the right.

 

He is a left footed player, so why do we never use him there? He is dangerous on the right but it's often counteracted by the fact he has to cut inside.

[The Godfather]

Poor guy played out of position.Only an idiot would judge him on that game.

 

Spot on. Wasn't great but wasn't bad either, it would be good to see him in his proper position.

[Blandford saint]

I can understand Harding getting frustrated with him - he just wasn't putting in the effort that Dan was. Far too languid - vast improvement needed before I'll be happy.

[NickG]

Nah guly looks alot more like jason euell in build, even holds his arms in the same manner haha.

 

Guly looks like Euell??

[BARCELONASAINT]

I was at the game last night and i'm sorry but this guy was horrendous, he looked so out of his depth. He recieved the ball and immediately passed it backwards 9/10. For a big bloke he looks like he's made of China. And yes he did lose possesion loads, the first goal came about because he lost possesion on the wing and they subsequently scored. How the hell he lasted 70 odd minutes god only knows. Our 17 year old kid Chamberlain is miles better than this Guly....thank god he is only on loan and we can send him back.

I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he was played out of position, he hasnt had much time to settle and doesnt speak a word of English.....but that was a horrendous start!!

[Deanovski]

I was at the game last night and i'm sorry but this guy was horrendous, he looked so out of his depth. He recieved the ball and immediately passed it backwards 9/10. For a big bloke he looks like he's made of China. And yes he did lose possesion loads, the first goal came about because he lost possesion on the wing and they subsequently scored. How the hell he lasted 70 odd minutes god only knows. Our 17 year old kid Chamberlain is miles better than this Guly....thank god he is only on loan and we can send him back.

I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he was played out of position, he hasnt had much time to settle and doesnt speak a word of English.....but that was a horrendous start!!

 

Alot of his passes were one touch to harding and hammond.

[John Boy Saint]

I was at the game last night and i'm sorry but this guy was horrendous, he looked so out of his depth. He recieved the ball and immediately passed it backwards 9/10. For a big bloke he looks like he's made of China. And yes he did lose possesion loads, the first goal came about because he lost possesion on the wing and they subsequently scored. How the hell he lasted 70 odd minutes god only knows. Our 17 year old kid Chamberlain is miles better than this Guly....thank god he is only on loan and we can send him back.

I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that he was played out of position, he hasnt had much time to settle and doesnt speak a word of English.....but that was a horrendous start!!

I think that was a close summary to what a few us sat together who go regularly said, in this league you have to get your shorts dirty and a few times he could of closed down but decided to retreat. As for language issues Fonte covers that little issue off and was doing so on a few occasions.

 

I agree give him the benefit of the doubt being the new boy in a rufty tufty league.................................. However you could not help thinking that his arrival had a hand in the recent events.

[The9]

Poor guy played out of position.Only an idiot would judge him on that game.

 

Less idiotic than judging him without having seen him at all.

[derry]

I've never understood why we keep playing Puncheon on the right.

 

He is a left footed player, so why do we never use him there? He is dangerous on the right but it's often counteracted by the fact he has to cut inside.

 

It seems like the latest tactical fad. We were pulled part last night by crosses from the byeline, good old fashioned play which we are unable to do. We are too narrow and don't have enough movement, interchange etc. I found out yesterday that we don't practice set plays either defensive or offensive. We need a proper footballing manager to pull this team together and refocus on movement, width, and slick set plays.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by derry

[SuperMikey]

Why would DW play Guly on the left and Puncheon on the right, when Guly can actually play on the right and Puncheon is a natural left winger? F*cking baffling.

[derry]

Why would DW play Guly on the left and Puncheon on the right, when Guly can actually play on the right and Puncheon is a natural left winger? F*cking baffling.

 

Pardew did it all the time. Why is it that caretaker managers in the main turn out to be useless tossers?

[SuperMikey]

Pardew did it all the time. Why is it that caretaker managers in the main turn out to be useless tossers?

 

But tbf, Pards did it with Lallana and Puncheon. Lallana scored 20 goals for us from LM last season, and can use his left foot. Guly can't.

[Lets B Avenue]

Poor guy played out of position.Only an idiot would judge him on that game.

 

And lo, it came to pass. The very next post.

 

So better than Guly

 

I never said they were good, just better than Guly.

[Liquidshokk]

I have seen people slating him who were never even at the game last night. Basically he did not need Harding moaning at him in his first game over nothing, which we know he has done to ball boys before.

Basically he was one of our best players, tidy touch, passing, hold up play, good in the air and quick. You can tell he was rather bewildered and frustrated but with the right manager he's class above this league.

 

Im more concerned about Hardings apparent attitude problem. Whats his beef anyway? Was the first time Ive seen him have moan at a ball ball last night, for no reason at all. Seems he has a reputation for it.... madness.

[jamesfp1]

He was absolutely woeful, he created the first two goals ffs. Great throughball to set up the cross for the first, gave away the free kick (awful tackle) which led to the second. Touch was awful, every pass was off and his team mates had to chase the ball, kept trying to showboat and ended up putting it out of play on multiple occasions.

 

You could see he was frustrated and Harding did give him a bit of a bad time, worst home debut I've seen though. Surely cant get any worse.

[explorer saint]

A cross between Ali Dia and George Lawrence, come to mind but willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt so more verging toward Chicken George rather than Dia

[Liquidshokk]

One of the reasons for someones attack of him on another thread was that he cant speak a word of english.... wasnt his good english one of the reasons pardew listed for taking him on???

[Deanovski]

He was absolutely woeful, he created the first two goals ffs. Great throughball to set up the cross for the first, gave away the free kick (awful tackle) which led to the second. Touch was awful, every pass was off and his team mates had to chase the ball, kept trying to showboat and ended up putting it out of play on multiple occasions.

 

You could see he was frustrated and Harding did give him a bit of a bad time, worst home debut I've seen though. Surely cant get any worse.

 

He hardly tried to show boat often, and bad touch and pass?really..?

[Stu Man Do]

Do you think our scouts misheard and hes actually from Brizzzzle not Braaazil? ;-)

 

Never a winger! Seemed to me like Harding lost all faith in him to do anything after 20 mins and just stopped passing to him!

[hypochondriac]

And lo, it came to pass. The very next post.

 

Oh do quiet down. If you bother to read the rest of my posts on this thread I have not 'judged' him. I have given my analysis of him from this game.

[natty_noodles]

Guly gave the ball away for the first goal and then made the awful tackle for the 2nd, he didn't make a tackle all game until the foul! We missed Lallana a LOT last night as he usually dominates midfield. To be fair all the midfield had a poor game

[Rorytheking]

Saw him strolling round town today.