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Im not sure that the manager thinks as much. When i listened to Adkins on Solent he did not give him a ringing endorsement. He said something on the lines that he is paid to save those and then mentioned his mistake with Fonte. Did not say anything really positive like managers have in the past, whilst he took every opportunity to praise the likes of LB etc.

KD is probably in his last season as first choice and so i'd expect another to be in goal next season. Many on here don't rate him, they expect Joe Hart, with a bit of Van Der Saar,Pat Jennings, and Bert Trautmann to be in our side lol

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I'd expect the manager to be critical of unnecessary mistakes, and he made a big one with that pass to Fonte. He also saved us the win, but nothing wrong with a bit of criticism from time to time.

 

Incidentally on the FM2011 computer games thread it's stated that there are 4 keepers in League One better than Davis. Anyone know who they are ? :D

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Hardly a new thought, but he has, again, been bloody brilliant so far this season IMO. Hope everyone realises how lucky we are to have him in this league, and I will personally enver forget that he could have gone to West Ham very easily.

 

well said

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Im not sure that the manager thinks as much. When i listened to Adkins on Solent he did not give him a ringing endorsement. He said something on the lines that he is paid to save those and then mentioned his mistake with Fonte. Did not say anything really positive like managers have in the past, whilst he took every opportunity to praise the likes of LB etc.

KD is probably in his last season as first choice and so i'd expect another to be in goal next season. Many on here don't rate him, they expect Joe Hart, with a bit of Van Der Saar,Pat Jennings, and Bert Trautmann to be in our side lol

Nick, I have said it before and I will say it again - Kelvin Davis is the best shot stopper in this league and better than many in the higher leagues BUT there is more to it than that as Adkins, a past professional keeper will know.

 

Does Kelvin dominate the box - No

Is he vebal enough - No

Is he any good at judgement when to come and when no to - No

Is he good at distribution from the back - No

Does he read the game well - Debatable

 

I do not expect a world class goalkeeper that would slot into any Premier side. If so that is where he will be. I want someone with a bit of all the above, who can develop and hold his own as we move upwards.

 

That may be the reason Adkins is not glowing in his comments.

 

Kelvin Davis saved us 2 points Saturday with his save, undoubtably. But many others make good saves - the Oldham keeper from Lamberts free kick for one. How many times have we found a goalkeeper in this division whose saves have stopped us winning or indeed drawing games.

 

Now do you see why some of us are not over the top with Davis's contribution overall

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Sure, but as a shot-stopper, he's been excellent. To be honest, I don't think there's anyone in League one I'd swap him for.

 

It was a great save at the end, but "shot-stopping" should be the most basic quality a keeper has, thats like saying a defender is good at kicking a ball, or a striker is good at shooting.

 

Incidentally on the FM2011 computer games thread it's stated that there are 4 keepers in League One better than Davis. Anyone know who they are ? :D

 

Alex Smithies ?

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It must be his distribution that rankles Adkins, as it is central to strategy, especially in the lower leagues. I expect Adkins to replace him when possible. Seaman was a master at distribution, could overarm throw to someone on the half way line with great pace and accuracy.

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Im not sure that the manager thinks as much. When i listened to Adkins on Solent he did not give him a ringing endorsement. He said something on the lines that he is paid to save those and then mentioned his mistake with Fonte. Did not say anything really positive like managers have in the past, whilst he took every opportunity to praise the likes of LB etc.

KD is probably in his last season as first choice and so i'd expect another to be in goal next season. Many on here don't rate him, they expect Joe Hart, with a bit of Van Der Saar,Pat Jennings, and Bert Trautmann to be in our side lol

 

Nothing like being realistic !

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OldNick

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Nick, I have said it before and I will say it again - Kelvin Davis is the best shot stopper in this league and better than many in the higher leagues BUT there is more to it than that as Adkins, a past professional keeper will know.

 

Does Kelvin dominate the box - No

Is he vebal enough - No

Is he any good at judgement when to come and when no to - No

Is he good at distribution from the back - No

Does he read the game well - Debatable

 

I do not expect a world class goalkeeper that would slot into any Premier side. If so that is where he will be. I want someone with a bit of all the above, who can develop and hold his own as we move upwards.

 

That may be the reason Adkins is not glowing in his comments.

 

Kelvin Davis saved us 2 points Saturday with his save, undoubtably. But many others make good saves - the Oldham keeper from Lamberts free kick for one. How many times have we found a goalkeeper in this division whose saves have stopped us winning or indeed drawing games.

 

Now do you see why some of us are not over the top with Davis's contribution overall

well lets get a keeper who can diostribute but not so good at stopping goals. At the same time get a winger who doesnt beat as many players but can take a throw in. On saturday I saw a fan berate Davis and then a few around him put him in his place. KD is not the best keeper i have seen play for saints but he is a very good goalkeeper who has time and again saved us points.

The defence know he isn't coming for the ball and so their job is to deal with the crosses coming in. The distribution thing comes 2 ways of course, how many times do defenders pass back and put him under pressure? he then has to send the ball into touch.

He is like many other players, there are polarised opinions. i myself wish Bart luck when he comes in, but if the couple of times i saw him recently I fear for us. Anyone who went to Exeter in the league cup a couple of seasons back would have seen the most comical and alarming display EVER of a Saints keeper. I have seen a few and this was by far the worst.

1 match , yes but I doubt you would risk him catching a cold on that display. if he comes in then i won't hope he fails, but as always support the players ther best i can

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COMEONYOUREDS

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Kelvin Davis can be a brilliant shot-stopper, the save at the end of the game on sat was pure class and won us 2 points. However, he is not as great as some people make out: he very nearly cost us with that dodgy pass out to fonte and has been beaten on his near post several times this season. I remember in the playoff season he definitely cost us a lot of points with some of his blunders, preston & QPR come to mind. Having said that i wouldn't swap him with any other keeper in League 1!

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I'd expect the manager to be critical of unnecessary mistakes, and he made a big one with that pass to Fonte. He also saved us the win, but nothing wrong with a bit of criticism from time to time.

 

Incidentally on the FM2011 computer games thread it's stated that there are 4 keepers in League One better than Davis. Anyone know who they are ? :D

 

Is Bart 1 of them?

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I 100% agree i see some anxiety between Davis and Adkins and Huddersfield highlighted this enormously

 

Its probably tougher when your boss used to do the same job as you. Most managers are ex outfield players so they probably just handall the goal keeping stuff to the goal keeping coach. Being an ex goalie I bet Nigel is probably far more observant and critical than most managers when it comes to that postion.

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We played some brilliant passing football from the back against Tranmere with Davis passing out to the back four but mainly Fonte, against Huddersfield, who scouted the game, and pressed the back four, his distribution got players into trouble. Against Oldham we dropped the passing game and were almost Pardewesque except for more width. It appears to me that it is the fragility of Davis in the distibution department that possibly has forced Adkins to shelve the way he wants us to play. I don't think he is over impressed with the one exceptional quality of shotstopping without the other necessary qualities that are lacking especially the flakey judgement. IMO I think that he will look to satisfy his requirement in the short term and bring in another keeper that will allow him to play the way he wants as soon as he is able.

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Its probably tougher when your boss used to do the same job as you. Most managers are ex outfield players so they probably just handall the goal keeping stuff to the goal keeping coach. Being an ex goalie I bet Nigel is probably far more observant and critical than most managers when it comes to that postion.
PS Pardew was also a keeper
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made some vital saves, none more so than the one v Oldham at the end but, he still needs to work on his distribution, nearly got us caught out again.

 

I agree, his shot stopping was top drawer on Saturday, but he did very nearly put us in the shyte with on of his throws. Still, without his saves we wouldn't have won. It's comfortable to know that if Kelvin does screw up big time, we have a good young keeper in reserve.

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Adknis raved about him being best in league on radio just a few days ago and said how many points he has saved us since Adkins has been here - and saying that's what he expects from someone of his quality.

 

Top keeper, rated by our manager - nothing to see here!!

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Baird of the land

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Can't see how anyone can blame Davis for Oldham's goal. Someone didn't track a midfield runner. He was in the right place and got a touch to it but in that kind of situation a good finsih is pretty much impossible to save. Think he's proven himself to be a decent championship standard keeper in the past who currently playing one level too low. With the exception of the first season with us(when his confidence was rock bottom after being shown up in the prem with Sunderland) he has been a good keeper for us. He's not the complete keeper but your not going to get that below the prem. My only problem with Davis is the amount we spent on him. At least he's been slowing making up for that by good and loyal service. Nice in today's money grabbing world that he chose to stay with us rather than bugger off to west ham.

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Can't see how anyone can blame Davis for Oldham's goal. Someone didn't track a midfield runner. He was in the right place and got a touch to it but in that kind of situation a good finsih is pretty much impossible to save.

I felt that he was a couple of feet too far to his left. I can think of a lot of keepers who might have saved it, but I wouldn't criticise him too much for letting it past him.

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