"Fans Love Players like Puncheon... who take people on...."

[Colinjb]

A direct quote from the Football League Show commentator in reference to Punch playing for Millwall v Scunny.

 

Millwall won 3-0.

 

Are we so odd in turning against a frustrating 'flair' player, or is it the 'playing for a contract' syndrome working again?

[RedAndWhite91]

I'm still amazed at his half decent corner for Millwall!

[Lighthouse]

Give it 6 months, his toys will be littered around the pram again.

[Chez]

fans expect wide men to beat the full back every single time. There are only so many games in a row that a winger can be on top. In the end the fullback dominates the winger and the fans then start to get frustrated and in the end get on the back of the wideman. What tends to happen is the widemen loses confidence, starts to play it simple and is then dropped and sold. A new club offers the chance to start all over again. The only time this changes is when you get a winger that is so good he nearly always beats the fullback, or if not all the time, he does it just in time before the fans get on his back.

[saintscottofthenortham]

fans expect wide men to beat the full back every single time. There are only so many games in a row that a winger can be on top. In the end the fullback dominates the winger and the fans then start to get frustrated and in the end get on the back of the wideman. What tends to happen is the widemen loses confidence, starts to play it simple and is then dropped and sold. A new club offers the chance to start all over again. The only time this changes is when you get a winger that is so good he nearly always beats the fullback, or if not all the time, he does it just in time before the fans get on his back.

 

No. He had a good first 5/6 games for us, then he was SH*T. He will do the same once Millwall sign the useless tw*t. Good riddance to him.

[chocco boxo]

Just read Nile Ranger and Mike Williamson have just signed 5 1/2 year contracts with Newcastle, fair play to them. Puncheon read Ryan Smith.

[georgeweahscousin]

I never warmed to Puncheon as a player, so disagree with the commentator.

 

I agree, that supporters generally like players that take people on, but only if there is a moderate return of success from these runs.

[70's Mike]

STARTED well for us, but imo little tactical awareness

[doddisalegend]

I still would rather have had Antiono than Puncheon but it wasn't to be. TBH Puncheon wasn't bad for us in his first dozen games or so but very inconsisent after that, so after only a couple of games at Millwall it's a bit early to decide if he is suddenly fantatstic. Maybe he wants to play for Jacket and just didn't get on with Nigel, getting on with you're boss (or not) makes a big difference to how you perform at work.

[saintscottofthenortham]

I still would rather have had Antiono than Puncheon but it wasn't to be. TBH Puncheon wasn't bad for us in his first dozen games or so but very inconsisent after that, so after only a couple of games at Millwall it's a bit early to decide if he is suddenly fantatstic. Maybe he wants to play for Jacket and just didn't get on with Nigel, getting on with you're boss (or not) makes a big difference to how you perform at work.

 

He didn't perform for about 80% of his time under Pardew either.

[Weston Saint]

Out on Friday night and an unreliable source mentioned to me that he had heard Puncheon and Seaborne had a fight.

 

After that Puncheon finds himself benched and then loaned to Millwall and Seaborne out of the squad with an injury that the infamous leftback hinted was broken ribs.

 

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumour?

[scott_saints]

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumour?

No.

[Mowgli]

Time to move on people. Talented player who was unfairly treated by fans. Now proving his talent at a higher level. Shock, horror.

[Turkish]

Time to move on people. Talented player who was unfairly treated by fans. Now proving his talent at a higher level. Shock, horror.

 

It's not like some of our "fans" have a bit of history of this sort of thing is it.

[corky morris]

Time to move on people. Talented player who was unfairly treated by fans. Now proving his talent at a higher level. Shock, horror.

 

Problem is - is that this season, for us, he struggled to beat an egg let alone take a full back on.............................

Edited 5 December, 2010 by corky morris

[thesaint sfc]

I thought punch was really good and was disappointed he left.

[rallyboy]

a talented player who tries when he fancies - that attitude's no good to us, good luck to him.

We'll hear about his great moments, less so of the games where he hides.

Next.

[Smirking_Saint]

I rate Puncheon, he has a better brain and technique then the majority of our players and certainly didn't get enough change from our underperforming strikers. As usual the Northam need someone to blame and turn on a player who is lacking confidence.

 

On another note in regards to beating players, i did see him beating players, working hard and he had a good touch. One thing to remember is that he if he were to get to the byeline due to him playing as an inside forward and so on his wrong side (in regards his strongest foot) he would then have to attempt to cross on his weak side.

 

This added to the fact that really and truelly any experienced full back that come across a winger that beats him in 4/5 1on1's is having a sh*te game.

 

I am not surprised Puncheon is playing well for Millwall after all it is his level, i'd like to say i am surprised with the majority missing his obvious talents but honestly i am not.

[Smirking_Saint]

a talented player who tries when he fancies - that attitude's no good to us, good luck to him.

We'll hear about his great moments, less so of the games where he hides.

Next.

 

That is the game of a winger i am afraid Rally.

 

Bale had a torrid time against Everton, as did Ronaldo a few times when he was at Man Utd. Does it make them bad players ? No.

 

As a winger you are either on top or not, it is not hiding it just shows the full back has had a better time of it.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Some fans tend not to warm to players who take their man on - beat him - and then blast their shot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar.

[Smirking_Saint]

Some fans tend not to warm to players who take their man on - beat him - and then blast their shot 20 yards over the top of the crossbar.

 

Then they stick through thick and thin to an underperforming lump of a striker who is not really showing signs of improvement.

[Window Cleaner]

Out on Friday night and an unreliable source mentioned to me that he had heard Puncheon and Seaborne had a fight.

 

After that Puncheon finds himself benched and then loaned to Millwall and Seaborne out of the squad with an injury that the infamous leftback hinted was broken ribs.

 

I wonder if there is any truth to the rumour?

 

If it came from leftback it is probably fairly near the money if it refers to players etc. What you don't need to believe too much is anything he says about Cortese, his agenda leaves him a bit of a blind spot there.

[Weston Saint]

I rate Puncheon, he has a better brain and technique then the majority of our players and certainly didn't get enough change from our underperforming strikers. As usual the Northam need someone to blame and turn on a player who is lacking confidence.On another note in regards to beating players, i did see him beating players, working hard and he had a good touch. One thing to remember is that he if he were to get to the byeline due to him playing as an inside forward and so on his wrong side (in regards his strongest foot) he would then have to attempt to cross on his weak side.

 

This added to the fact that really and truelly any experienced full back that come across a winger that beats him in 4/5 1on1's is having a sh*te game.

 

I am not surprised Puncheon is playing well for Millwall after all it is his level, i'd like to say i am surprised with the majority missing his obvious talents but honestly i am not.

I suspect it was more than the supporters who turned on him.

[Weston Saint]

From a respected supporter from another place when he went on loan to Millwall

 

"My son-in law, a passionate Plymouth Argyle fan, told me when we signed Puncheon that he was not a 'team player' and doubted if he would stay long at St Mary's. He has undoubted talent and sparkled for a while when he first arrived at Plymouth, then it all went wrong and he wanted away because, 'Plymouth was too far from London' was his excuse. The Argyle fans wondered how he had not noticed that when he came down to sign for them.

 

Perhaps he can't read a map! Kept running into cul de sacs when he had the ball too"

 

I also had a comment from within the club when I asked where Puncheon was when he was not even on the bench - the reply "he tweaked his back" and added....."probably picking up his wage slip"

Edited 5 December, 2010 by Weston Saint
To add last paragraph

[Smirking_Saint]

If he is a bad element at the club then so be it we should get the best price possible and look for an adequate replacement.

 

It doesn't however make him an utterly sh*t player as that is just not true.

[saintscottofthenortham]

If he is a bad element at the club then so be it we should get the best price possible and look for an adequate replacement.

 

It doesn't however make him an utterly sh*t player as that is just not true.

 

No, of course is isn't sh*t. He showed that in his first 6 or 7 games. However, anyone who didn't see him during that spell, and has watched him in every other game since, would probably come to the conclusion, he is in fact... Sh*t.

[Nexstar]

Fans enjoying watching players like puncheon take on players - true

 

Fans enjoy far more watching players like Alex Chamberlain, who can successfully take on players.

[Badger]

Time to move on people. Talented player who was unfairly treated by fans. Now proving his talent at a higher level. Shock, horror.

 

Chicken and egg syndrome here though;had we seen more performances worthy of a "talented player" then perhaps the treatment might not have been so critical of him. Much of the time he appeared simply to be going through the motions.

 

 

Then they stick through thick and thin to an underperforming lump of a striker who is not really showing signs of improvement.

 

This is a striker with a proven track record at Saints however.

[doddisalegend]

He didn't perform for about 80% of his time under Pardew either.

 

That's totally wrong imo. The difference is Antonio came from non league took a while to adjust but was getting better all the time, puncheon just got worse as time went on.

Edited 5 December, 2010 by doddisalegend

[dellgirl]

Last season he seemed unwilling to play with Jon Osemabor as I remember,sorry can't recall how his name was spelt.I always got the impression that he was chippy and always thought he was better than he was.

[Smirking_Saint]

No, of course is isn't sh*t. He showed that in his first 6 or 7 games. However, anyone who didn't see him during that spell, and has watched him in every other game since, would probably come to the conclusion, he is in fact... Sh*t.

 

Complete and utter tosh. Anyone who actually had a basic grasp of football in general and didn't just enjoy the sledging he got from the sidelines could see that although the vocal majority was calling for his head (not the first time they got things universally wrong) he certainly wasn't sh*t by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I don't think he was quite as accomplished as he was last season but as far as i could see a lot of his dallying on the ball was because there was nobody around him providing him with a pass and so he often was tackled or he had to try and manufacture something. Strange though as if this happens when Lallana was on the ball it is obviously the players around hims fault. I expect he will now move on and do well and we will all bemoan his loss and wonder why he has gone eslewhere and is doing better. I mean what other sh*te players have the Northam darlings turned on ?? Oakley ? Svensson ? Davis ? Fuller ? Ormarod ? Lol

 

As for Lambert, yes last season he has a proven track record but i would hold no player in the team just on merit, the fact is he is/was not pulling his substantial weight when needed and looks pretty toothless in front of goal. Also if you are saying play him because of what he did last year Puncheon waded in with goals and assists.

 

But hey ho, seeing as we need a scapegoat we may aswell chuck him on the ex saints scrapheap of useless players along with Schneiderlin.

[Turkish]

Complete and utter tosh. Anyone who actually had a basic grasp of football in general and didn't just enjoy the sledging he got from the sidelines could see that although the vocal majority was calling for his head (not the first time they got things universally wrong) he certainly wasn't sh*t by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I don't think he was quite as accomplished as he was last season but as far as i could see a lot of his dallying on the ball was because there was nobody around him providing him with a pass and so he often was tackled or he had to try and manufacture something. Strange though as if this happens when Lallana was on the ball it is obviously the players around hims fault. I expect he will now move on and do well and we will all bemoan his loss and wonder why he has gone eslewhere and is doing better. I mean what other sh*te players have the Northam darlings turned on ?? Oakley ? Svensson ? Davis ? Fuller ? Ormarod ? Lol

 

As for Lambert, yes last season he has a proven track record but i would hold no player in the team just on merit, the fact is he is/was not pulling his substantial weight when needed and looks pretty toothless in front of goal. Also if you are saying play him because of what he did last year Puncheon waded in with goals and assists.

 

But hey ho, seeing as we need a scapegoat we may aswell chuck him on the ex saints scrapheap of useless players along with Schneiderlin.

 

If only we had kept Papa and Antonio

[Smirking_Saint]

If only we had kept Papa and Antonio

 

I would rather have Papa and Antonio than Walcott, Bale, Keane and Torres

[Turkish]

I would rather have Papa and Antonio than Walcott, Bale, Keane and Torres

 

Papa and Antonio would be far more effective in league 1 than Walcott and Bale. FACT.

[Fan The Flames]

To our shame Saints fans have always turned on players, especially those that don't boot the ball long. We are muppets.

[Smirking_Saint]

To our shame Saints fans have always turned on players, especially those that don't boot the ball long. We are muppets.

 

I have to agree with this

[Saint_clark]

Then they stick through thick and thin to an underperforming lump of a striker who is not really showing signs of improvement.

 

Underperforming and STILL having a massive affect on games.

[Smirking_Saint]

Underperforming and STILL having a massive affect on games.

 

I have rarely seen it TBF, he is barely chasing down the ball is often too far away from any dangerous positions and just isn't competing for the ball as much as last year.

 

Still, its him or a 50% fit Connolly or Doble.

[ottery st mary]

Puncheon is a very good footballer and far better than given credit for.

 

Would have him in the side over Spiderman or Holmes anyday.

 

Pity he is not still here or coming back..Big pity as we could do with him in Dec and Jan in squad/team..Hope we get some cover in as Spiderman is not the answer in our midfield and has not been ..ever..vastly overated by some on here..

[doddisalegend]

To our shame Saints fans have always turned on players, especially those that don't boot the ball long. We are muppets.

 

The amount of flak Kelvin and Wotton get goes to show that isn't true, it's all our players who get given **** not just the ones who don't boot it long. Still as the players are just here for the money and will leave the moment something better comes along how much loyalty do the fans owe them anyway?

[Give it to Ron]

To our shame Saints fans have always turned on players, especially those that don't boot the ball long. We are muppets.

 

Do you think this is new...or just since moving to SMS?

I remember the stick (quite rightly) given to Melia and the atrocious Lew Chatterley at The Dell.

Every club has fans that boo have you forgotten Arsenal treatment of Eboue, did u not hear Rooneys reception the other week?

Players get boo'ed for reasons Fuller was a lazy **** before he went to Ipswich..he worked his arse of when he came back and the fans responded by chanting his name and applauding him.

[captainchris]

I still would rather have had Antiono than Puncheon but it wasn't to be. TBH Puncheon wasn't bad for us in his first dozen games or so but very inconsisent after that, so after only a couple of games at Millwall it's a bit early to decide if he is suddenly fantatstic. Maybe he wants to play for Jacket and just didn't get on with Nigel, getting on with you're boss (or not) makes a big difference to how you perform at work.

 

So what happened under Pardew - didn't he get on with him either?

[captainchris]

Puncheon is a very good footballer and far better than given credit for.

 

Would have him in the side over Spiderman or Holmes anyday.

 

Pity he is not still here or coming back..Big pity as we could do with him in Dec and Jan in squad/team..Hope we get some cover in as Spiderman is not the answer in our midfield and has not been ..ever..vastly overated by some on here..

 

Inreresting that you compare two very similar players who both have the same basic problem in that they don't affect games materially....They don't defend, don't attack, don't make assists and don't score..........

[Give it to Ron]

So what happened under Pardew - didn't he get on with him either?

 

Puncheon is 24 and now on his 6th league club...that says it all for me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Puncheon

[Smirking_Saint]

Inreresting that you compare two very similar players who both have the same basic problem in that they don't affect games materially....They don't defend, don't attack, don't make assists and don't score..........

 

Funny

 

I have never heard you ever say a single positive about anyone

[Fan The Flames]

Do you think this is new...or just since moving to SMS?

I remember the stick (quite rightly) given to Melia and the atrocious Lew Chatterley at The Dell.

Every club has fans that boo have you forgotten Arsenal treatment of Eboue, did u not hear Rooneys reception the other week?

Players get boo'ed for reasons Fuller was a lazy **** before he went to Ipswich..he worked his arse of when he came back and the fans responded by chanting his name and applauding him.

 

No, it's been going on for years, Alan Ball got a load of stick, I remember my dad saying years ago that Saints fans were really fickle. It probably happens at most clubs but it would take a lot for me to get on the back of one of our players.

[Turkish]

No, it's been going on for years, Alan Ball got a load of stick, I remember my dad saying years ago that Saints fans were really fickle. It probably happens at most clubs but it would take a lot for me to get on the back of one of our players.

 

SOme of our "fans" actually seem to take delight in it. I am sure some only come to games to moan about players. There are a group of clueless clowns who sit in the Itchen block 8 i think it is, fairly near the front. Slag off our players from the moment the first ball is kicked to the final whistle, regardless of the score or performance. It's almost like they hope that a player players badly so 1/they can get on their back 2/ they are proven to be right. I used to go and watch Leeds a bit a few years ago when i was living up that way and i can honestly say, depsite Elland Roads reputation, Saints fans are worst when it comes to fickelness and getting on our own players back.

[hypochondriac]

Underperforming and STILL having a massive affect on games.

 

You are the only one who thinks this to my knowledge.

[doddisalegend]

So what happened under Pardew - didn't he get on with him either?

 

Puncheon was far better last season under AP (one of our top assist providers I believe) than he was this season under Nigel (or Wilkins) as for the couple of games he played under AP this season he was just coming back from injury. Puncheon basically said he was unhappy under Nigel in the interview after his first Millwall game when he said it was nice to be somewhere were the manager wanted him (or words to that affect).

Edited 6 December, 2010 by doddisalegend

[Badger]

SOme of our "fans" actually seem to take delight in it. I am sure some only come to games to moan about players. There are a group of clueless clowns who sit in the Itchen block 8 i think it is, fairly near the front. Slag off our players from the moment the first ball is kicked to the final whistle, regardless of the score or performance. It's almost like they hope that a player players badly so 1/they can get on their back 2/ they are proven to be right. I used to go and watch Leeds a bit a few years ago when i was living up that way and i can honestly say, depsite Elland Roads reputation, Saints fans are worst when it comes to fickelness and getting on our own players back.

 

Some years ago - maybe it has changed- but a relative who was a season ticket holder at Wolves said he was always impressed with the Saints crowd and that they did not get on the back of players all too easily. Young players in particular were also given a bit more tolerance with Saints than when they started than at Wolves where they would soon get a torrid time. This however was in the days of The Dell so perhaps that tells its own story.

 

As for "scapegoats",Bally did I'm afraid have a few detractors in the weeks before he retired.

 

Lew Chatterley was seen as being the epitome of this new blokes regime,having taken Ted Bates team down in half a season and then struggling to make an impact in the Second Division despite still having Channon and Osgood.Ian Turner who displaced Eric Martin was also none too popular. Both having been brought down here by the new bloke from a lower division club.

 

Hugh Fisher also took a lot of stick for a while.