Mattio Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 On BBC1 now, just about to have a feature about the 125th anniversary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 On telleh now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Nice feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 14 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Very good feature, Cortese gets the final word again though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Very good feature, Cortese gets the final word again though! Why the he'll is cortese being so nasty over this? Just no point. I like him but ffs, just being stupid over this. Nicola back down over this please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Missed it, what was said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Cortese didn't say anything. The presenter just reiterated that LMs award was from his peers, not the club. Was he supposed to lie? Do you think the club requested the statement to be made or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 (edited) Did the BBC program make any mention of the 18 months worth of unsubstantiated sniping in the local and national press those involved with the dinner have been doing? Cortese owes them no favours after that! Or that the anniversary was actually in November 2010 and official events took place then and yesterdays event was three months late and unofficial? Plus where does the money for this event go? Are they just cashing in on the club? I doubt it... Edited 14 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 14 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Did the BBC program make any mention of the 18 months worth of sniping in the local press those involved with the dinner have been doing? Cortese owes them no favours after that! Or that the anniversary was actually in November 2010 and official events took place then and yesterdays event was three months late and unofficial? I doubt it... Actually they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Did the BBC program make any mention of the 18 months worth of sniping in the local press those involved with the dinner have been doing? Cortese owes them no favours after that! Or that the anniversary was actually in November 2010 and official events took place then and yesterdays event was three months late and unofficial? I doubt it... No cortese has messed up big time over this. Pathetic from him. Was a great event and he hasn't done himself any favours. Again, done a good job but lack of respect for clubs history. I'm sure this can be worked out eventually but nicolas public relations need to be worked on big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 (edited) No cortese has messed up big time over this. Pathetic from him. Was a great event and he hasn't done himself any favours. Again, done a good job but lack of respect for clubs history. I'm sure this can be worked out eventually but nicolas public relations need to be worked on big time How has he shown lack of respect for the clubs history? We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. Edited 15 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Why the he'll is cortese being so nasty over this? Just no point. I like him but ffs, just being stupid over this. Nicola back down over this please. i thought it was great footage and made me proud of being part of the saints tradition and history and it made present holders of saints football club look very petty and small minded people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 No cortese has messed up big time over this. Pathetic from him. Was a great event and he hasn't done himself any favours. Again, done a good job but lack of respect for clubs history. I'm sure this can be worked out eventually but nicolas public relations need to be worked on big time i agree . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 i agree . The club have shown plenty of respect to history, see post #11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 The club have shown plenty of respect to history, see post #11. Totally agree. this argument about Cortese not showing respect is a nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 To me it looked like the programme-makers were playing the innocent while actually sh.it-stirring... I thought it was a good feature soured by the Old Club/footy establishment vs New Club/Cortese bollix at the end. Fans of other clubs watching must have wondered what the presenter was going on about. It was all a bit embaressing and I wish heads could be banged together to resolve the problem. Failing that, New Club/Cortese have to continue doing what they're doing. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 To me it looked like the programme-makers were playing the innocent while actually sh.it-stirring... I thought it was a good feature soured by the Old Club/footy establishment vs New Club/Cortese bollix at the end. Fans of other clubs watching must have wondered what the presenter was going on about. It was all a bit embaressing and I wish heads could be banged together to resolve the problem. Failing that, New Club/Cortese have to continue doing what they're doing. IMHO. i think you are getting paranoid and the fans of other clubs can see what is happening.it was a very good publicity and apart from the official saints club being petty minded ,banning a season ticket holder of 30 years without giving a reason ,scrapping the season ticket payment plan without any notice,falling out with the major papers south coast team and the local paper .i would love to see unity at this club but i think it needs the club to build bridges . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 No cortese has messed up big time over this. Pathetic from him. Was a great event and he hasn't done himself any favours. Again, done a good job but lack of respect for clubs history. I'm sure this can be worked out eventually but nicolas public relations need to be worked on big time yes totally agree and hopefully soon so the fans and the club can all pull together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think no matter what your opinion the fact we have this debate day in day out proves that at least a section of the fans have an issue with Cortese which means that something needs to be done to improve his image and club PR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think no matter what your opinion the fact we have this debate day in day out proves that at least a section of the fans have an issue with Cortese which means that something needs to be done to improve his image and club PR thats how i see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 i think you are getting paranoid and the fans of other clubs can see what is happening.it was a very good publicity and apart from the official saints club being petty minded ,banning a season ticket holder of 30 years without giving a reason ,scrapping the season ticket payment plan without any notice,falling out with the major papers south coast team and the local paper .i would love to see unity at this club but i think it needs the club to build bridges . Oh for goodness sake, how many times must these points be addressed before people will get it? NI was NOT banned. The instalment plans were scrapped because people stopped paying after they got their tickets - that makes us as a fanbase seem less trustworthy, not Cortese. The local paper should be supporting the club but it slated it from day one - it's also completely amateur from day to day with even the basics being wrong (a picture of Channon with a caption of Fonte? That's just plain retarded). As for the Sun, we didn't fall out with them. We started charging for use of our photos (a decision we have since gone back on). Have you forgotten that the Sun started calling him Clotese? Does that not seem petty to you, or is it only our chairman capable of that? And all that before we even start on the Sun reporting utter bullcrap about us being up for sale with nothing at all to back it up. Yes, our fanbase does need to unite - but a few people seem to be backing the wrong side here. Cortese will lead us to great, great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Did the BBC program make any mention of the 18 months worth of unsubstantiated sniping in the local and national press those involved with the dinner have been doing? Cortese owes them no favours after that! Or that the anniversary was actually in November 2010 and official events took place then and yesterdays event was three months late and unofficial? Plus where does the money for this event go? Are they just cashing in on the club? I doubt it... fantard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Oh for goodness sake, how many times must these points be addressed before people will get it? NI was NOT banned. The instalment plans were scrapped because people stopped paying after they got their tickets - that makes us as a fanbase seem less trustworthy, not Cortese. The local paper should be supporting the club but it slated it from day one - it's also completely amateur from day to day with even the basics being wrong (a picture of Channon with a caption of Fonte? That's just plain retarded). As for the Sun, we didn't fall out with them. We started charging for use of our photos (a decision we have since gone back on). Have you forgotten that the Sun started calling him Clotese? Does that not seem petty to you, or is it only our chairman capable of that? And all that before we even start on the Sun reporting utter bullcrap about us being up for sale with nothing at all to back it up. Yes, our fanbase does need to unite - but a few people seem to be backing the wrong side here. Cortese will lead us to great, great things. sorry i don,t agree that its as simple has that or ,do you thinks its right that club did not attend the function or wanted to be linked when most of the greatest players and managers attended and that the instalment plan was going to be scrapped because of the reasons stated,why was their no mention of it last season and sprung on supporters at the last minute if people stopped paying after they got their tickets at the start of last season.. Edited 15 February, 2011 by solentstars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 sorry i don,t agree that its as simple has that or ,do you thinks its right that club did not attend the function or wanted to be linked when most of the greatest players and managers attended and that the instalment plan was going to be scrapped because of the reasons stated,why was their no mention of it last season and sprung on supporters at the last minute if people stopped paying after they got their tickets at the start of last season.. As MLG has pointed out many times, the club had an event back around the ACTUAL anniversary. This may well have been a fantastic evening - as all reports show so far - but why now? Personally I think the club would have been more involved had the organisers of this event approached the club with the Mayflower venue and offered it at the time of the actual anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 You Are the one backing the wrong side. You ate much too quick to slate ad are a hypocrite Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 You Are the one backing the wrong side. You ate much too quick to slate ad are a hypocrite Clark It looks like you've been drinking tonight tbh But even so, on what grounds do you think I am in the wrong by backing our chairman who was trusted completely by Markus Liebherr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It looks like you've been drinking tonight tbh But even so, on what grounds do you think I am in the wrong by backing our chairman who was trusted completely by Markus Liebherr? You shouldn't accuse to be honest who are you to be the moral compass? Basically the legends will always be so. I actualy cried when god scord against arsenal. Never forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 You shouldn't accuse to be honest who are you to be the moral compass? Basically the legends will always be so. I actualy cried when god scord against arsenal. Never forget Hang on a second, i'm not the one accusing. Le Tissier, McMenemy etc. are the ones doing so, i'm just trusting the man who has been proven to be in the right time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Hang on a second, i'm not the one accusing. Le Tissier, McMenemy etc. are the ones doing so, i'm just trusting the man who has been proven to be in the right time after time. You have a veil in tour eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Mlt is the king not cortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Hang on a second, i'm not the one accusing. Le Tissier, McMenemy etc. are the ones doing so, i'm just trusting the man who has been proven to be in the right time after time. He has pro en to no one. I have spoken to lawrie who made his feelings known and I am awRe of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Mlt is the king not cortese - MLT is indeed the King on the pitch and Lawrie the king of the dugout for Saints. - But concerning actions off the pitch, Cortese is far more impressive and professional. As Saint Clark pointed out, all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered (although many of his critics ignore the rebuttals like those Saint Clark listed). MLT and Lawrie however seem to be able to say what they like in the eyes of some. Yes, Le Tiss is one of the greatest players ever to play for the club and Lawrie probably the best manager, but they shouldn't open their mouths in public about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do them any favours. Edited 15 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think no matter what your opinion the fact we have this debate day in day out proves that at least a section of the fans have an issue with Cortese which means that something needs to be done to improve his image and club PR imho, a very small section of fans. the club are getting good crowds so pr not doing badly. most important thing he needs to do is get this club promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Available on iplayer. 9mins 30 secs in (for about 10 mins) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ycv9x/Late_Kick_Off_South_South_West_and_West_2011_Episode_4/ PS Turn it off before it goes back to the studio, as I'm not sure where on the "Cortese to Lawrie/Matty blame-ometer" the blame should be apportioned on this one, but IMHO the comments at the end by James Richardson don't make pleasant viewing. Edited 15 February, 2011 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 How has he shown lack of respect for the clubs history? We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. Agree totally with this. It seems that to a lot of people on here this is a "Black and White" situation and you view depends on the pro or anti Cortese stance that you have. Why is he getting stick for pointing out that the event was not organised by the club and was therefor unofficial? Just another club to beat him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Just seemed to me that the programme makers probably approached the club for a quote and the club said "it's nothing to do with us, we celebrated it in November", and the BBC decided to use it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Good to see some real legends (Channon, Paine, Keegan, Le Tiss, Shearer, Lawrie) turn out for the night. We should remember, that for all his faults, we may not have been able to celebrate 125 years had it not been for Mr Cortese securing investment from Markus Lebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think no matter what your opinion the fact we have this debate day in day out proves that at least a section of the fans have an issue with Cortese which means that something needs to be done to improve his image and club PR That is pretty much undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 More importantly who was the presenter of the program? Truly awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 How has he shown lack of respect for the clubs history? We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. The anniversary shirt aside,any other official events seem to have been decidedly low key.Sorry to ask, but what were the official events ? I have clearly missed them although possibly because of being exiled. As for ex players on the pitch, I assume your referring to the 1976 players at the Man U cup tie. In itself, very good but it seemed rather petty that the manager who masterminded it was not present. Despite being unofficial and late, this weekends events have clearly caught the attention of the fans and struck a chord. Any chance that NC is envious of the success ? I like NC, and his management but feel he is out of line here in not openly acknowledging our previous success and those that brought it here. Having lived through the Lawrie Mac era,I can not subscribe to the bitterness many are spouting towards him. When NC has delivered promotion(s),an FA Cup, regular european football, and signed the current European Player of the Year, he too will be as popular as Lawrie. Finally, I wonder if Markus might have been more gracious about the 'unofficial' event etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Available on iplayer. 9mins 30 secs in (for about 10 mins) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ycv9x/Late_Kick_Off_South_South_West_and_West_2011_Episode_4/ hmm.......not available in my area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 - MLT is indeed the King on the pitch and Lawrie the king of the dugout for Saints. - But concerning actions off the pitch, Cortese is far more impressive and professional. As Saint Clark pointed out, all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered (although many of his critics ignore the rebuttals like those Saint Clark listed). MLT and Lawrie however seem to be able to say what they like in the eyes of some. Yes, Le Tiss is one of the greatest players ever to play for the club and Lawrie probably the best manager, but they shouldn't open their mouths in public about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do them any favours. The greatest player by the way and also cortese shoudl do him some favours for being a great servant to the club. At least turn up to the bloody 125 yrs anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's a grand old team to play for its a grand old team to see and if you know your history it's enough to make your heart go wwooooooooooohhhh we dont care what cortese says oh what the hell do we care cause we only know that there's gonna be a show and southampton legends are here!! Sounds like it was a fantastic night on Sunday, wish I had made arrangements to come down from London for it. One of those rare nights and we probably wont get all those names back together again for a long while, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Cortese didn't say anything. The presenter just reiterated that LMs award was from his peers, not the club. Was he supposed to lie? Do you think the club requested the statement to be made or what? the club did say something, and it clearly comes from the top THE CLUB COMMENTED " We would like to make it clear that the lifetime achievement award for Lawrie has in no way come from the club, but has come from his peers " That was not the presenters words... but a comment/statement from the club, they could have just as easily given a 'no comment' answer. That would have been diplomatic. again the club are trying to airbrush our history from the record books, like the fact that in 1974 the Daily Echo sponsored the player of the year trophy and up till last season this was considered the official award, the club and paper working alongside to collate the votes and present the trophy, all of a sudden this is cast aside and 36 years of past winners are all of a sudden no longer "Official" players of the year. And, whatever happened to the Ted Bates Trophy? Edited 15 February, 2011 by patred44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Brilliant programme. Thanks for posting the link. I won't let the disgraceful remarks from that little Italian man spoil it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Brilliant programme. Thanks for posting the link. I won't let the disgraceful remarks from that little Italian man spoil it. oooo, handbags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Brilliant programme. Thanks for posting the link. I won't let the disgraceful remarks from that little Italian man spoil it. Yep I agree with you Dune Just dont understand the clubs stance and the stance of some of the posters who dont appear to be acting objectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 the club did say something, and it clearly comes from the top THE CLUB COMMENTED " We would like to make it clear that the lifetime achievement award for Lawrie has in no way come from the club, but has come from his peers " That was not the presenters words... but a comment/statement from the club, they could have just as easily given a 'no comment' answer. That would have been diplomatic. again the club are trying to airbrush our history from the record books, like the fact that in 1974 the Daily Echo sponsored the player of the year trophy and up till last season this was considered the official award, the club and paper working alongside to collate the votes and present the trophy, all of a sudden this is cast aside and 36 years of past winners are all of a sudden no longer "Official" players of the year. And, whatever happened to the Ted Bates Trophy? well said, we should be a proud club, with a proud history, and events like Sunday night was a great reminder of that, we as fans should never let that be forgotten, our father and grandfathers stood on the terraces of the Dell, watching the greats, this is what makes us the club we are, one of my favourite videos is the history of the saints which came out around 1990/91 this should be essential viewing for any young saints fan growing up today to make them realise that we're not just some league one club with big crowds but a club with a proud history of acheivement at the highest level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Retarded PR for SFC. Sorry, the company that currently runs SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 the club did say something, and it clearly comes from the top THE CLUB COMMENTED " We would like to make it clear that the lifetime achievement award for Lawrie has in no way come from the club, but has come from his peers " That was not the presenters words... but a comment/statement from the club, they could have just as easily given a 'no comment' answer. That would have been diplomatic. again the club are trying to airbrush our history from the record books, like the fact that in 1974 the Daily Echo sponsored the player of the year trophy and up till last season this was considered the official award, the club and paper working alongside to collate the votes and present the trophy, all of a sudden this is cast aside and 36 years of past winners are all of a sudden no longer "Official" players of the year. And, whatever happened to the Ted Bates Trophy? The phrase "making a mountain out of a molehill" springs to mind. Perhaps the BBC asked the club to comment on their lifetime achievement award to LM and they merely clarified that the award was not from the club itself, but from his peers. I expect if they had just said "no comment" as you suggested you and all the other drama queens on this forum would be making a big song and dance about that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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