wheels Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7738397.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Ron Davies is on his way back.....Time to get your boots out Matt. Your club needs you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Well i think Matt's just saying what we're all thinking there isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 still uses the word US what a legend, get the boots back on Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Well i think Matt's just saying what we're all thinking there isn't he? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Ron Davies is on his way back.....Time to get your boots out Matt. Your club needs you. Lol with those 2 in the team we'll bring the average age up to about 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Considering how diplomatic Matty usually is about goings-on at SFC / SMS, this is tantamount to a damning endictment of the current set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Lord Rupert won't like that. Le Tiss will be barred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Lol with those 2 in the team we'll bring the average age up to about 21 Maybe problems with age soon..as Terry Paine is on his way soon re his book? He will be required on the right for crosses for Ron... Wait John Sydenham is coming back from oZ for the left..by xmas the average age will be 100..then again we might get some goals and win some games. You have to have a larf with the good old boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Lord Rupert won't like that. Le Tiss will be barred. If he tries that stunt, he will sign his own death warrant. Taking on Matty wouldnt be like trying to take on Lawrie Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7738397.stm Considering we never seem to be in the lead I find it difficult that we should be shutting up shop. Our main problem is a lack of goals. Of course we are going to struggle with youngsters I quite agree with MLT I doubt if the board would disagree with his sentiments Edited 20 November, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I don't really see that age in itself is a problem - just look at what Arsenal U12's did to Wigan. Nor can I see that we have any problem closing out games as one of the good things about a young squad is that they are likely to be that little bit fitter. The problem is a lack of quality, and money of course. Drafting in more substandard carthorses ala Perry/Wotton would only make things worse IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I don't really see that age in itself is a problem - just look at what Arsenal U12's did to Wigan. Nor can I see that we have any problem closing out games as one of the good things about a young squad is that they are likely to be that little bit fitter. The problem is a lack of quality, and money of course. Drafting in more substandard carthorses ala Perry/Wotton would only make things worse IMHO. Arsenals young stars may be good for a one off game against a very average Wigan side, but can you imagine them playing a full season in the Prem? Teams like Bolton and Stoke would kick the living crap out of them. I doubt they'd finish midtable. Age is always going to be an issue for these guys and mistakes are being made through lack of experience. If we are to have any chance this season, we are going to need Wotton, Perry, Davis, Skacel and Euell to ALL play a part in the team. With the exception of Lallana, I felt the last 4 players were our best on Saturday. I never felt they were about to make a mistake and drop us in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I don't really see that age in itself is a problem - just look at what Arsenal U12's did to Wigan. Nor can I see that we have any problem closing out games as one of the good things about a young squad is that they are likely to be that little bit fitter. The problem is a lack of quality, and money of course. Drafting in more substandard carthorses ala Perry/Wotton would only make things worse IMHO. I know both ours and Arsenal's academies are good, but comparing us to their under 12's can't be too good for our first team morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Lord Rupert won't like that. Le Tiss will be barred. MLT has traditionally backed Rupert so this is a big blow to Rupert's slim hopes of saving his status quo. About time the Echo (awful rag) and Radio Solent turned up the heat on Wilde and Lowe as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I don't really see that age in itself is a problem - just look at what Arsenal U12's did to Wigan. Nor can I see that we have any problem closing out games as one of the good things about a young squad is that they are likely to be that little bit fitter. The problem is a lack of quality, and money of course. Drafting in more substandard carthorses ala Perry/Wotton would only make things worse IMHO. I think you'll find we've had more points and less goals conceeded when Perry plays, than when he doesn't. And the fact remains, in this division, you need a few older players to help you out. I always point to Sheffield United's promotion a few years ago. It was our first season in the CCC. How many of us would have had the likes of Unsworth or Shipperley in the team. I reckon none. But they were good enough to send them up. I really think the role in the club that some older heads bring is over looked on here. A combination of 'quality' kids and experienced senior pros is the most effective way up from CCC land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I think you'll find we've had more points and less goals conceeded when Perry plays, than when he doesn't. And the fact remains, in this division, you need a few older players to help you out. I always point to Sheffield United's promotion a few years ago. It was our first season in the CCC. How many of us would have had the likes of Unsworth or Shipperley in the team. I reckon none. But they were good enough to send them up. I really think the role in the club that some older heads bring is over looked on here. A combination of 'quality' kids and experienced senior pros is the most effective way up from CCC land. Playing raw, average kids (Lallana and Drew apart) is the way out of the CCC at the other end, the end that means Aldershot at home next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I think you'll find we've had more points and less goals conceeded when Perry plays, than when he doesn't. And the fact remains, in this division, you need a few older players to help you out. I always point to Sheffield United's promotion a few years ago. It was our first season in the CCC. How many of us would have had the likes of Unsworth or Shipperley in the team. I reckon none. But they were good enough to send them up. I really think the role in the club that some older heads bring is over looked on here. A combination of 'quality' kids and experienced senior pros is the most effective way up from CCC land. Same as Hull last season , Windass and Barmby. the puriests on here would have kittens if we signed players like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I think he should stop being negative and get behind the boys. All this negativity is killing the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I can't help but feel that some people can't help but read things into this that aren't there: 1. "It's an incredibly young squad, and it's going to be a problem for us, I think." 2. "You need a few old heads just to help you close out games." 3. "Sometimes you need to know when to just shut up shop. It's going to be difficult for them if they continue to have eight or nine young lads in the team." 4. "It could end up being a very tough season." All perfectly acceptable points. And being placed in 21st in the table it's pretty obvious it's going to be a tough season... No mention of the chairman. No mentrion of backing him. No mention of disagreeing with him. Just talking about football at Saints... And i can't help think that i've heard Matt already say most of this... In fact i've already heard people say alot worse and they're still welcome in the ground... Jimmy Case for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Arsenals young stars may be good for a one off game against a very average Wigan side, but can you imagine them playing a full season in the Prem? Teams like Bolton and Stoke would kick the living crap out of them. I doubt they'd finish midtable. Age is always going to be an issue for these guys and mistakes are being made through lack of experience. If we are to have any chance this season, we are going to need Wotton, Perry, Davis, Skacel and Euell to ALL play a part in the team. With the exception of Lallana, I felt the last 4 players were our best on Saturday. I never felt they were about to make a mistake and drop us in it. I take your point, I just don't see that it's Wotton, Davis or Skacel or God help us Euell's age that makes them better players than others. Players can make mistakes whatever their age, and you don't have to be over twenty to know that it's sometimes a good idea to smack it into touch. Young players may be less developed than older players and therefore vulnerable to the physical game. I haven't noticed our team getting kicked of the park this season though - and that's in the supposedly physical Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 MLT has traditionally backed Rupert so this is a big blow to Rupert's slim hopes of saving his status quo. About time the Echo (awful rag) and Radio Solent turned up the heat on Wilde and Lowe as well. I have been at a few dinners where Matt has been the after dinner speaker and he is far from Wuperts greatest fan in fact he confirmed what the vast majority know that Wupert is a nob. In fact whenever I have heard him speak he is refreshling honest and genuinely loves the club I agree with him we could use 1 or 2 old heads in the team Jason Euell has made a difference when he has played we do need some experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I find it a great shame that the great man does not have a more direct role within the club. Anyone know if that is his personal choice, or has never had the offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 its not about age its about lack of quality. Gobern, Wotton, Pekard, Smith, Thompson, Robertson. Different ages but all very average indeed. What we need is better players playign every week. A fully fit Svensson and Euell for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Get the bugger on the training ground to teach them how to take corners and free kicks, in the case of McG & Wotton how to take a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I take your point, I just don't see that it's Wotton, Davis or Skacel or God help us Euell's age that makes them better players than others. Players can make mistakes whatever their age, and you don't have to be over twenty to know that it's sometimes a good idea to smack it into touch. Young players may be less developed than older players and therefore vulnerable to the physical game. I haven't noticed our team getting kicked of the park this season though - and that's in the supposedly physical Championship. Mistakes. I used to work with a guy who said as you get more experienced, you don't make fewer mistakes, but you do recognise and correct them quicker. I think that is applicable here. When a move goes wrong and we give away possesion, we need experienced players who will react quickly and organise the team to prevent us conceding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I find it a great shame that the great man does not have a more direct role within the club. Anyone know if that is his personal choice, or has never had the offer? I think he was offered something just after RL went first time but he earns far more on Sports Saturday compared to what was being offered!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Mistakes. I used to work with a guy who said as you get more experienced, you don't make fewer mistakes, but you do recognise and correct them quicker. I think that is applicable here. When a move goes wrong and we give away possesion, we need experienced players who will react quickly and organise the team to prevent us conceding. I think you are partly right, I think the more experienced players see the dangers or the opportunities earlier and the potential mistakes of others and react to them. We are being killed at the moment on three fronts. In attack the players not immediately involved on the ball are not making the effort to get into the box on the off chance. Secondly as well as being guilty of too much ball watching, our players again not immediately involved in defending the ball are not making the effort to get goalside of the opponents runners trying to get into the box. Thirdly the markers are not getting tight enough and lay off, making this even worse is the cover being too loose, probably caused by the midfielders not getting goalside. Too many of our players are standing watching or just ambling back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Why oh why can nobody at that bloody club see that its all very well playing youngsters BUT you need an experienced, older defence !! Play the kids in midfield and upfront by all means but have a solid, experienced back four who are a bit wiser to what attacking teams are about than our current defence. To call them naieve is an understatement, as Dave Bassett commented teams will rub their hands playing us cos the defence is so young and vulnerable. I cant remember seeing a defender of Lancashire's age who is so bloody slow. Why do you think he gets booked or sent off so much ? Its cos his tackling is about a second or two late every time and thats because he is slow in mind and body. Play Perry and get a partner for him who has been around and knows the game, plus a couple of experienced full backs (or one at a push cos Skacel is adequate, altho wasted, there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I think you are partly right, I think the more experienced players see the dangers or the opportunities earlier and the potential mistakes of others and react to them. We are being killed at the moment on three fronts. In attack the players not immediately involved on the ball are not making the effort to get into the box on the off chance. Secondly as well as being guilty of too much ball watching, our players again not immediately involved in defending the ball are not making the effort to get goalside of the opponents runners trying to get into the box. Thirdly the markers are not getting tight enough and lay off, making this even worse is the cover being too loose, probably caused by the midfielders not getting goalside. Too many of our players are standing watching or just ambling back. You have picked up on some of the problems..Surely the coach JP will soon. May I respectfully request that you get down to Staplewood and have a word in his ear..A little help may go a long way..Please, before it is too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 I cant remember seeing a defender of Lancashire's age who is so bloody slow. I was thinking the very same on Saturday at times. Not just of Lancashire but of the whole team. We had a team with an average age of around 20, yet there was no pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 good shout but nothing we didnt already know.shame he didnt suggest a better way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 (edited) I was thinking the very same on Saturday at times. Not just of Lancashire but of the whole team. We had a team with an average age of around 20, yet there was no pace. Big John McGrath had no pace but what a player But I take your point I thought England had a lot of pace last night which contributed to the win. Edited 20 November, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 MLT is a TRUE SAINT Whenever he rarely speaks out against the club it is because he has a valid point he gets resepct from all because he is very diplomatic and is careful with his words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 20 November, 2008 Share Posted 20 November, 2008 Saw Le Tiss today shopping at M&S in Hedge End, looking for a bargin. Doesn't really add much to the thread, but hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 MLT is one of the few people that could unite the fan base at the moment - interested parties should take note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 November, 2008 Share Posted 21 November, 2008 good shout but nothing we didnt already know.shame he didnt suggest a better way. Does he have to? What do we have a board and a manager for then? What the bloody hell do we pay them for? Presumably by saying that what Matty said was a good shout, you agree with it. You, me, Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. Everybody but this totally inept board and their naive manager and their policy of playing too many naive youngsters. The better way is self-evident. Sack the board who made this lunatic decision, get in a decent manager experienced in English football and getting out of this division, play a balanced blend of youngsters and older more experienced players. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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