Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) I wonder if anyone has any advise or has heard of similar to my situation. Got caught by a mobile Gatso the other night. Saw the flash and waited for the dreaded NIP to land on the door step. It duly came yesterday and as I was just about to fill it in noticed that they had the timings all wrong. Not by the odd hour, but by fully 10 hours. I was driving at night, but the NIP had me doing so in the morning. They have requested certain information as to who was driving the car at 11am that morning. 100% the car was not on the road at that hour and was parked in my drive. I will therefore wait 14 days, so a new NIP will be out of the time limit and advise them that I do not know who was driving and have a witness (my neighbour) that the car was in the drive at that time. Clearly it is not my place to do the police's job for them, so I am not going to answer a question they haven't asked ie who was driving at 9pm that night. Bearing in mind I already have points, I'm not going to go all moral and "do the right thing". Has anyone heard of this before and do you think I'll get off. Mrs Duck thinks they'll just say "ok, see you in court", as the NIP is just an offer of settlement in return for avioding court? I'm not so sure, as the only evidence they have is clearly wrong. Or maybe a clerk typed the NIP wrong ( I was led to believe they were automated).I dont want to get extra points/fine for taking the ****. But the allegation is I was speeding at 11am, and I am innocent of that. Edited 12 December, 2012 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 take what's come to you like a man, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Yep, wait the 14 days and send it back as you have suggested. Bloke in our office's son is a copper and its amazing how many of these seem to go out wrong - not only with times but even the wrong locations BUT STOP BLOODY SPEEDING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Yep, wait the 14 days and send it back as you have suggested. Bloke in our office's son is a copper and its amazing how many of these seem to go out wrong - not only with times but even the wrong locations BUT STOP BLOODY SPEEDING This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) They have requested certain information as to who was driving the car at 11am that morning. 100% the car was not on the road at that hour and was parked in my drive. I will therefore wait 14 days, so a new NIP will be out of the time limit and advise them that I do not know who was driving and have a witness (my neighbour) that the car was in the drive at that time. Clearly it is not my place to do the police's job for them, so I am not going to answer a question they haven't asked ie who was driving at 9pm that night. Bearing in mind I already have points, I'm not going to go all moral and "do the right thing". So you don't think any policeperson will read your post and make sure you pay and get points then? Have you read the small print ? Edited 12 December, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If Redknapp can be found "innocent" because of a technicality (i.e. laptop seized but later discovered that someone didn't fill out the right search form or suchlike) then you should be OK..... Even if it does get as far as the court all you have to do is point out to the judge that the photograph (which the prosecution will no doubt present a copy of) was taken at night time and not in daylight... Case dismissed... p.s. why were you speeding...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 You will likely get off if you play it right. Suggest you try this forum http://forums.pepipoo.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Adopt the mindset that you were unaware that you were photographed and respond accordingly. You know that they haven't got a photograph of you driving at the time stated on the form. I think that you will be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 run , run to the hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If Redknapp can be found "innocent" because of a technicality (i.e. laptop seized but later discovered that someone didn't fill out the right search form or suchlike) then you should be OK..... Even if it does get as far as the court all you have to do is point out to the judge that the photograph (which the prosecution will no doubt present a copy of) was taken at night time and not in daylight... Case dismissed... p.s. why were you speeding...? That's more down to 'arry being able to afford a very good (and expensive) lawyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 That's more down to 'arry being able to afford a very good (and expensive) lawyer reckon he'll get done myself because it's up to him to contest the details on the NIP and ask for a personal hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Cases are often dismissed on technical grounds, i.e. forms being wrongly completed. So you might be OK I'll be a character witness if you'll agree to pay half the cost of the speed awareness course I've just done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 FFS people, don't speed and you won't have to look for technicalities or payment for previous misdemeanours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Whatever you do, do it quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Hmmmmmm trying to find the old loop hole, not one of us are yer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I would fight it...if they cant get the date and time right..how can you be sure the speed they claim you did is right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I wonder if anyone has any advise or has heard of similar to my situation. Got caught by a mobile Gatso the other night. Saw the flash and waited for the dreaded NIP to land on the door step. It duly came yesterday and as I was just about to fill it in noticed that they had the timings all wrong. Not by the odd hour, but by fully 10 hours. I was driving at night, but the NIP had me doing so in the morning. They have requested certain information as to who was driving the car at 11am that morning. 100% the car was not on the road at that hour and was parked in my drive. I will therefore wait 14 days, so a new NIP will be out of the time limit and advise them that I do not know who was driving and have a witness (my neighbour) that the car was in the drive at that time. Clearly it is not my place to do the police's job for them, so I am not going to answer a question they haven't asked ie who was driving at 9pm that night. Bearing in mind I already have points, I'm not going to go all moral and "do the right thing". Has anyone heard of this before and do you think I'll get off. Mrs Duck thinks they'll just say "ok, see you in court", as the NIP is just an offer of settlement in return for avioding court? I'm not so sure, as the only evidence they have is clearly wrong. Or maybe a clerk typed the NIP wrong ( I was led to believe they were automated).I dont want to get extra points/fine for taking the ****. But the allegation is I was speeding at 11am, and I am innocent of that. I would reply writing a letter that the vehicle was not in use at the time stated. Keep all details that they have sent you. Fight this and you must surely win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Thanks for the replies, Wow, I thought everybody drove over the limit every now and again, but we do seem to have some very law abiding citizens on here. Hats off to them, but unfortunately I do go over the limitt occasionally and if caught would willingly accept my punishment. I was not however driving over the limit at 11am, so dont feel I should accept that. If anyone was pulled over by a copper and accused of breaking the limit, when they knew full well they weren't. Would they say " I wasn't then officer, but 10 hours ago I did do so, so can you charge me with that? My gut feeling is that it will boil down to whether the camera had the wrong time on it or whether a clerk made an error on the NIP. If the camera was wrong, surely I can defend myself on the grounds of "what else was wrong with that camera". If the clerk made an error, I guess it'll be whether the cort consider that material to the case. Either way, all I'm going to do is send back NIP with statement that nobody was driving car at that time and see what happens. I would be interested if this is a regular thing and if anyone else has had the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm with you ducks, if they can't accurately tell you what time it was you can be like "then how can I tell you who was driving?" I've been done speeding few times. I'm a maverick, I make my own judgements bout what is safe speed. Sometimes it is more than limit, sometimes it is less than limit. I'm pretty careful bout not killing people tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 A decent person would deny they were speeding when then camera said they were but admit to their crime at the proper time when they did it. It would ease your conscience and enable you to be suitably punished for your offence and it would also alert the police to the faults it their equipment, allowing them to investigate and repair with the potential outcome that it may save lives or serious injury in the future. If someone were to be involved in a serious incident there and you have spoken up then I hope saving 3 points and £60 enables you to sleep at night when you could have prevented it, I'm sure you'll come to the right decision, not just for yourself but for the greater good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 A decent person would deny they were speeding when then camera said they were but admit to their crime at the proper time when they did it. It would ease your conscience and enable you to be suitably punished for your offence and it would also alert the police to the faults it their equipment, allowing them to investigate and repair with the potential outcome that it may save lives or serious injury in the future. If someone were to be involved in a serious incident there and you have spoken up then I hope saving 3 points and £60 enables you to sleep at night when you could have prevented it, I'm sure you'll come to the right decision, not just for yourself but for the greater good. If the time is wrong then how do we know the speed was correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If the time is wrong then how do we know the speed was correct? He knows he was speeding, he virtually admitted it. I hope his conscience is clear. He could be preventing accident and injury or evens death by being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 He knows he was speeding, he virtually admitted it. I hope his conscience is clear. He could be preventing accident and injury or evens death by being honest. How so? Whatever action he (or she?) takes in relation to this event will not have any effect on the future. What matters is that everybody drives more sensibly and more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 How so? Whatever action he (or she?) takes in relation to this event will not have any effect on the future. What matters is that everybody drives more sensibly and more carefully. If they confess to their crimes the police will realise they have faulty equipment and be able to repair it, this could lead to the capture of other people violating road laws and potentially saving people from serious injury. It's the 'me first' attitude that is so prelevant here that is damaging society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If they confess to their crimes the police will realise they have faulty equipment and be able to repair it, this could lead to the capture of other people violating road laws and potentially saving people from serious injury. It's the 'me first' attitude that is so prelevant here that is damaging society. That's if you believe that speed cameras lead to safer driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 If they confess to their crimes the police will realise they have faulty equipment and be able to repair it, this could lead to the capture of other people violating road laws and potentially saving people from serious injury. It's the 'me first' attitude that is so prelevant here that is damaging society. here's 3 scenarios... 1. turkish never speeds 2. when turkish does realise he is speeding he goes directly to the nearest cop shop and reports himself 3. turkish is on a wind-up....again.... confess to your crime turkish! and potential save people from taking you seriously! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 That's if you believe that speed cameras lead to safer driving. Slower driving, but not necessary safer driving! There are a lot of loons that drive slowly/at the speed limit but still try and kill you on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Slower driving, but not necessary safer driving! There are a lot of loons that drive slowly/at the speed limit but still try and kill you on the road. Exactly. Driver awareness and training are what's necessary but that involves a whole new attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 here's 3 scenarios... 1. turkish never speeds 2. when turkish does realise he is speeding he goes directly to the nearest cop shop and reports himself 3. turkish is on a wind-up....again.... confess to your crime turkish! and potential save people from taking you seriously! lol I only speed when I drive drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Mrs duck has made a good point to me tonight over this. Had I not seen the flash that evening I would now be questioning mrs duck as to wtf she was doing in my car driving down that road when she told me she had a course at work. Therefore if they come back and admit they got the time wrong I am going today play the "this mistake put a strain on my marrige and effected my right to a family life" card", writing a heartfelt story of mistrust,upset and recriminations. They may drop the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Presumably the photo would be in daylight, and show who was driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Alternatively Mrs D was driving at 11:00Am and got done (you could also charge her with taking and using the car with out you consent) whilst you also got done at 11:00pm just wait for the second Nips to drop through the door onto the carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Just say you needed to take a siht - it worked for Fergie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Alternatively Mrs D was driving at 11:00Am and got done (you could also charge her with taking and using the car with out you consent) whilst you also got done at 11:00pm just wait for the second Nips to drop through the door onto the carpet. no , car was with me all day, I had the day off and was doing some work in the garden. My neighbour will confirm, I've already spoken to him. As someone said earlier I'm sure the photo will show it was dark when taken. I'm pretty sure I'll get off if the camera was set up wrong as they have no evidence i was speeding at 9pm , they may not even know the time i drove through there,and I'm certainly not going to tell them. My only doubt is if there was an admin error and the photo has the correct time on. They have evidence , it's just a question of whether the summons is invalid due to nip having wrong time. Shame there's no lawyers posting on here, as nodoubt I'll cock something up that'll come back and bite me in the arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Shame there's no lawyers posting on here, as nodoubt I'll cock something up that'll come back and bite me in the arse. if you can wait until a bit later I'll PM you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 no , car was with me all day, I had the day off and was doing some work in the garden. My neighbour will confirm, I've already spoken to him. As someone said earlier I'm sure the photo will show it was dark when taken. I'm pretty sure I'll get off if the camera was set up wrong as they have no evidence i was speeding at 9pm , they may not even know the time i drove through there,and I'm certainly not going to tell them. My only doubt is if there was an admin error and the photo has the correct time on. They have evidence , it's just a question of whether the summons is invalid due to nip having wrong time. Shame there's no lawyers posting on here, as nodoubt I'll cock something up that'll come back and bite me in the arse. I thought we were all Lawyers in our own barrack room way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 no , car was with me all day, I had the day off and was doing some work in the garden. My neighbour will confirm, I've already spoken to him. As someone said earlier I'm sure the photo will show it was dark when taken. I'm pretty sure I'll get off if the camera was set up wrong as they have no evidence i was speeding at 9pm , they may not even know the time i drove through there,and I'm certainly not going to tell them. My only doubt is if there was an admin error and the photo has the correct time on. They have evidence , it's just a question of whether the summons is invalid due to nip having wrong time. Shame there's no lawyers posting on here, as nodoubt I'll cock something up that'll come back and bite me in the arse. Well, if the time is wrong then the speed may be wrong too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 no , car was with me all day, I had the day off and was doing some work in the garden. My neighbour will confirm, I've already spoken to him. As someone said earlier I'm sure the photo will show it was dark when taken. I'm pretty sure I'll get off if the camera was set up wrong as they have no evidence i was speeding at 9pm , they may not even know the time i drove through there,and I'm certainly not going to tell them. My only doubt is if there was an admin error and the photo has the correct time on. They have evidence , it's just a question of whether the summons is invalid due to nip having wrong time. Shame there's no lawyers posting on here, as nodoubt I'll cock something up that'll come back and bite me in the arse. This looks like concocting an Alibi, and as this thread could be looked at by the boys in blue it could be seen that you had planned the whole speeding thing to start with. Looks like they have got you bang to rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 This looks like concocting an Alibi, and as this thread could be looked at by the boys in blue it could be seen that you had planned the whole speeding thing to start with. Looks like they have got you bang to rights Plus 10 hours difference sounds like a clerical error, typing 1100 hrs instead of 2100hrs. They've got the photo, he'll get done but as he thinks he's smarter than the state he's determined to go down his own road. When you get nicked you admit that it's a fair cop and pay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 This looks like concocting an Alibi, and as this thread could be looked at by the boys in blue it could be seen that you had planned the whole speeding thing to start with. Looks like they have got you bang to rights Dont worry, the link to this thread has already been sent to crimestoppers. Im sure the charges of conspiracy to pervet the course of justice will be brought to bare against those assisting the offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 But cases are often dismissed because of incorrect paperwork / mistakes whether or not the magistrate(s) agree that an offence has been committed. Having recently done one myself, I reckon he should do the morally right thing at least and pay for himself to go on a Driver Awareness course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Thanks for the replies, Wow, I thought everybody drove over the limit every now and again, but we do seem to have some very law abiding citizens on here. Hats off to them, but unfortunately I do go over the limitt occasionally and if caught would willingly accept my punishment. I was not however driving over the limit at 11am, so dont feel I should accept that. If anyone was pulled over by a copper and accused of breaking the limit, when they knew full well they weren't. Would they say " I wasn't then officer, but 10 hours ago I did do so, so can you charge me with that? My gut feeling is that it will boil down to whether the camera had the wrong time on it or whether a clerk made an error on the NIP. If the camera was wrong, surely I can defend myself on the grounds of "what else was wrong with that camera". If the clerk made an error, I guess it'll be whether the cort consider that material to the case. Either way, all I'm going to do is send back NIP with statement that nobody was driving car at that time and see what happens. I would be interested if this is a regular thing and if anyone else has had the same situation. I'm caught in 2 minds about this. On one hand being in my position I wouldget on my high horse and tell you to stop speeding. But if this happened to me, I'd fight it all the way, so I suggest you do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I wonder if anyone has any advise or has heard of similar to my situation. Got caught by a mobile Gatso the other night. Saw the flash and waited for the dreaded NIP to land on the door step. It duly came yesterday and as I was just about to fill it in noticed that they had the timings all wrong. Not by the odd hour, but by fully 10 hours. I was driving at night, but the NIP had me doing so in the morning. They have requested certain information as to who was driving the car at 11am that morning. 100% the car was not on the road at that hour and was parked in my drive. I will therefore wait 14 days, so a new NIP will be out of the time limit and advise them that I do not know who was driving and have a witness (my neighbour) that the car was in the drive at that time. Clearly it is not my place to do the police's job for them, so I am not going to answer a question they haven't asked ie who was driving at 9pm that night. Bearing in mind I already have points, I'm not going to go all moral and "do the right thing". Has anyone heard of this before and do you think I'll get off. Mrs Duck thinks they'll just say "ok, see you in court", as the NIP is just an offer of settlement in return for avioding court? I'm not so sure, as the only evidence they have is clearly wrong. Or maybe a clerk typed the NIP wrong ( I was led to believe they were automated).I dont want to get extra points/fine for taking the ****. But the allegation is I was speeding at 11am, and I am innocent of that. You have committed a crime. Why are you trying to get out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I'm caught in 2 minds about this. On one hand being in my position I wouldget on my high horse and tell you to stop speeding. But if this happened to me, I'd fight it all the way, so I suggest you do this. That doesn't surprise me. You'd probably struggle to pay the fine after losing all your child benefit. Another example where you think you don't have to pay your own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You have committed a crime. Why are you trying to get out of it? I did not commit a crime at 11am, I was working in my drive. Now unless you feel that everybody who goes over the speed limit, should contact the police and confess, why on earth should I tell them that I did speed at 9pm? If I receive a NIP asking who was driving at 9PM, I will fill it out and accept the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 You have committed a crime. Why are you trying to get out of it? Not technically a crime, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 Ask for the photographic evidence, which presumably will show it was dark ergo you werent speeding as charged at 11am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 December, 2012 Share Posted 13 December, 2012 I did not commit a crime at 11am, I was working in my drive. Now unless you feel that everybody who goes over the speed limit, should contact the police and confess, why on earth should I tell them that I did speed at 9pm? If I receive a NIP asking who was driving at 9PM, I will fill it out and accept the punishment. Typical isn't it. They are never guilty. It was always someone else's fault. Crap lawyer etc. you know what you've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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