Aaron Martin - permanent move to Coventry?

[Saint-Armstrong]

Sky Blues' manager Steven Pressley has confirmed that talks are underway to make Aaron Martin's loan move to Coventry permanent.

[Monk]

Did not know he was even out on loan!

[Colinjb]

He has done well there/here. A move would suit him, I suspect we have now been promoted far beyond his ability level.

[Crab Lungs]

Was just about to sell him a kitchen! Well, I assume it's for him. Naughty Aaron.

[Andre]

Never really proved himself as good enough for our ambitions. Good luck to him, seems like a nice lad.

[pingwing]

Good on the lad, most important bit of the academy is making sure they get first team somewhere.

[S-Clarke]

Would have been a good story if he made it big here, but he was only ever a cover defender at L1 level if we're honest. Wasn't great at Championship level.

 

Good move for him.

[The9]

How can Coventry afford him with the current mess they're in ?

[VectisSaint]

Good on the lad, most important bit of the academy is making sure they get first team somewhere.

Not an Academy product. He was 20 when he signed from Eastleigh. Fellow Caulkhead, still think he is good enough for the Championship, hopefully Coventry will get him back there soon.

[S-Clarke]

How can Coventry afford him with the current mess they're in ?

 

It'll probably be a nominal fee if anything. 150-250k tops. Can't see him being worth more than that.

[simo]

I know a lot of people dont rate him but I cant think of a time hes let us down when playing

[Smirking_Saint]

Good luck to the lad, possibly not good enough for us but is a decent lad by all accounts and hopefully will find a home at Coventry

[UpweySaint]

Good on the lad, most important bit of the academy is making sure they get first team somewhere.

 

Being a bit picky but he's not really an academy grad. We got him in from eastleigh. All the same good to see the lad getting first team football at a decent level!

[The9]

It'll probably be a nominal fee if anything. 150-250k tops. Can't see him being worth more than that.

 

Even so... they're in admin, talks of leaving the Ricoh and there appears to be some question about the location of various sums of cash and even the golden share within SISU's various holding structures.

 

Then again we managed to find a million for Schneiderlin, but it's not like they're going to have any income for a few months and one major source of income, replica kit sale, could be stifled by the need to stump up cash for stock (as it was with Saints).

[The9]

I know a lot of people dont rate him but I cant think of a time hes let us down when playing

 

He let me down every time he sidefooted it into the Itchen instead of passing it up the line in League One, but then I do have high standards.

[Minty]

He could end up being another Mike Williamson, and be in the Prem in 5 years time with someone, but a move for him wouldn't be a bad thing now IMO.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

It was shame that we sent him out on loan and kept seaborne last season. There was one time in the season when we were defensively short and Martin would have been able to do a job for us, but wasn't there to be able to take his chance. He was definitely a quality League 1 player and could some day, with more experience, become a decent Championship defender. He could potentially even make it one day in the EPL.

[Colinjb]

It was shame that we sent him out on loan and kept seaborne last season. There was one time in the season when we were defensively short and Martin would have been able to do a job for us, but wasn't there to be able to take his chance. He was definitely a quality League 1 player and could some day, with more experience, become a decent Championship defender. He could potentially even make it one day in the EPL.

 

I'm sorry. But local bias aside, Seaborne was clearly the better defender.

 

Neither were perfect but Martin got more slack as he was a local lad. Time for Aaron to prove himself. He is pro quality.... time to find his level.

[david in sweden]

He has done well there/here. A move would suit him, I suspect we have now been promoted far beyond his ability level.

 

......which is a great pity, Colin. one always likes to see local lads get a go, and TBF he didn't look the world's worst when he filled in for injuries last season..and he got a couple of goals, too.

 

He may well end up a sort of ....Crainie / Williamsson / Monk type player. Looks good as youth team player, but never gets the chance of first team action and makes his way up the Leagues one at a time.

[The9]

He could end up being another Mike Williamson, and be in the Prem in 5 years time with someone, but a move for him wouldn't be a bad thing now IMO.

 

Only if he learns to somehow get away with assaulting the striker off the ball every time the ball goes near him in the air like Williamson somehow does.

[VectisSaint]

I'm sorry. But local bias aside, Seaborne was clearly the better defender.

 

Neither were perfect but Martin got more slack as he was a local lad. Time for Aaron to prove himself. He is pro quality.... time to find his level.

Martin is really a much better central defender than Dan will ever be. Seaborne had the advantage though that he could play LB at a push. Martin will I am sure prove himself in the long run, much like as someone else said Mike Williamson has or even Gary Monk. Many CBs mature later than other young players and Martin is still learning having not been part of the academy, so will be an even later developer in some ways. Physically much better adapted to the life of a professional CB and actually could play a little, his hoofs into the stand were really part of his inexperience, but to be honest its a better tactic than some of the comedy defending we have seen from some of our experienced CBs this season, especially early on. Good luck to the nipper, perhaps PL 3 years after non-league for a CB is a bit much to expect.

[The9]

Martin is really a much better central defender than Dan will ever be. Seaborne had the advantage though that he could play LB at a push. Martin will I am sure prove himself in the long run, much like as someone else said Mike Williamson has or even Gary Monk. Many CBs mature later than other young players and Martin is still learning having not been part of the academy, so will be an even later developer in some ways. Physically much better adapted to the life of a professional CB and actually could play a little, his hoofs into the stand were really part of his inexperience, but to be honest its a better tactic than some of the comedy defending we have seen from some of our experienced CBs this season, especially early on. Good luck to the nipper, perhaps PL 3 years after non-league for a CB is a bit much to expect.

 

Could be useful him moving away, the academy isn't exactly well known for our centre backs. You wonder if that's due to the maturity required or just that we shift the better ones to other positions.

[VectisSaint]

Could be useful him moving away, the academy isn't exactly well known for our centre backs. You wonder if that's due to the maturity required or just that we shift the better ones to other positions.

Its one of the down sides to the academy system in my opinion. CBs and GKs are not well suited to the academy system (not forgetting of course that AM was not academy). They mature later and really the better ones are not seen in the age groups up to 18, when physical development has not even finished. There are exceptions of course and some of the best will always shine through. You could argue this about old fashioned centre forwards as well, but as football moves away from these types it is less of an issue. It is something the FA should address, it is no coincidence in my view that England is so short (excuse the pun) in these 2 areas, that said I'm not sure that other countries address this in any better way than we do, perhaps its just that other countries do not look for the big CBs that we are used to and which we still try to breed. Interesting thought. I wonder if Jack Stephens will eventually make it?

[buctootim]

Could be useful him moving away, the academy isn't exactly well known for our centre backs. You wonder if that's due to the maturity required or just that we shift the better ones to other positions.

 

In the last 10 years ir so the academy has produced three outstanding left backs, three top class right mids and a couple of okay CMs. Not a sniff of a decent goalkeeper, CB, or striker. Wonder if that is co-incidence or deliberate planning.

[hypochondriac]

In the last 10 years ir so the academy has produced three outstanding left backs, three top class right mids and a couple of okay CMs. Not a sniff of a decent goalkeeper, CB, or striker. Wonder if that is co-incidence or deliberate planning.

 

Walcott?

[The Kraken]

In the last 10 years ir so the academy has produced three outstanding left backs, three top class right mids and a couple of okay CMs. Not a sniff of a decent goalkeeper, CB, or striker. Wonder if that is co-incidence or deliberate planning.

 

Striker? Not so sure about that. Walcott was a striker all the way through the academy, and played for us there in the Championship. Just Wenger turned him into a RM. We also pinched Dexter Blackstock and Leon Best, though I don't think you can truly count them.

 

CB and GK, though: absolutely. Chris Baird is the only one who you could argue for at CB and he was never really cut of for it.

[krissyboy31]

I guess it depends what level you're talking about? International class? Premier League standard? or professional footballer? Also depends on your view of what age is acceptable for the player to join the Academy to be one of ours.

[VectisSaint]

In the last 10 years ir so the academy has produced three outstanding left backs, three top class right mids and a couple of okay CMs. Not a sniff of a decent goalkeeper, CB, or striker. Wonder if that is co-incidence or deliberate planning.

My point exactly in the previous post to yours, don't think it is a deliberate policy though, just the way the academy system often works at the moment. We did actually produce 2 decent looking CBs, in Cranie and the other lad whose name escapes me. But neither translated into anything other than average CBs when they finally matured, despite Cranie captaining the England u21s many times. Walcott may be a striker to some extent now, but I think its reall old-school CFs that the academy system struggles with, and of course Bairdy was not a CB, but a LB who managed to play well at CB when we were in deparate straights in that area, due largely to his phenomenal leap, but he has hardly played at CB since his departure to Fulham. Blackstock and Best have proved to be half decent at Championship level, and although we did bring them in from outside they were clearly part of our academy, but again they are hardly shining examples of top strikers. Of course we did produce a certain A Shearer many years ago, but that pre-dates the current academy system by many years. Michael Poke is about the only keeper to have graduated in recent times, and even he has struggled to make a go at anything above L2 level.

[UpweySaint]

My point exactly in the previous post to yours, don't think it is a deliberate policy though, just the way the academy system often works at the moment. We did actually produce 2 decent looking CBs, in Cranie and the other lad whose name escapes me. But neither translated into anything other than average CBs when they finally matured, despite Cranie captaining the England u21s many times. Walcott may be a striker to some extent now, but I think its reall old-school CFs that the academy system struggles with, and of course Bairdy was not a CB, but a LB who managed to play well at CB when we were in deparate straights in that area, due largely to his phenomenal leap, but he has hardly played at CB since his departure to Fulham. Blackstock and Best have proved to be half decent at Championship level, and although we did bring them in from outside they were clearly part of our academy, but again they are hardly shining examples of top strikers. Of course we did produce a certain A Shearer many years ago, but that pre-dates the current academy system by many years. Michael Poke is about the only keeper to have graduated in recent times, and even he has struggled to make a go at anything above L2 level.

 

The only thing I would say is that England, as a general rule, dont produce an abundance of quality goalkeepers so that one is certainly not rare to us. Would be nice to know if any clubs had a particularly good record and, if so, what it was they were doing well or if its simply a case of lucking out with the players available to them ..

[ollysaints1]

It'll probably be a nominal fee if anything. 150-250k tops. Can't see him being worth more than that.

 

Nominal fee's are generally considered to be no more that 5 figures, if he went for any where 6 figures I'd be amazed.

[The9]

My point exactly in the previous post to yours, don't think it is a deliberate policy though, just the way the academy system often works at the moment. We did actually produce 2 decent looking CBs, in Cranie and the other lad whose name escapes me. But neither translated into anything other than average CBs when they finally matured, despite Cranie captaining the England u21s many times. Walcott may be a striker to some extent now, but I think its reall old-school CFs that the academy system struggles with, and of course Bairdy was not a CB, but a LB who managed to play well at CB when we were in deparate straights in that area, due largely to his phenomenal leap, but he has hardly played at CB since his departure to Fulham. Blackstock and Best have proved to be half decent at Championship level, and although we did bring them in from outside they were clearly part of our academy, but again they are hardly shining examples of top strikers. Of course we did produce a certain A Shearer many years ago, but that pre-dates the current academy system by many years. Michael Poke is about the only keeper to have graduated in recent times, and even he has struggled to make a go at anything above L2 level.

 

Matt Mills, presumably ?