um pahars Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Just wondering whether this 16 month fling with MoPo has been worth it? It's been a wonderful season, with many fantastic memories, but we will come out of it stronger as a result of his departure? Would we have struggled had we stuck with Nigel?, got relegated? or perhaps alternatively would we have slowly built up towards mid table safety (& beyond)? I'm torn between thinking we should have stuck with him as there was a really good feeling about the place and we were still moving forward and then thinking actually MoPo has shown what really was possible with the squad. I accept players and managers heads will be turned by clubs higher up the pecking order, it's the way of the world and has happened thoughout my Saints supporting life, but my issue here is that it really has only been one season. That's the bit that grates with me, in that he will walk out after so short a period of time. But I also accept when we talk about loyalty, we have to remember it works both ways and we as a club are happy to cut managers and players when it suits us, so not sure how we can be so upset about MoPo walking out on us after 16 months. So back to the question, was this fling worth it, or should we have stuck with Adkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 um, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Depends if you prefer to. E in the Championship or PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 No, he took us as far as he could - he'll never make a PL manager until he learns to formulate a plan b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I'm going to go with 'no-one knows'. edit. but obvious delldays will think he does. what is your problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 No we shouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Was wondering how long it would take for this thread to come up. No - Pochettino has been absolutely brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Nope. I will think the way Adkins was sacked was brutal and disrespectful until the day I die. The guy deserved to be treated with respect. But I just do not think he would of taken us any further then he did. He had a good squad of players who would of done well in the lower leagues regardless of manager. He has not done too well at Reading despite being there since march 2013. He has won 20 and lost 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 MoPo has been very good for us. I was very upset when he came on board, but he has done very well. My concern now is that we may have reverted to an attitude on the board that isn't that far removed form the attitude that the board had in the dark days of the duck hunter. We may well return to the days where the only purpose of the academy is to generate money through the sale of any promising player, and not to further the performance of the first team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 No. Look how MP improved players like S Davis, Lallana, Fonte, Rodriguez. No point settling for what you have if there is someone better - and MP is better than Adkins. In hindsight, Adkins was lucky to work with talent like Lallana, Chamberlain, Lambert, Fonte, Cork, Schneiderlin etc outside the top flight - and did a great job, but with top players who have proven themselves a level or two above L1 and the Champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Think Adkins was well on course to keep us up last season. Doubt we'd have reached the heights so quickly but if the current don't have same ambitions as cortèse the stability of keeping Adkins might have suited them better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I actually think Nigel had turned it around when he was sacked and would have kept us up. After that who knows but MP has had access to better players this season and I see no reason Nigel couldn't have got decent results with the same players if he was still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamiSaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I would LOVE Adkins to come back if MoPo goes...He was essential to our success, and in building a team and set of fans that were (pretty) united. He's exactly the kind of manager who fits my vision of the sort of club I think Saints should be. Doubt it will happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Nope. I think the decision was the right one and that he was over-awed with the size of the task. Difficult to know how good he really is; didn't save Reading - which was admittedly a hard job, but didn't get them promoted this year either. We enjoyed a lot of success under his reign, but then, we were spending a mil in League One for Lambert and buying players from the division above. The team showed both immediate and longer-term improvement under Poch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I actually think Nigel had turned it around when he was sacked and would have kept us up. After that who knows but MP has had access to better players this season and I see no reason Nigel couldn't have got decent results with the same players if he was still here. and yet his results at Reading are highly discutable. If the Russian wallah hadn't left them in limbo Adkins would have been sacked by now. Redknapp got his vastly reduced team back up, Adkins didn't even make the play-offs, mainly due to some very, very, poor results, like the home draw with 8 man yeovil. He is not a PL manager as of yet and probably never ever will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I think MP got lucky insomuch we had a nucleus of really good players here when he took over. I am more worried about them leaving than MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I think MP got lucky insomuch we had a nucleus of really good players here when he took over. I am more worried about them leaving than MP. Problem being if they are intrinsically linked of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 and yet his results at Reading are highly discutable. If the Russian wallah hadn't left them in limbo Adkins would have been sacked by now. Redknapp got his vastly reduced team back up, Adkins didn't even make the play-offs, mainly due to some very, very, poor results, like the home draw with 8 man yeovil. He is not a PL manager as of yet and probably never ever will be. Probably true but Reading supporters I know as I live in Berkshire think he did quite well with injuries and never thought the squad were realistically promotion material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Find it hard to believe any of the championship managers would have struggled more with the QPR squad. QPR's squad was poor this season, they've cut costs and the side has suffered. I mean Clint Hill and Richard Dunne just are too old for any serious purpose except winning high balls, Zamora, that's pure junk on a realistic basis compared to say Remy. Rednapp has done well, cut costs and got promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Back to the question: I think we would have made steady progress with NA, rather than a few quick leaps forward, followed by a sudden collapse. So, for me, over a longer period I think we'd have been better off keeping NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 No, he took us as far as he could - he'll never make a PL manager until he learns to formulate a plan b Oddly enough Pochettino never seemed to have a plan B either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 and yet his results at Reading are highly discutable. If the Russian wallah hadn't left them in limbo Adkins would have been sacked by now. Redknapp got his vastly reduced team back up, Adkins didn't even make the play-offs, mainly due to some very, very, poor results, like the home draw with 8 man yeovil. He is not a PL manager as of yet and probably never ever will be. Due to having the finical carpet pulled out from under him and a horrendous injury list the fact you can compare Reading to QPR shows you're talking carp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Oddly enough Pochettino never seemed to have a plan B either. well, he did actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Oddly enough Pochettino never seemed to have a plan B either. I thought plan B was subbing Lallana for Gaston........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Back to the question: I think we would have made steady progress with NA, rather than a few quick leaps forward, followed by a sudden collapse. So, for me, over a longer period I think we'd have been better off keeping NA. yeah think you might be right progress would have been slower but steady I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 well, he did actually. Nah he didnt. He stuck to the high pressing game come what may even when it wasnt working / the players were too knackered to keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Nah he didnt. He stuck to the high pressing game come what may even when it wasnt working / the players were too knackered to keep it up. yeah, he did you dont get to a comfortable 8th and snapped up by a bigger club for being 1 dimensional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I would have him back tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 yeah, he did you dont get to a comfortable 8th and snapped up by a bigger club for being 1 dimensional What was the plan B then DD? What wwere the main features of his other main game plan? What did he change tactically mid game when things weren't working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The treatment of Adkins was appalling - and certainly lowered our reputation elsewhere. Ironically, Cortese then got the push and now Pochettino has shown us lack of respect. What goes around comes around. Football is a dirty old business these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Lets all get the white hankies out again, great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 What was the plan B then DD? What wwere the main features of his other main game plan? What did he change tactically mid game when things weren't working? no matter what I say, you will disagree. lets save this place the hassle of us going over 15 posts arguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Definitely not. As I said at the time, Getting rid of Adkins was the right thing to do. He had taken us as far as he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 no matter what I say, you will disagree. lets save this place the hassle of us going over 15 posts arguing Its a simple question. You insist he had a plan B. We know what plan A was - possession game, high pressing. What was plan B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Just wondering whether this 16 month fling with MoPo has been worth it? It's been a wonderful season, with many fantastic memories, but we will come out of it stronger as a result of his departure? Would we have struggled had we stuck with Nigel?, got relegated? or perhaps alternatively would we have slowly built up towards mid table safety (& beyond)? I'm torn between thinking we should have stuck with him as there was a really good feeling about the place and we were still moving forward and then thinking actually MoPo has shown what really was possible with the squad. I accept players and managers heads will be turned by clubs higher up the pecking order, it's the way of the world and has happened thoughout my Saints supporting life, but my issue here is that it really has only been one season. That's the bit that grates with me, in that he will walk out after so short a period of time. But I also accept when we talk about loyalty, we have to remember it works both ways and we as a club are happy to cut managers and players when it suits us, so not sure how we can be so upset about MoPo walking out on us after 16 months. So back to the question, was this fling worth it, or should we have stuck with Adkins? The fling was worth it in that we improved immeasurably, although Poch was fortunate to inherit a good squad who improved under him. That said I think we would have stayed up and still improved under Adkins, just not as spectacularly. We'd have been a more attractive version of Stoke - middling about 10th-14th - free scoring and free conceding. The likes of Spurs would not be interested in our manager, of course. With Nigel we'd have a medium level manager for the long term - good enough for us but not good enough that anyone else would want them - a Pulis, basically, just minus the awful football. My worry is our current management team might see an appointment of Adkins now as a nice little popular move. Not sure it would be, and I definitely think it would be a bad move for the team. Time to move forward under an exciting new era managed by Malkay McKay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Where is the actually news on mopo? This site has a cr*p news section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 The fling was worth it in that we improved immeasurably, although Poch was fortunate to inherit a good squad who improved under him. That said I think we would have stayed up and still improved under Adkins, just not as spectacularly. We'd have been a more attractive version of Stoke - middling about 10th-14th - free scoring and free conceding. The likes of Spurs would not be interested in our manager, of course. With Nigel we'd have a medium level manager for the long term - good enough for us but not good enough that anyone else would want them - a Pulis, basically, just minus the awful football. My worry is our current management team might see an appointment of Adkins now as a nice little popular move. Not sure it would be, and I definitely think it would be a bad move for the team. Time to move forward under an exciting new era managed by Malkay McKay. fair assessment would also wonder whether milling about 14th with the more poor games that would bring would see us having 3 players (probably would have been 4) going to the world cup? never know, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 fair assessment would also wonder whether milling about 14th with the more poor games that would bring would see us having 3 players (probably would have been 4) going to the world cup? never know, obviously Quite. Shaw is clearly brilliant anyway, but would the other three developed on in the way they have? Not sure. That said Nige seemed to get a lot out of Jack Cork, so who knows we could have had five in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 So we are blaiming the board for their ambition (which I agree to) but then suggests to go backwards......swf logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 So we are blaiming the board for their ambition (which I agree to) but then suggests to go backwards......swf logic. Who are you talking about or to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Can anyone think of a 'plan B' they've seen employed by a manager which hasn't involved lumping balls into the box? Managers change tactics during games all the time. That includes Pochettino. Only turning to direct crossing football seems obvious enough to most fans to be labelled a 'plan B' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Time to move forward under an exciting new era managed by Malkay McKay. I see what you did there. Clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Who are you talking about or to? I must´ve missed the rules about that you have to talk to someone specific. Otherwise I think my comment (and therefor opinion) was quite clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 (edited) Can anyone think of a 'plan B' they've seen employed by a manager which hasn't involved lumping balls into the box? Managers change tactics during games all the time. That includes Pochettino. Only turning to direct crossing football seems obvious enough to most fans to be labelled a 'plan B' Ah.This is one of those "I spotted it but most people wouldn't because Im sharper than you" posts. Edited 26 May, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 I must´ve missed the rules about that you have to talk to someone specific. Otherwise I think my comment (and therefor opinion) was quite clear. If you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 So we are blaiming the board for their ambition (which I agree to) but then suggests to go backwards......swf logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 If you say so. Thought I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 May, 2014 Share Posted 26 May, 2014 Thought I did. We all thought it was crystal clear we all did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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