eelpie Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11117 A bit of motivation from the coach during matches would not go amiss. And if Jan does not have answers in front of the box, he should stand aside for someone who does. The time has come for a realistic appraisal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He was certainly standing firm Saturday afternoon. He spent the last half hour of that match firmly rooted in the same place with his hands in his pockets and gave off the body language that spelled out CLUELESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He was certainly standing firm Saturday afternoon. He spent the last half hour of that match firmly rooted in the same place with his hands in his pockets and gave off the body language that spelled out CLUELESS. Not just this match mate, thats pretty much been his stance all season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He was certainly standing firm Saturday afternoon. He spent the last half hour of that match firmly rooted in the same place with his hands in his pockets and gave off the body language that spelled out CLUELESS. Maybe he's moonwalking :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 4-4-2 you ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 The pre-season prediction that JP would be gone by Christmas looks unlikely but I will be suprised if he is still here in a month's time. I'd be further surpised if moves were not already afoot to find a replacement (Cotterill anyone?) and allow JP to exit by "mutual consent". Just give it time .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 The pre-season prediction that JP would be gone by Christmas looks unlikely but I will be suprised if he is still here in a month's time. I'd be further surpised if moves were not already afoot to find a replacement (Cotterill anyone?) and allow JP to exit by "mutual consent". Just give it time .... I think you're underestimating the ego of a certain Rupert Lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think you're underestimating the ego of a certain Rupert Lowe Ego certainly but the man isn't totally stupid. The results from now until end January will determine JP's fate but it's going to need a remarkable transformation if he is to keep his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Ego certainly but the man isn't totally stupid. The results from now until end January will determine JP's fate but it's going to need a remarkable transformation if he is to keep his job. Lowe knows his shares are now worth fecuk all, and I wouldn't be surprised if he saw the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" as his last throw of the dice. If it doesn't come off he hasn't lost anything as it's technically already been lost. IMHO, he'll stick with this until the end, for good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Why would JP walk out of a well paid job in this climate - where is he to go from here? He was plucked from nowhere (apologies to Dutch football) and that is where he will go back to. This is his big payday its not just him that needs to go as Wotte and Gorre also need to follow and lets get in someone that can actually influence a game not look like a frightened rabbit every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I have seen Steve Cotterill at just about every Saturday game at St Mary's recently. I assume he is either scouting or working as a Prozone anayst. He would be a very good candidate for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Why would JP walk out of a well paid job in this climate - where is he to go from here? He was plucked from nowhere (apologies to Dutch football) and that is where he will go back to. This is his big payday its not just him that needs to go as Wotte and Gorre also need to follow and lets get in someone that can actually influence a game not look like a frightened rabbit every week. And I don't think that there is any way that Lowe will sack Jan because to do so would be an admission of failure on his part and IMHO as he is so intrinsically linked with this appointment, he would also have to fall on his sword. Therefore I think we are stuck with the status quo and we need to start praying that we either start to improve, or that the ar55r3 falls out of someone elses season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I have seen Steve Cotterill at just about every Saturday game at St Mary's recently. I assume he is either scouting or working as a Prozone anayst. He would be a very good candidate for the job. at nearly every chance he gets on telly he praises our club...you can just tell he is interested... would be interesting to see how he does and if he can turn us around...he knows this league and has done ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 What really annoys me is the excuse that the lads are tired, they are young fit lads and shouldnt be tired they should be able to play two games a week, they even had two days off last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Lowe knows his shares are now worth fecuk all, and I wouldn't be surprised if he saw the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" as his last throw of the dice. If it doesn't come off he hasn't lost anything as it's technically already been lost. IMHO, he'll stick with this until the end, for good or bad. Maybe, but that scenario requires JP to be willing to slug it out to the end as well which seems unlikely given his non-combative personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 What really annoys me is the excuse that the lads are tired, they are young fit lads and shouldnt be tired they should be able to play two games a week, they even had two days off last week. It's often said that teams, after a while, play in the personality of their manager and JP has seemed tired and careworn for most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 What really annoys me is the excuse that the lads are tired, they are young fit lads and shouldnt be tired they should be able to play two games a week, they even had two days off last week. I agree I dont like slating the lads but they let everybody down big time on saturday there are lots of teams in this league playing mainly youngsters and I think the there only young and they are tired excuse is wearing thin it seems to me if we are going to stay up it is time for a change. We have proven goal scorers at this level out on loan helping our rivals avoid the drop WTF it is time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 at nearly every chance he gets on telly he praises our club...you can just tell he is interested... would be interesting to see how he does and if he can turn us around...he knows this league and has done ok... The relocation costs would be minimal as well - he lives in Christchurch I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Ego certainly but the man isn't totally stupid. The results from now until end January will determine JP's fate but it's going to need a remarkable transformation if he is to keep his job. Isn't he? If he had any sense at all, he would have stuck with Pearson. The advantage there was that if things went pear-shaped, he could blame Crouch for appointing him, whereas if they went well, he could bask in the reflected glory. In short, he was on a win/win situation. Lowe gambled everything on this mad experiment working and getting rid of Crouch's man was a bonus. Unfortunately it hasn't worked, so all the blame sits firmly on his shoulders and IMO his reputation for sensible dealings has gone right out of the window at the same time. We are a joke and he is the chief clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 What really annoys me is the excuse that the lads are tired, they are young fit lads and shouldnt be tired they should be able to play two games a week, they even had two days off last week. Surely the same must apply to all the other teams that we have played. I can't remember seeing any of those look 'tired'. They look completely lost to me, not tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Cotterill would be fab. Did well at Burnley until the very end. In the NP mould i would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 And another thing... Why on earth choose Davis as captain? How can he possibly influence anything when he's standing in goal concentrating on keeping out shots that are coming at him from 35 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 And I don't think that there is any way that Lowe will sack Jan because to do so would be an admission of failure on his part and IMHO as he is so intrinsically linked with this appointment, he would also have to fall on his sword. Therefore I think we are stuck with the status quo and we need to start praying that we either start to improve, or that the ar55r3 falls out of someone elses season. I disagree, he's sacked his appointments before. I don't think he particularly cares what you or I think as to whether he's admitting failure or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Just for those that peddle out the "we can't afford Cotterill". Dismiss Jan, Gorre, Wotte as 3 cost less than Pearson the compensation wont be that much. Get Rid of Smith, Pekhart, Gasmi, Pulis. Open up the beer bars at half-time against Man Utd you wasted last Saturday! the money would be enough to pay at least one weeks wages. Rupert you are being paid for 2 days work a week and lets be honest its failing dismally so why not reduce it to one - you can do 2 days in one if you plan your time better just concentrate on the urgent stuff like a decent manager and sending out p60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Isn't he? If he had any sense at all, he would have stuck with Pearson. The advantage there was that if things went pear-shaped, he could blame Crouch for appointing him, whereas if they went well, he could bask in the reflected glory. In short, he was on a win/win situation. Lowe gambled everything on this mad experiment working and getting rid of Crouch's man was a bonus. Unfortunately it hasn't worked, so all the blame sits firmly on his shoulders and IMO his reputation for sensible dealings has gone right out of the window at the same time. We are a joke and he is the chief clown. I agree. NP was the sensible low risk option at the time but Lowe's ego overrode all other considerations. Ego was the cause of his original downfall and it will be the same this time. Sad but entirely predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I disagree, he's sacked his appointments before. I don't think he particularly cares what you or I think as to whether he's admitting failure or not. I did think of that when I was posting (particularly the hiring and firing of Wigley), but just think that this time around he really has nailed his colours to the mast. There was a massive fanfare about this being the way forward and how revolutionary etc it was, so just think that this is not just about the appointment of a Manager (Head Coach), but is instead much bigger. I also think that maybe if this fails, then his support base might start to answer questions as this would be a second failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I did think of that when I was posting (particularly the hiring and firing of Wigley), but just think that this time around he really has nailed his colours to the mast. There was a massive fanfare about this being the way forward and how revolutionary etc it was, so just think that this is not just about the appointment of a Manager (Head Coach), but is instead much bigger. I also think that maybe if this fails, then his support base might start to answer questions as this would be a second failure. I truly believe he'd gladly bin off Jan, bring in someone else and claim that his vision was right but Jan wasn't up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I did think of that when I was posting (particularly the hiring and firing of Wigley), but just think that this time around he really has nailed his colours to the mast. There was a massive fanfare about this being the way forward and how revolutionary etc it was, so just think that this is not just about the appointment of a Manager (Head Coach), but is instead much bigger. I also think that maybe if this fails, then his support base might start to answer questions as this would be a second failure. third if you include Gray or did you mean something else when you said second failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I truly believe he'd gladly bin off Jan, bring in someone else and claim that his vision was right but Jan wasn't up to it. what is stopping himj then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Perhaps he doesn't consider 1 point off the dreaded zone as failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He must be under pressure else i don't think the website would have ran this story. They're at least recognising the fact there is a bit of pressure on him, that's the first time he's had it and does look like it might be teeing the club up for his removal. Don't think the article would have been shaped like that if his role was safe until the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think you're underestimating the ego of a certain Rupert Lowe If there is one thing that runs parallel to Ruperts ego it is probably his instinct for self preservation,so it seems likely that JP will be 'encouraged' to racknowledge the "mutual consent" option put in front of him. Wotte too has always struck me as someone who might be prepared to see JP leave in order to maintain his position. Lets not forget who it was that maintained contact with Rupert after he had unceremoniously been dumped by RL three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Cotterill would be fab. Did well at Burnley until the very end. In the NP mould i would say. Is that the Cotterill who had a 23 match run with Burnley without a win in 2006/7,and then a poor 11 game run in 2007/8 before being sacked ? I have previously advocated SC as a possibility given his achievements at Cheltenham BUT as pointed out to me before he has done bugger all of note since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 If there is one thing that runs parallel to Ruperts ego it is probably his instinct for self preservation,so it seems likely that JP will be 'encouraged' to racknowledge the "mutual consent" option put in front of him. Wotte too has always struck me as someone who might be prepared to see JP leave in order to maintain his position. Lets not forget who it was that maintained contact with Rupert after he had unceremoniously been dumped by RL three years ago. Forgive my lack of knowledge on this, but if it was Wotte that was approachced previously by Lowe, then why wasn't he given the managers job this time round? Was JP part of the equation last time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Forgive my lack of knowledge on this, but if it was Wotte that was approachced previously by Lowe, then why wasn't he given the managers job this time round? Was JP part of the equation last time? it was wotte and some other chap from feyenord (sp)...then burley came into the picture.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Is that the Cotterill who had a 23 match run with Burnley without a win in 2006/7,and then a poor 11 game run in 2007/8 before being sacked ? I have previously advocated SC as a possibility given his achievements at Cheltenham BUT as pointed out to me before he has done bugger all of note since. Would he take £50k a year? Could he earn more than that as a youth team coach at a Premiership side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 it was wotte and some other chap from feyenord (sp)...then burley came into the picture.. so how did we end up with JP rather than Wotte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Is that the Cotterill who had a 23 match run with Burnley without a win in 2006/7,and then a poor 11 game run in 2007/8 before being sacked ? I have previously advocated SC as a possibility given his achievements at Cheltenham BUT as pointed out to me before he has done bugger all of note since. He's not done a bad job at Burnley. Inconsistent, yes, but poor runs were always preceeded with very good spells. It shows what a good start they had in 06/07 that a 23 game winless streak didn't cost them there place in the division. But we've seen success doesn't always equal success again. But he does have knowledge of this league, he's worked under financial contraints before, he's young and English and, alright, maybe not thrived in this league, but certainly held his own in it. Plus, i think he's a good choice based on the fact we're broke and i reckon he's someone that is cheap but better than what we've got now. I'd have Davies everyday of the week if we could afford him. Don;t get me wrong, i hate his style, but whatever anyone says if you're winning football matches, the style is only of second importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 so how did we end up with JP rather than Wotte? that im sure we will never know..... just seems odd plucking someone from holland div 3 or what ever it is....just seems utter madness.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 so how did we end up with JP rather than Wotte? I think the bloke from Feyenoord was going to be the manager last time around, with Wotte in the same role he has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 so how did we end up with JP rather than Wotte? I wouldn't worry about it, we'll have Wotte soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think the bloke from Feyenoord was going to be the manager last time around, with Wotte in the same role he has now. It was Cees Lok last time with Wotte http://archive.dailyecho.co.uk/2005/12/30/97207.html Another thing to blame Wigley for ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 The trouble is that Lowe and some on here believe that just survival in this league is a good result. Whilst I understand the sentiments, the reality is that Lowe has put together a regime that will probably not even achieve survival. He has asked so much from so little and the buck stops with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 This is how bad our situation has got, that people are seriously thinking about cotterill..... what days are these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I did think of that when I was posting (particularly the hiring and firing of Wigley), but just think that this time around he really has nailed his colours to the mast. There was a massive fanfare about this being the way forward and how revolutionary etc it was, so just think that this is not just about the appointment of a Manager (Head Coach), but is instead much bigger. I also think that maybe if this fails, then his support base might start to answer questions as this would be a second failure. Captain Six Percent taking the good shop Southampton down for the second time "Not on my Watch " The ruddy faced Captain cried. "What happened to my exciting Total football revolution the envy of so many clubs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyR Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Same old crap talked by Jan every week. Getting all very predictable. I'm sure they'll be working extra hard on the training ground this week!! Not sure if he mentioned that this week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Same old crap talked by Jan every week. Getting all very predictable. I'm sure they'll be working extra hard on the training ground this week!! Not sure if he mentioned that this week!! Have to agree he does/has said the same thing all season. It is now at the point where i actually wonder if he knows it is his job to make the players motivated/want to win etc.. He talks as if he has no control of it and that makes me believe even more maybe he has now lost the dressing room. How long can he come out after every loss/draw saying what he is saying? If we lose to Plymouth i expect him to resign. That would be the worst sequence of results in this football clubs history. If any of us performed like that in our jobs we would be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 If he stays here and doesn't even change the formation or tactics we are using then we will be in League One next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Same old crap talked by Jan every week. Getting all very predictable. I'm sure they'll be working extra hard on the training ground this week!! Not sure if he mentioned that this week!! It's Wilde's job to write the post match appraisal / discussion piece, but unfortunately he's been busy with family commitments over seas, so the same one needs to be recycled every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Waiting for the chance to " bounce back" bit. Or the heart felt plea from one of the players about how they are going to try really hard next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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