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benjii

benjii

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17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I know some in Britain like the whole don't look back in anger thing in the immediate aftermath of a murder but maybe some people in other countries see that for what it is.

A symptom of a right wing, gun-toting society?

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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8 minutes ago, egg said:

That's your take. It's not her message as I see and hear it. Restraint is "his death shouldn't have happened, and while we should all unite, I'll carry Charlie's message". She carries the message of sadness and divide, not sadness and unity. She had a platform to promote some calm, not speak as she did the maga lot. 

A big chunk of her message is dedicated to asking people to join turning point USA in memory of her husband. Regardless, I'm not sure tone policing a widow in the immediate aftermath of the murder of her husband, no doubt whilst she's contemplating raising her children alone and potentially for the rest of her life is the way to go . Yeah maybe she could have said things a bit more calmly or differently but that's easy to say when it hasn't happened to you.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 minute ago, benjii said:

A symptom of a right wing, gun-toting society?

An ineffective waste of time that doesn't deal with the root causes of an issue and instead dooms a society to repeat it again and again. Oh and guns in America are retarded.

benjii

benjii

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14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Thats clearly not what she is saying. She is talking about how the actions of his killers is going to push her to carry on his work.  People are mocking his death online. She is restrained.

I think that people are looking for an angle because of his political views. Unlike other high profile deaths I don’t think there will be social disorder despite the strength of feeling. So far we have seen vigils and prayers.

Why would there be social disorder when a white gun totin' loon from a good ole' Christian family kills a racist white bloke who advocates for gun totin' loons from Christian families?

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egg

egg

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11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I never had you down as part of the tweed mafia. 

Sponsorship duties. Get in, get out. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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15 minutes ago, benjii said:

 

Why would there be social disorder when a white gun totin' loon from a good ole' Christian family kills a racist white bloke who advocates for gun totin' loons from Christian families?

Indeed. Some groups just have lower impulse control and are more predisposed to disorder.

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benjii

benjii

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54 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. Some groups just have lower impulse control and are more predisposed to disorder.

No, you've missed the point.

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benjii

benjii

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3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That is one weird article!

His mum posted a picture and likened him to a meme 6 years ago - when he was 16 - so he's definitely, 100% far right!

Americans love to polarize(sic) everything.

So far, there is zero evidence he's FAR LEFT and plenty to suggest he's more likely right wing:

- Mormon

- Likes guns

- Trump family

- Groyper slogans on bullets

- Dressed as a Pepe groyper character 

- Groypers hate Kirk

- Dressed as Trump

The only FAR LEFT evidence is:

- an unattributed quote that has been removed from its source (the Guardian) that he was "leftist"

- something about him having a trans flatmate that, as far as I can see, orginates from Fox and The Daily Mail (so probably bullshit)

Plus, the anecdotal fact that political terrorism is modern times is, statistically, much more likely to be right wing.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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40 minutes ago, benjii said:

So far, there is zero evidence he's FAR LEFT and plenty to suggest he's more likely right wing:

- Mormon

- Likes guns

- Trump family

- Groyper slogans on bullets

- Dressed as a Pepe groyper character 

- Groypers hate Kirk

- Dressed as Trump

The only FAR LEFT evidence is:

- an unattributed quote that has been removed from its source (the Guardian) that he was "leftist"

- something about him having a trans flatmate that, as far as I can see, orginates from Fox and The Daily Mail (so probably bullshit)

Plus, the anecdotal fact that political terrorism is modern times is, statistically, much more likely to be right wing.

Which is fair enough.

But I was commenting only on that article that stated he was far right because his mum posted a picture over 6 years ago.

badgerx16

badgerx16

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6 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Point of order, as most seem to have forgotten as ever in their haste to points score, Far Right/Far left...pretty much the same thing. Both are fascists who refuse to accept the other. 

I sincerely hope you are not being sarcastic. Assuming you are not, I agree.

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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On 12/09/2025 at 23:53, hypochondriac said:

What I've found interesting are the tributes particularly from women, minorities and gay people who knew or interacted with him. I haven't seen a single one so far that wasn't glowing-talking about how supportive he was towards them in private, how he was friendly and spent time with them in their homes, how he helped them with crippling anxiety and gave them confidence, how kind he was to their same sex partners, how he treated minorities like a brother and how he volunteered to assist with theirnorganisations for no money. If he was a bigot then judging by those comments from people who actually knew him he was pretty selective with his bigotry and it doesn't sound like he was a very good one.

That's what they may say, but at the end of the day he was a rabid supporter of that piece of shit, the Mango Mussolini, openly racist, convicted sexual abuser, and closest friend of one of the world's worst paedophiles.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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22 hours ago, benjii said:

So far, there is zero evidence he's FAR LEFT and plenty to suggest he's more likely right wing:

- Mormon

- Likes guns

- Trump family

- Groyper slogans on bullets

- Dressed as a Pepe groyper character 

- Groypers hate Kirk

- Dressed as Trump

The only FAR LEFT evidence is:

- an unattributed quote that has been removed from its source (the Guardian) that he was "leftist"

- something about him having a trans flatmate that, as far as I can see, orginates from Fox and The Daily Mail (so probably bullshit)

Plus, the anecdotal fact that political terrorism is modern times is, statistically, much more likely to be right wing.

Is he left or is he right, does it really matter?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gvrw2pgedo

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Cox previously told the Wall Street Journal that Mr Robinson, a Utah native, was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology".

When questioned on it during CNN's State of the Union programme on Sunday, he said the information was offered by the suspect's friends and family.

"There's so much more that we're learning and so much that we will learn," he explained, adding that when official charges are filed, there will be "much more evidence and information available then".

 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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On 13/09/2025 at 00:33, hypochondriac said:

It's only dangerous if you take online persons seriously and take those sort of things offline. I think soggy is a complete bellend but if I ever met him in real life I'm sure I could have a polite conversation and maybe a haircut from his black barber. We don't really know anyone on here (other than the few people I do actually know in real life) and I'm sure the majority are nothing like their online personality.

The guy who currently cuts my hair is from Iraq, so not black. My dentist is black though if that helps?

We wouldn’t have a polite conversation. All of my conversations are polite but I wouldn’t give you the time of day. I avoid people who go out of their way to support the views of certain extemists with certain political views or who clearly hate certain people because of their religious views. Your use of the alt right avatar is not forgotten and this pretence that you are some kind of even handed liberal is a total facade. Your famous quote that “Socialism is dangerous” sums you up perfectly. You go out of your way to “be fair” to people with extreme right wing views whereas you immediately jump on anyone with liberal views. You hate left wing liberal views and you hate Muslims. You would have us believe that you are actually an even handed decent bloke yet at the same time you kick off about the ULEZ charge (brought in my a Muslim no less) because you have to pay because you brung in a car that pollutes the air that your gramps breathes every day. Here’s a thought, put his health before your own selfishness. “Thank God my wife isn’t Muslim”, another of your infamous quotes. If anyone is a bellend it is you. We have absolutely nothing in common other than we support the same football club. I would no more have a polite conversation with you as I would the morons throwing firebombs at hotels housing asylum seekers or lobbing bricks at the police.

As for listening to people with different viewpoints, how does that work when you yourself shout down posters that you don’t agree with as you do almost daily? 

You have a very long history on here of supporting far right views and posting against those who speak out against them. I’d have far more respect for you if you had the balls to admit where you are coming from. I am way more likely to have a “polite” conversation with Duckhunter. At least he doesn’t pretend to be anything other than he is.
 

 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Just now, sadoldgit said:

The guy who currently cuts my hair is from Iraq, so not black. My dentist is black though if that helps?

We wouldn’t have a polite conversation. All of my conversations are polite but I wouldn’t give you the time of day. I avoid people who go out of their way to support the views of certain extemists with certain political views or who clearly hate certain people because of their religious views. Your use of the alt right avatar is not forgotten and this pretence that you are some kind of even handed liberal is a total facade. Your famous quote that “Socialism is dangerous” sums you up perfectly. You go out of your way to “be fair” to people with extreme right wing views whereas you immediately jump on anyone with liberal views. You hate left wing liberal views and you hate Muslims. You would have us believe that you are actually an even handed decent bloke yet at the same time you kick off about the ULEZ charge (brought in my a Muslim no less) because you have to pay because you brung in a car that pollutes the air that your gramps breathes every day. Here’s a thought, put his health before your own selfishness. “Thank God my wife isn’t Muslim”, another of your infamous quotes. If anyone is a bellend it is you. We have absolutely nothing in common other than we support the same football club. I would no more have a polite conversation with you as I would the morons throwing firebombs at hotels housing asylum seekers or lobbing bricks at the police.

As for listening to people with different viewpoints, how does that work when you yourself shout down posters that you don’t agree with as you do almost daily? 

You have a very long history on here of supporting far right views and posting against those who speak out against them. I’d have far more respect for you if you had the balls to admit where you are coming from. I am way more likely to have a “polite” conversation with Duckhunter. At least he doesn’t pretend to be anything other than he is.
 

 

I missed you pal. Glad you could grace us with your presence once more.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

And so it begins again 🙄

Revelers pile on a competitor at the traditional cheese rolling races on Cooper's Hill — Stock Editorial Photo © 1000Words #105051830

Imagine reading back through pages of this stuff from days ago just to find a post where your name is referenced. I bet @Lord Duckhunter is chuffed that he can have a polite conversation with soggy though so the post wasn't an entire waste. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine reading back through pages of this stuff from days ago just to find a post where your name is referenced. I bet @Lord Duckhunter is chuffed that he can have a polite conversation with soggy though so the post wasn't an entire waste. 

I was going to put a laughing emoji. But now that SOG has exploded the myth of "You would have us believe that you are actually an even handed decent bloke", it's like I don't know you at all.

You're already equated with "the morons throwing firebombs at hotels housing asylum seekers or lobbing bricks at the police." What more does SOG know? I might want to be a UK ambassador one day, so it's important to know early on.

What's that? He's a bellend who missed the point of your post? Oh, as you were then.🙂

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I was going to put a laughing emoji. But now that SOG has exploded the myth of "You would have us believe that you are actually an even handed decent bloke", it's like I don't know you at all.

You're already equated with "the morons throwing firebombs at hotels housing asylum seekers or lobbing bricks at the police." What more does SOG know? I might want to be a UK ambassador one day, so it's important to know early on.

What's that? He's a bellend who missed the point of your post? Oh, as you were then.🙂

I just want to point out that I have never once claimed to be a decent bloke on here. Oh and I don't have a Muslim wife.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I just want to point out that I have never once claimed to be a decent bloke on here.

I was wondering. It would have made you stand out from the rest of us. So, I thought I would have remembered. 🙂

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Oh and I don't have a Muslim wife.

Thanks for checking again. 🙂

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine reading back through pages of this stuff from days ago just to find a post where your name is referenced. I bet @Lord Duckhunter is chuffed that he can have a polite conversation with soggy though so the post wasn't an entire waste. 

Which one are you Hypo? The light blue football shirt in Reform colours is surely Duck?

Can’t see WSS in a pork pie hat so I’ll guess that’s Holmes & Watson…

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Which one are you Hypo? The light blue football shirt in Reform colours is surely Duck?

Can’t see WSS in a pork pie hat so I’ll guess that’s Holmes & Watson…

I'm certainly not the mixed race one. You wouldn't catch me lying near a foreigner.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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10 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Which one are you Hypo? The light blue football shirt in Reform colours is surely Duck?

Can’t see WSS in a pork pie hat so I’ll guess that’s Holmes & Watson…

Darn my trademark choice of headwear. Recognised again.

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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Good to see that “Free Speech” is still alive and well in The Land Of The Free.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/17/ben-jerrys-co-founder-jerry-greenfield-quits-saying-unilever-silenced-social-mission

But only if you are supportive of Trump and his actions it seems.

Their hypocrisy is quite staggering given that they (by they I mean Trump and his acolytes) are constantly berating us for, supposing, not having Free Speech.

To be fair to Trump, he did say that he would be a dictator. Another lie though because he said he would be a dictator ON day one. He actually meant FROM day one.
 

east-stand-nic

east-stand-nic

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14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Good to see that “Free Speech” is still alive and well in The Land Of The Free.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/17/ben-jerrys-co-founder-jerry-greenfield-quits-saying-unilever-silenced-social-mission

But only if you are supportive of Trump and his actions it seems.

Their hypocrisy is quite staggering given that they (by they I mean Trump and his acolytes) are constantly berating us for, supposing, not having Free Speech.

To be fair to Trump, he did say that he would be a dictator. Another lie though because he said he would be a dictator ON day one. He actually meant FROM day one.
 

Ricky Jone? Slit their throats? Is that not double standards? Lucy Connolly anyone?

All the people online saying they hope Nigel farage is shot soon and wishing death on him after laughing and celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. No arrests in the UK for those calling for death to farage.

You see, once again you only see what you want to see and forget that the left are just as guilt in every way but they never get arrested. can you perhaps think about this and stop making yourself look a plum. And please, don't reply trying to justify it. You can't. Any normal person would agree that Ricky Jones should have done time every bit as much as Lucy Connolly did. 

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Good to see that “Free Speech” is still alive and well in The Land Of The Free.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/sep/17/ben-jerrys-co-founder-jerry-greenfield-quits-saying-unilever-silenced-social-mission

But only if you are supportive of Trump and his actions it seems.

Their hypocrisy is quite staggering given that they (by they I mean Trump and his acolytes) are constantly berating us for, supposing, not having Free Speech.

To be fair to Trump, he did say that he would be a dictator. Another lie though because he said he would be a dictator ON day one. He actually meant FROM day one.
 

Over here, you can get arrested (and convicted) for a tweet

egg

egg

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25 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Over here, you can get arrested (and convicted) for a tweet

I find these tweet complaints irritating. 

I'm not sure why people can't acknowledge that inciting people to burn down buildings where people are housed is a tad unpleasant. The fact that the incitement is in writing, and in an arena where it can be pushed out to thousands of people, is a hell of a lot worse than inciting one bloke down the pub. 

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east-stand-nic

east-stand-nic

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20 minutes ago, egg said:

I find these tweet complaints irritating. 

I'm not sure why people can't acknowledge that inciting people to burn down buildings where people are housed is a tad unpleasant. The fact that the incitement is in writing, and in an arena where it can be pushed out to thousands of people, is a hell of a lot worse than inciting one bloke down the pub. 

And the labour MP saying to go slit right wingers throats on TV is not bad at all is it. Jeez, I don't understand why people cannot accept this. 

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egg

egg

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12 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

And the labour MP saying to go slit right wingers throats on TV is not bad at all is it. Jeez, I don't understand why people cannot accept this. 

The labour MP hasn't been condoned. Someone doing that on TV is a disgrace though , although it's unconnected to some dinlo inciting arson or worse via Twitter. 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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42 minutes ago, egg said:

I find these tweet complaints irritating. 

I'm not sure why people can't acknowledge that inciting people to burn down buildings where people are housed is a tad unpleasant. The fact that the incitement is in writing, and in an arena where it can be pushed out to thousands of people, is a hell of a lot worse than inciting one bloke down the pub. 

Linehan is another 

 

egg

egg

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8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Linehan is another 

 

Trying to find equivalences doesn't alter that it's strange that people criticise strong punishment of individuals inciting severe violence via Twitter. 

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