5string Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Does anyone still feel any warmth towards Wanyama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary3009 Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 According to The times, wanyama trained but is not included in the squad today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Does anyone still feel any warmth towards Wanyama? Gradually cooling, but he's a useful member of the team and losing Morgan and Victor within a short timescale really would cause issues, I think. Especially with Clasie currently out and post-Academy youngsters not quite up to quality. Do we have to like him to need/want/use him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Koeman and the club said we won't sell anyone so I believe them. At worst he's having a paddy and hopefully after international break will all be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Can't see it happening really, too late in the window to let another major player go. Not his biggest fan myself but can't see any suitable replacement available before Tuesday evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 is victor cup,tied for Europa league now or does his hissy fit Thursday save him? ...what with spuds in the Europa league and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Does anyone still feel any warmth towards Wanyama? That depends entirely on what he does next. If he moves, it's hard to be too angry as he's seemingly done it the right way; no public outbursts, no media B.S. from him, has been open with the club about his desires. Spurs are the problem that clouds all this, as their usual media manipulation makes Wanyama look worse when I don't think he's behind it all. If he doesn't move, he needs to get his head straight and focus on the season ahead. If he does this, much like Morgan last year, fair play to him and again it's hard to be too angry. If he doesn't move and his performances suffer and he acts like a spoilt child, **** him. That's when I'll lose all respect. I think we all knew he wouldn't be around forever and would go to a 'bigger' club, but that's not Spurs. In every interview he gives he manages to find a way of mentioning his Champions League experience against Barcelona, so if CL football is on offer I don't think anybody would begrudge him going for it. Spurs don't offer that and probably won't for a very long time. Arsenal consistently do, which I think would be a better move this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I take it he was never 'ill' for Thursday's game then? What an utter, utter c**t. He'll be lucky not to get stick if he plays for us again, let alone turning out for Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 If for some reason we sold now we had better have lined up a decent replacement. Our midfield already seems pretty weak this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 If for some reason we sold now we had better have lined up a decent replacement. Our midfield already seems pretty weak this season. Why woud we sell when the club have been quite definite about not selling him ? To sell him now would just lead the administration into a situation of total non-credibility. Certain positions would be virtually untenable...won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Why woud we sell when the club have been quite definite about not selling him ? To sell him now would just lead the administration into a situation of total non-credibility. Certain positions would be virtually untenable...won't happen. Agree. Just wonder if he might have burned too many bridges, fans, club and also teammates? Which is probably what he intended. Wonder if anyone still believes he wants to stay and it is all media speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I really hope his name isn't sung today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I really hope his name isn't sung today. It wasn't on Thursday, and won't be today. F*ck him if he wants to act like a spoilt 5 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Agree. Just wonder if he might have burned too many bridges, fans, club and also teammates? Which is probably what he intended. Wonder if anyone still believes he wants to stay and it is all media speculation? A few sorry saps undoubtedly do or at least are still trying to convince themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Let him rot in the U21 for the next two years. The club has to make a stand against this idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I really hope his name isn't sung today. He's a Kenyan,a greedy Kenyan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Mirror says he's not in the squad today. Greedy bastard is the first sentence that pop up in my head when I hear this crap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 is victor cup,tied for Europa league now or does his hissy fit Thursday save him? ...what with spuds in the Europa league and all I don't think so. Playoffs are separate from the group stages. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 A lot of rubbish being spoken on here over a Daily Mail article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He's a Kenyan,a greedy Kenyan.... This. He's a Kenyan, a greedy Kenyan, he can go get f**ked. These bellends are on £40, 50, 60, 100k a week, A WEEK and they're constantly acting like spoilt children. B*llocks to them. If he is doing this, then refuse the request, let him rot in the U21s for 2 years and ruin his career. I'm all for cutting our noses off to spite our face, just to make a stand for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 A lot of rubbish being spoken on here over a Daily Mail article. I for once agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 1) it's in the Mail. 'Talks have taken place' could mean 'yeah we rang Southampton and asked but they said no' Do not ever take ANYTHING the media say as gospel truth. They have only one agenda - to get the money in your pocket into theirs. They will (and do) say anything to get you to buy their paper. I'm am seriously starting to lose faith in people who believe everything they read or see on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Interesting how the SKY report made mention of the club knowing he's been unhappy for a year. Wasn't there some talk of something happening with him when we played West Ham at Upton Park last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 If it's true by all means slate the man, the club, whatever. But, unless somebody knows otherwise, we have not seen anything definitive from the player or the club suggesting he may be on the way out or has refused to play etc. Would it really be that surprising if all this is being linked by Spurs and/or an agent fancying a cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 This. He's a Kenyan, a greedy Kenyan, he can go get f**ked. These bellends are on £40, 50, 60, 100k a week, A WEEK and they're constantly acting like spoilt children. B*llocks to them. If he is doing this, then refuse the request, let him rot in the U21s for 2 years and ruin his career. I'm all for cutting our noses off to spite our face, just to make a stand for once. We get knocked out of a potentially once in a lifetime run in Europa, because these spoilt c**ts on £40/50k a week aren't committed to playing for us and give the game a miss, they can well and truly get f****d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 This. He's a Kenyan, a greedy Kenyan, he can go get f**ked. These bellends are on £40, 50, 60, 100k a week, A WEEK and they're constantly acting like spoilt children. B*llocks to them. If he is doing this, then refuse the request, let him rot in the U21s for 2 years and ruin his career. I'm all for cutting our noses off to spite our face, just to make a stand for once. Please explain how Victor is acting like a spoilt child? Is there a video of him behaving in such a manner? Has he said ANYTHING directly to the media which has then been put out there where he clearly states unequivocally that he wants to leave? It's all 'sources understand' or 'it is believed that....' ITS ALL SPECULATION AND BULLSH!T don't get me wrong, he may want to go - and if he does the very best of luck to him. But has Victor actually done anything of which you accuse him? No! He has not. Grow up and stop believing the crap put out in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 1) it's in the Mail. 'Talks have taken place' could mean 'yeah we rang Southampton and asked but they said no' Do not ever take ANYTHING the media say as gospel truth. They have only one agenda - to get the money in your pocket into theirs. They will (and do) say anything to get you to buy their paper. I'm am seriously starting to lose faith in people who believe everything they read or see on the Internet. I think a lot of fans do not understand how the media works. How can you start hating a player based on such trivial "evidence" ? Idiocy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I don't think so. Playoffs are separate from the group stages. I think. This. Same as VvD could have played for us if we had reached the group stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 (edited) If it's true by all means slate the man, the club, whatever. But, unless somebody knows otherwise, we have not seen anything definitive from the player or the club suggesting he may be on the way out or has refused to play etc. Would it really be that surprising if all this is being linked by Spurs and/or an agent fancying a cut? His agent was pretty aggressive over the move away from Celtic IIRC..who is it? Extratime perhaps. Small african centered agency who might be in need of a couple of quid. Edited 30 August, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Oh **** off the lot if you. I am done with your petty childish knee jerk BULLSH!T reactions to the tripe served up in the media. YOU ALL HAVE BRAINS. USE THEM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Let him rot in the U21 for the next two years. The club has to make a stand against this idiot. Where do we get the cash to sign his replacement then? Doing that would hurt us more than it would Wanyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 This is so easy to put to bed! VW comes out and says speculation is bullcrap and he is very happy here! To this point, he HASN'T! If he says nothing today, speculation will continue in freefall until Tues evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Please explain how Victor is acting like a spoilt child? Is there a video of him behaving in such a manner? Has he said ANYTHING directly to the media which has then been put out there where he clearly states unequivocally that he wants to leave? It's all 'sources understand' or 'it is believed that....' ITS ALL SPECULATION AND BULLSH!T don't get me wrong, he may want to go - and if he does the very best of luck to him. But has Victor actually done anything of which you accuse him? No! He has not. Grow up and stop believing the crap put out in the media. I said "these bellends", as in all players that do this and then I said "if he is doing this". Grow up and learn to read properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 No smoke without a fire springs to mind - he uses Twitter don´t he? (I don´t) Just 160 words saying this is media bull - loves it a Saints etc - but no..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 His agent was pretty aggressive over the move away from Celtic IIRC..who is it? Extratime perhaps. Small african centered agency who might be in need of a couple of quid. Could be the agent after A) a move, or B) or hefty new pay packet. All this move talk came about just after, or around the same time (IIRC), the club made noises about a new contract for Victor. Look how many players have 'flirted' with other clubs lately only to be rewarded with bumper new deals (Ramos for example). Not saying he does not want out - he may well do - but we are simply speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Why woud we sell when the club have been quite definite about not selling him ? To sell him now would just lead the administration into a situation of total non-credibility. Certain positions would be virtually untenable...won't happen. Whilst I would mostly agree, the joker in the pack is that if he really wants to move, then at a time when team unity is more important than ever, and freeing up wages would be useful, then it might be time to sell him if Spurs or anyone else agree to a fairly extortionate fee having encouraged the move via the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Oh **** off the lot if you. I am done with your petty childish knee jerk BULLSH!T reactions to the tripe served up in the media. YOU ALL HAVE BRAINS. USE THEM. Ok, what would you think if Wanyama isn't in our squad today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 (edited) I think a lot of fans do not understand how the media works. How can you start hating a player based on such trivial "evidence" ? Idiocy. Or on the flip side what sort of evidence do people want? The media are ised to get messages out there, which is exactly what Wanyama's agents have done. 1. Reports late last season he and his agent had been speaking to Wenger. Bizarre triple bodged denial issued via Twitter. 2. Sky saying he told Saints he wants to leave 3. Mystery one day stomach infection. Fine to train the day before and day after our big European game 4. Renewed report this time from the Times that he trained yesterday but will sit out todays vital game. 5. Reports from Sky that he will sit out todays game 6. Comments from Koeman that he "hasn't spoken to Wanyama about it all yet". Yeah right! 7. Strongly rumoured interest from Spurs. 8. Zero comment from Wanyama on social media to deny the rumours or contextualise them. Do you want him to do a You Tube video with Jim Lucas saying he would like to leave? Edited 30 August, 2015 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He's not good enough on ball for elite clubs which I get but why spurs when Poch didn't get the best out of him whilst at saints? Played him deeper than morgan. Vice versa under koeman. He was pretty useless on ball in first season but improved significantly under koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He wasn't useless under poch far from it. Why are saints players so desperate to leave the club at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Logan Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Saints need to get a backbone just like Everton and WBA have done. Trouble with Saints they are too nice and get trampled on by players, other clubs and agents. Got to get tough with these mercenaries. This.......'quite frankly if this true, Vic, your attitude appalls me. It's not what you're saying. It's all this stuff you're not saying. Insinnuendos' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Also fair play to someone like John Stones who was honest about wanting to leave but continues to act professionally until that happens, whenever it might be. He must be pretty hacked off but has carried on playing and playing well. I don't blame Wanyama for wanting to move, that is up to him and he must see ex teammates earning more money at better clubs and want some of it. Its the way its handled that is utterly poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 He wasn't useless under poch far from it. Why are saints players so desperate to leave the club at the moment? I thought you didn't believe any of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Also fair play to someone like John Stones who was honest about wanting to leave but continues to act professionally until that happens, whenever it might be. He must be pretty hacked off but has carried on playing and playing well. Or Morgan last season. Was told he couldn't leave that year, but put in a good shift and earned a deserved move to the biggest club in the world. After 7 years of playing for Saints and playing consistently well for Saints, he deserved that. A proper professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 talkSPORT just about to cover this story on the Weekend Sports Breakfast with Mickey Quinn and Georgie Bingham. Special guests Mickey Gray and Bobby Gould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 We have no option with Vic. Koeman and reed told fans we wouldn't sell anyone else. If we sell Vic it's too late to replace him and that leaves us with a horrible midfield ie Davis or ward prowse playing there as clasie isn't holding midfielder. Our best bet is to use 2 week break to get his mind in right place before west brom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Please explain how Victor is acting like a spoilt child? Is there a video of him behaving in such a manner? Has he said ANYTHING directly to the media which has then been put out there where he clearly states unequivocally that he wants to leave? It's all 'sources understand' or 'it is believed that....' ITS ALL SPECULATION AND BULLSH!T don't get me wrong, he may want to go - and if he does the very best of luck to him. But has Victor actually done anything of which you accuse him? No! He has not. Grow up and stop believing the crap put out in the media. / Well for starters he cried off for our biggest game of the season so far, would the result have been different if he'd played? I know he was seen up the hospital but he could have faked the illness, the club would take no chances with a multi million pound asset. Secondly he looks to not be playing today when we need to play our best players. Whether the bloke is playing up or not we need to stand firm in this instance, bit like we did with Morgan last year, tell spurs to do one, unless they want to swap for Kane. If victor doesn't like it he should sit in the reserves till he comes around. I know the club is being pragmatic in most cases but as fans sometimes we need to feel like we've won a battle, beaten off the other team and can hold our heads high, instead of feeling bullied and pushed around by these clubs. We all know Victor will go at some point, but on our terms only and not to spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 I thought you didn't believe any of it? I do believe it. I don't believe we will sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 August, 2015 Share Posted 30 August, 2015 Also fair play to someone like John Stones who was honest about wanting to leave but continues to act professionally until that happens, whenever it might be. He must be pretty hacked off but has carried on playing and playing well. I don't blame Wanyama for wanting to move, that is up to him and he must see ex teammates earning more money at better clubs and want some of it. Its the way its handled that is utterly poor. And mane who has been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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