Singapore Saint Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 No seriously he is. The team he picked yesterday was with the Wednesday game in mind. He was resting/protecting Cedric and Tadic, and giving match practice to JWP and Long. Best chance of silverware and all that sort of thing, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Let's see how Wednesday pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 No seriously he is. The team he picked yesterday was with the Wednesday game in mind. He was resting/protecting Cedric and Tadic, and giving match practice to JWP and Long. Best chance of silverware and all that sort of thing, no? Great optimism, let's hope that is the case! Would love a cup final. Cup final and top 10 finish would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Great optimism, let's hope that is the case! Would love a cup final. Cup final and top 10 finish would be great. and of course a Cup win....would guarantee Europa League next season..without having to fight for a top five /six place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Saw in the paper yesterday that the lowest any Premier League team has finished after being top (as of yesterday morning) is sixth, suggesting Leicester may well now be nailed on for that spare Europa spot - I think they'll finish seventh. So really it is about the cups and rightly we are going for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Saw in the paper yesterday that the lowest any Premier League team has finished after being top (as of yesterday morning) is sixth, suggesting Leicester may well now be nailed on for that spare Europa spot - I think they'll finish seventh. So really it is about the cups and rightly we are going for it. Quite. We are not going to finish above United, City, Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. We probably won't finish above Chelsea and it's 50/50 at best if we finish above Leicester (although Leicester must have some tough fixtures coming up - they seem to play bottom half teams most weeks and they have also had loads of luck, from what I've seen) and Everton. So, feck the league, lets try to win something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Quite. We are not going to finish above United, City, Arsenal, Spurs or Liverpool. We probably won't finish above Chelsea and it's 50/50 at best if we finish above Leicester (although Leicester must have some tough fixtures coming up - they seem to play bottom half teams most weeks and they have also had loads of luck, from what I've seen) and Everton. So, feck the league, lets try to win something. That's what many other fans said about us this time last season. And they have definitely punished the lower half of the league so far. Which is what they'd be hoping to do. Got turned over by Arsenal, but have now picked up draws at both WHL and Old Trafford. Not to mention tearing us apart for 45 minutes to get a point at St Mary's. Good on them I say. We'd be doing pretty well to finish above them at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 That's what many other fans said about us this time last season. And they have definitely punished the lower half of the league so far. Which is what they'd be hoping to do. Got turned over by Arsenal, but have now picked up draws at both WHL and Old Trafford. Not to mention tearing us apart for 45 minutes to get a point at St Mary's. Good on them I say. We'd be doing pretty well to finish above them at this rate. Did they not play at Leicester yesterday is it still Filbert street or have they moved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Did they not play at Leicester yesterday is it still Filbert street or have they moved? No you're right. Not OT my bad. King Power Stadium. Filbert Street is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 I am not sure that he is a genius but he clearly is a decent manager. Not that you would know it looking at some of the comments on the match thread. If he chose a team for Saturday with an eye to giving us our best chance against Liverpool I don't have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Mourinho is a great Manager and Ferguson was an absolutely outstanding Manager. But they still do/did things that are questionable. I think Koeman got it wrong yesterday and cost us the chance of potentially picking up points. But I still think he is doing a great job for us overall. It is possible to separate single moments from the overview view, SOG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Mourinho is a great Manager and Ferguson was an absolutely outstanding Manager. But they still do/did things that are questionable. I think Koeman got it wrong yesterday and cost us the chance of potentially picking up points. But I still think he is doing a great job for us overall. It is possible to separate single moments from the overview view, SOG. Nuance isn't his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 RK sees the players every day and should be able to assess them far better than we can.We may not agree with his team choice but when was the last time you saw a Manager posting views/opinions on here? We were unlucky yesterday.Had Virgils shot not hit the crossbar, had he got his arse out of the way for the deflection we could have drawn or won that game.Managers fault? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 RK sees the players every day and should be able to assess them far better than we can.We may not agree with his team choice but when was the last time you saw a Manager posting views/opinions on here? We were unlucky yesterday.Had Virgils shot not hit the crossbar, had he got his arse out of the way for the deflection we could have drawn or won that game.Managers fault? I think not. We were soundly beaten on the whole. Definitely not unlucky overall. Davis could easily have been sent off in the first half and City had as many close moments as we did to score other goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 RK sees the players every day and should be able to assess them far better than we can.We may not agree with his team choice but when was the last time you saw a Manager posting views/opinions on here? We were unlucky yesterday.Had Virgils shot not hit the crossbar, had he got his arse out of the way for the deflection we could have drawn or won that game.Managers fault? I think not. He picked Yoshida, who was at fault for two of the three goals. Anyone picking that idiot deserves the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 He picked Yoshida, who was at fault for two of the three goals. Anyone picking that idiot deserves the blame. I don't think calling him an idiot is fair. Incompetent (at right back) might be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 I haven't forgiven him for the europa league selections and tactics yet, so hoping that he's got some genius move to get back into the europa league next season seems optimistic. Yes, he'll need to do a lot to make up for that débâcle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 I haven't forgiven him for the europa league selections and tactics yet, so hoping that he's got some genius move to get back into the europa league next season seems optimistic. I trust you and WhiteyGrandad both feel the same way about Wanyama (if so, fair enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 I trust you and WhiteyGrandad both feel the same way about Wanyama. we shouldnt need wanyama to beat mittyland their who side cost less than juanmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 we shouldnt need wanyama to beat mittyland their who side cost less than juanmi You could apply that logic to *any* player. I'm not really sure what your point is (as per usual) - if one can be critical of Koeman's team selection/formation, one can be equally critical of Wanyama for ruling himself out of contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 You could apply that logic to *any* player. I'm not really sure what your point is (as per usual) - if one can be critical of Koeman's team selection/formation, one can be equally critical of Wanyama for ruling himself out of contention. Not really. We should have beaten them, we had a big enough and strong enough squad to beat them regardless of Wanyama. The manager picked an odd team with an odd approach and we were dreadful. To be honest I don't know what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 You could apply that logic to *any* player. I'm not really sure what your point is (as per usual) - if one can be critical of Koeman's team selection/formation, one can be equally critical of Wanyama for ruling himself out of contention. how can you not be sure what my point it. it is pretty clear, ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Not really. We should have beaten them, we had a big enough and strong enough squad to beat them regardless of Wanyama. The manager picked an odd team with an odd approach and we were dreadful. To be honest I don't know what your point is. Merely that Wanyama negatively influenced team selection at a time when we needed him. I'm not suggesting that that mitigates Koeman's selection/tactics (nor am I under the delusion that we would've necessarily won if Wanyama was playing), i.e. I'm just critical of both. P.S Reference "needed", you and Batman think otherwise (which is fine of course), but I disagree. Romeu had just arrived, Clasie was injured, Davis is no CM, and many on here would argue that Prowse isn't either. Ergo, we needed Wanyama (imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 (edited) how can you not be sure what my point it. it is pretty clear, ffs Because my initial point was about the principle of Wanyama's decision not to make himself available for selection, and *not* whether or not we needed him (although I've subsequently made my views on that known). I obviously understood the words, but not why you were countering an argument I wasn't making (at the time), i.e. the validity of Wanyama's decision is not dependent on whether we need him or not. Perhaps I should've said, "I don't see how that's applicable" (rather than 'I don't see your point'). All that being said, if you/anyone truly believes that we didn't need Wanyama, then I guess his withdrawal wouldn't catch such a scrutinous gaze (as it does mine), because you're of the position that it didn't affect the outcome whatsoever. Oh, and ffs Edited 29 November, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Because my initial point was about the principle of Wanyama's decision not to make himself available for selection, and *not* whether or not we needed him (although I've subsequently made my views on that known). I obviously understood the words, but not why you were countering an argument I wasn't making (at the time), i.e. the validity of Wanyama's decision is not dependent on whether we need him or not. Perhaps I should've said, "I don't see how that's applicable" (rather than 'I don't see your point'). All that being said, if you/anyone truly believes that we didn't need Wanyama, then I guess his withdrawal wouldn't catch such a scrutinous gaze (as it does mine), because you're of the position that it didn't affect the outcome whatsoever. Oh, and ffs Gawd know's what point you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 (edited) Gawd know's what point you're making. Refer to my response to you (1st line), and not Batman. Other than that, fair enough Edited 29 November, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Am I the only one to have completely missed the gist of the above posts? I mean, I've had a beer or two, but I can't make any sense of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 29 November, 2015 Share Posted 29 November, 2015 Am I the only one to have completely missed the gist of the above posts? I mean, I've had a beer or two, but I can't make any sense of this. It's probably easier to stick with the beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 That doesn't really fit. Wanyama was being a ****, so that's not forgotten of course, but he isn't the manager and didn't pick that team. The long ball tactics were absolutely baffling, just sheer stupidity. You don't take on a limited team and deliberately sink to their level, playing directly into their hands. It was the most infuriating match I've seen in years. I agree with everything you've said I was just taking the opportunity (your talking of forgiveness) to recall that Wanyama put him in a bind/didn't make it any easier for us, and I don't think he should be forgiven for that either (not that you necessarily needed reminding...I was just thinking about that period). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Mourinho is a great Manager and Ferguson was an absolutely outstanding Manager. But they still do/did things that are questionable. I think Koeman got it wrong yesterday and cost us the chance of potentially picking up points. But I still think he is doing a great job for us overall. It is possible to separate single moments from the overview view, SOG. I don't disagree with you and all managers make mistakes at times. There do seem to be some people here who are losing faith in Koeman though and I do find that strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I don't disagree with you and all managers make mistakes at times. There do seem to be some people here who are losing faith in Koeman though and I do find that strange. I'm not losing faith in him and I think he has done a fantastic job overall but I do think he makes some very strange decisions at times which appear to really hurt us. We're obviously not armed with all the facts he is in making his decisions but if we are to take his public comments at face value that he will not play Mane and Cedric in the same side when Mane is deployed on the right then basically we're going to end up playing Yoshida at right back for quite a few games this season. The only games we won't will be when Mane plays behind Pelle and Davis plays on the right - but that means one of Romeu or JWP plays next to Wanyama and I don't think Koeman truly fancies either of them there. It's a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 No seriously he is. The team he picked yesterday was with the Wednesday game in mind. He was resting/protecting Cedric and Tadic, and giving match practice to JWP and Long. Best chance of silverware and all that sort of thing, no? I thought it was fairly obvious we were focusing on Wednesday... from the moment we got on the pitch, which is why it only took 20 minutes to go 2-0 down. To City's credit they also realised this and completely stopped trying for about 45 minutes after scoring their second. I assume Cedric's complete absence from the squad is somehow concussion-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 December, 2015 Share Posted 2 December, 2015 Singapores theory has been completely vindicated then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 To be fair it worked brilliantly for about 20 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 better team. liverpool are fantastic at the moment. can't be expecting to play caulker or muck about with wanyama playing at CB when you're playing against possibly the best attacking team , in great form, at the moment. they bossed the midfield also with lucas can and allen. clasie davis just ain't cut out for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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