buctootim Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 No agenda, just wondered why people think we've had better results and often played better away from home. Cant cope with the extra pressure of fans expectations at home? nothing to lose away? statistical fluke? Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 We play a counter attacking game with a conter attacking formation. Teams are more inclined to attack at home so we get more space and time on the ball and generally get better results. At St Marys teams play a more tight game, nearly everyone who comes to SMS plays with two banks of four behind the ball for 95% of the game and that doesn't suit us at all because we don't get any space to exploit. We obviously struggle to break teams down and the opposition grow in confidence and quite often snatch a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 January, 2009 We play a counter attacking game with a conter attacking formation. Teams are more inclined to attack at home so we get more space and time on the ball and generally get better results. At St Marys teams play a more tight game, nearly everyone who comes to SMS plays with two banks of four behind the ball for 95% of the game and that doesn't suit us at all because we don't get any space to exploit. We obviously struggle to break teams down and the opposition grow in confidence and quite often snatch a goal. Theres a lot of truth in that IMO, but it would ring even truer if we'd drawn a lot of 0-0s at home. It doesnt really explain why weve lost six games and drawn another six at home. Scoring fewer goals than we've conceded indicates were being outplayed / outthought at home rather than just failing to break down teams who have come to draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 have you ever played away? If so you will know why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Theres a lot of truth in that IMO, but it would ring even truer if we'd drawn a lot of 0-0s at home. It doesnt really explain why weve lost six games and drawn another six at home. Scoring fewer goals than we've conceded indicates were being outplayed / outthought at home rather than just failing to break down teams who have come to draw. We have had our fair share of bad luck and some **** poor performances at home, while away we seem to have had a bit more luck and a few things have gone our way. I wouldn't be suprised if by the end of the season it's a bit more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_UK Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 We play a counter attacking game with a conter attacking formation. Teams are more inclined to attack at home so we get more space and time on the ball and generally get better results. At St Marys teams play a more tight game, nearly everyone who comes to SMS plays with two banks of four behind the ball for 95% of the game and that doesn't suit us at all because we don't get any space to exploit. We obviously struggle to break teams down and the opposition grow in confidence and quite often snatch a goal. That about sums it up, the problem is that JP can't see that and won't change the formation at home, counter attacking football is great away from home, but when at home we need 2 strikers up front and to take the game to the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 That about sums it up, the problem is that JP can't see that and won't change the formation at home, counter attacking football is great away from home, but when at home we need 2 strikers up front and to take the game to the opposition. Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. Correct Mr Professor. He is clueless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Correct Mr Professor. He is clueless.. I dont think JP is clueless but the formation does not work at home at the moment because what has already been said. You would have thought 4 4 2 would have worked better but we did not win that many games at home last season either although more than this year The system needs to have wide players staying wide but I dont think that has been happening when Holmes has been injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. Not blind, just one dimensional. Could be though that he has seen the light. We'll see on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. As you stopped going to home games due to us not winning you are hardly qualified to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Sam Posted 10 January, 2009 Share Posted 10 January, 2009 have you ever played away? If so you will know why? It's more fun playing away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. At St Marys every week there are loads of qualified coaches from all levels all can see what is wrong. Unfortunately not many of us were good enough to be nutmegged in a World cup match ;-) but suggest that 1 win at home all season this is irrelevant anyway. A blind man and his dog knows its the formation and personnel that is wrong at home. JP needs to raid Holland again for a tall, strong, cheap centre forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 All the bestest fans are boycotting home games and supporting the team away from home.:smt045 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Surely a "fan" is someone who is fanatical about their club. If they prefer to go away and put money into other clubs pockets (including those around us in the relegation scrap) they can hardly be called the "bestest fans" can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 For what its worth, our away goal difference is much worse than our home goal difference. Though we shouldnt read too much into it, it does still suggest that our home and away performances are closer than people think. Having watched us this season, we've been much more competitive at home. For every away win (and even where we've played well -Derby and Reading- we rarely wn an away game comfortably i.e. by more than two), there's been a game in which we've been tonked i.e. Swansea, Burnley, Plymouth, QPR, Coventry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Quite simple really. Opposition teams playing at home attack much more, which leaves room at the back for counter attacking. That suits Saints 4-5-1 style. If the home team don't score, Saints are going to be in the hunt. It just shows that JP's attitude is to stop the opposition playing before we try to impose ourselves, because we're not a strong enough side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Atmosphere at SMS I'd awful. Just became an issue after poor early run now no belief at home. Need suppprt more than ever and not getting it. Utter nonsense IMO. The support is absolutely fine. In fact, the players have been bloody lucky to have got the support they have got considering the performances given at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 The longer we go at home without a good performance the more it becomes an issue with the players and fans. Failing to win becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In football, confidence counts for a lot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Surely a "fan" is someone who is fanatical about their club. If they prefer to go away and put money into other clubs pockets (including those around us in the relegation scrap) they can hardly be called the "bestest fans" can they? Well SOG considering i'm boycotting and still do more games than you i think you should be keeping your opinions to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Utter nonsense IMO. The support is absolutely fine. In fact, the players have been bloody lucky to have got the support they have got considering the performances given at SMS. To be fair the "support" from the Kingsland and the Chapel has always been painfully poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 To be fair the "support" from the Kingsland and the Chapel has always been painfully poor. Not from my area of the Kingsland its not and just as loud and passionate as anywhere else. Ok we dont sing constant puppet on a string songs like the kids do but somje of us dont feel the need to chant about the Skates every two minutes and only join in or start Saints songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Atmosphere at SMS I'd awful. Just became an issue after poor early run now no belief at home. Need suppprt more than ever and not getting it. Is that anything to do with 1 win at home some shocking tactical decisions that cost us points or the fans not banging drums and blowing trumpets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 (edited) Atmosphere at SMS I'd awful. Just became an issue after poor early run now no belief at home. Need suppprt more than ever and not getting it. Longest "poor" early run in our history except now it`s not just an early run as it continues un-abaited. Edited 11 January, 2009 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Not from my area of the Kingsland its not and just as loud and passionate as anywhere else. Ok we dont sing constant puppet on a string songs like the kids do but somje of us dont feel the need to chant about the Skates every two minutes and only join in or start Saints songs. Couldn't agree more. Kingsland North get right behind the team. It has suffered this year from the corner being shut, in the same way Itchen North has (and the fact that there are more empty seats ) but those still there, get behind the team as much as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Having watched us this season, we've been much more competitive at home. For every away win (and even where we've played well -Derby and Reading- we rarely wn an away game comfortably i.e. by more than two), there's been a game in which we've been tonked i.e. Swansea, Burnley, Plymouth, QPR, Coventry... We seem to like going 'oop North' in the League this season: Derby 1-0 Donny 2-0 Sheff U 0-0 Preston 3-2 Burnley 2-3 Barnsley 1-0 Ok Derby Midlands, but not a bad set of results! Never thought Saints have travelled North very well (seen plenty of shockers over the years), but seem to be bucking the trend a bit this season. Next one up north is Blackpool in March... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 We seem to like going 'oop North' in the League this season: Derby 1-0 Donny 2-0 Sheff U 0-0 Preston 3-2 Burnley 2-3 Barnsley 1-0 Ok Derby Midlands, but not a bad set of results! Never thought Saints have travelled North very well (seen plenty of shockers over the years), but seem to be bucking the trend a bit this season. Next one up north is Blackpool in March... Pitch size may be a factor! Derby 105 x 68 Donny 110 x 76 Sheff U 112 x 72 Preston 110 x 77 Burnley 115 x 73 Barnsley 110 x 75 Reading 102 x 70 Saints 112 x 74 5 out of 7 of these good results have come on shorter pitches. I think we should look at making our home pitch the size of Readings to see what happens. http://soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Well SOG considering i'm boycotting and still do more games than you i think you should be keeping your opinions to yourself. Missed the point Stanley. And the old I go to more games than you so my opinion is worth more is very old hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 To be fair the "support" from the Kingsland and the Chapel has always been painfully poor. How would you know, you don't go to SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Pitch size may be a factor! Derby 105 x 68 Donny 110 x 76 Sheff U 112 x 72 Preston 110 x 77 Burnley 115 x 73 Barnsley 110 x 75 Reading 102 x 70 Saints 112 x 74 5 out of 7 of these good results have come on shorter pitches. I think we should look at making our home pitch the size of Readings to see what happens. http://soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm beautiful work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Pitch size may be a factor! Derby 105 x 68 Donny 110 x 76 Sheff U 112 x 72 Preston 110 x 77 Burnley 115 x 73 Barnsley 110 x 75 Reading 102 x 70 Saints 112 x 74 5 out of 7 of these good results have come on shorter pitches. I think we should look at making our home pitch the size of Readings to see what happens. http://soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm beautiful work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Atmosphere at SMS I'd awful. Just became an issue after poor early run now no belief at home. Need suppprt more than ever and not getting it. It isn't great but I don't think it's the reason for our poor home form. Every away ground i've been to this season has had a far worse atmosphere than St Marys. I think if we get a win against Doncaster we will get a bit of confidence back and could go on a bit of a run at home. Doesn't even matter if it's another lucky win like Saturday, anything will do to just break the mental block that we can't win at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Atmosphere at SMS I'd awful. Just became an issue after poor early run now no belief at home. Need suppprt more than ever and not getting it. It isn't great but I don't think it's the reason for our poor home form. Every away ground i've been to this season has had a far worse atmosphere than St Marys. I think if we get a win against Doncaster we will get a bit of confidence back and could go on a bit of a run at home. Doesn't even matter if it's another lucky win like Saturday, anything will do to just break the mental block that we can't win at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 We play a counter attacking game with a conter attacking formation. Teams are more inclined to attack at home so we get more space and time on the ball and generally get better results. At St Marys teams play a more tight game, nearly everyone who comes to SMS plays with two banks of four behind the ball for 95% of the game and that doesn't suit us at all because we don't get any space to exploit. We obviously struggle to break teams down and the opposition grow in confidence and quite often snatch a goal. ABSOLUTELY, you summed up CCC team tactics in two paragraphs. Have you ever considered....becoming a football manager ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 We play a counter attacking game with a conter attacking formation. Teams are more inclined to attack at home so we get more space and time on the ball and generally get better results. At St Marys teams play a more tight game, nearly everyone who comes to SMS plays with two banks of four behind the ball for 95% of the game and that doesn't suit us at all because we don't get any space to exploit. We obviously struggle to break teams down and the opposition grow in confidence and quite often snatch a goal. ABSOLUTELY, you summed up CCC team tactics in two paragraphs. Have you ever considered....becoming a football manager ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 How would you know, you don't go to SMS. I doubt very much St Marys has changed that much since i last attended (prior to Lowes return). beautiful work. LOL, it's ******** actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Our formation works better away because the home team is always trying to force the game, therefore leaving space behind in which to counter attack. If we can soak up pressure without conceding then it gives us the opportunity to break away. Whereas at home teams attack us a bit less and the game ends up more of a stalemate. Saturday was a typical championship away performance, play on the counter and defend deep then take the one clear chance we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 When our players play at home they are put under unbearable pressure from the supporters. So much so that they freeze up and are so tense they can't perform. This pressure doesn't exist away from home, they don't have put up with the snide comments from disgruntled supporters when a move goes wrong. The away supporters are "all for one and one for all" and this conveys to the players. The Chinese say, many hands make light work, and when people join hands during a seance and concentrate then the table will move, the table rise. So lets being joining hands, being of one voice, and concentrate on the ball going into the back of the net at the right end of the pitch. Willing them and more supporter concentration to score goals and they'll score goals and pick up the points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 Interesting assessment. So despite being a qualified coach and a former World Cup international footballer JP is blind to what happens on a football pitch. Now we know. Well spotted. What is even more bizarre is that the original poster could not be more wrong in my not terrible humble opinion. Actually away we seem to play a more measured game and focus on keeping possession and as the games go on space opens up and our higher level of skill than many teams - even Reading who are big and strong and very intelligent but actually man for man aren't as skilful - pays off; we make chances and hey presto. At home to me we seem too gung ho ; pressing forward far too much and resorting to too many glory balls (possibly partly encourged by the crowd) and we get caught on the break with too many forward. I would like us to play a much more considered game at home again focussing on possession and not worry about scoring early (although its always nice if you do) but instead be patient and wear down the opposition (its seen Arsenal and Liverpool all right over the years). The simple if obvious fact is that if its 0-0 with 20 to go and you are still dominating, you should make chances and win but if its 0-1 and 20 to go the pressure is all on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 January, 2009 Share Posted 12 January, 2009 When our players play at home they are put under unbearable pressure from the supporters. So much so that they freeze up and are so tense they can't perform. This pressure doesn't exist away from home, they don't have put up with the snide comments from disgruntled supporters when a move goes wrong. The away supporters are "all for one and one for all" and this conveys to the players. You always have spouted sh it. The fans have been totally behind the players this season but as you don't go to games what the fu ck would you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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