Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 A genuine question, it seems there are many people that believe we could attract a manager of the likes of Dowie or Bothroyd. When in the premiership we had status, the chance for someone young and ambitious, or with something to prove to make a name for themselves. Now, we are below many of the managers who 'failed' with us, we have a chairman who is widely accepted to be the type to heavily meddle with team affairs and transfers, and who divides fans more fiercely then any other chairman I can recall. We also have no financial resources to play with and Lowe has none of his own to put into the pot. I cannot see why anyone would want to take charge here and try to work with Rupert! Help me out here guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 You are absolutely right. I cannot see that any manager who is halfway decent would want to work with him....and if they were in two minds there are plenty of fellow managers they could ring up and ask who have already had the dubious pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Boothroyd wants a job. He said so on Radio 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 1) Ego, they all think they are wonderful and turn any situation around 2) Career development, look what working with Rupes did for WGS's career 3) They get to work with one of the top 50 young players in the world :smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 unemployed or give it a go..................... plenty of managers would jump at chance to manage us imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 A genuine question, it seems there are many people that believe we could attract a manager of the likes of Dowie or Bothroyd. When in the premiership we had status, the chance for someone young and ambitious, or with something to prove to make a name for themselves. Now, we are below many of the managers who 'failed' with us, we have a chairman who is widely accepted to be the type to heavily meddle with team affairs and transfers, and who divides fans more fiercely then any other chairman I can recall. We also have no financial resources to play with and Lowe has none of his own to put into the pot. I cannot see why anyone would want to take charge here and try to work with Rupert! Help me out here guys. There are about 90 registered managers listed as unemployed. I imagine some of them have mortgages to pay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 You're probably right, no one with any reputation is going to risk it at this disaster of a club. We could still attract someone better than Poortvleit though, there are plenty of out of work managers and jobs in the top two leagues are few and far between. Older managers on the scrap heap or young upcoming talent is the limit to what we can get. More the Adams/Coterill type than Dowie/Boothryoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 You are spot on. Hence why JP is manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Despite Lowe's poor decisions dragging us down, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we are still a relatively attractive proposition. Perversely, our situation might actually be a positive for a new guy, because even if he fails he could say, "Well I inherited a sinking ship and I am not culpable, as there was nothing I could do". Let's not get stuck in the "Who would we replace him with?" as a reason to stick with this fcking joker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 the same was said before burley came (and he had a history of falling out with chairmen) when it looked like we were getting Loc and Wotte... quite a few decent potential candidates would say yes to us tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 We need someone who is prepeared to tell it how it is, so I can't see the hard tough talking manager we crave wanting to come to a club that imposes a gagging order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Who now wished Pearson was still in charge ? That question is to the ones who didnt think Pearson would have done any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2009 We need someone who is prepeared to tell it how it is, so I can't see the hard tough talking manager we crave wanting to come to a club that imposes a gagging order. I totally agree, a yes man could never truly command the respect of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 a new man coming in and working under exactly the same conditions as jan will probably fail,maybe winning a couple of games on the back of the initial enthusiasm a new man brings. things have to change for a new man to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 unemployed or give it a go..................... plenty of managers would jump at chance to manage us imo Wrong. Maybe one or two desperate enough, or from far enough away that they aren't aware of the shenanigans that go on at St Marys. But you won't find managers of quality beating down the door anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 What we need is what I would call an "impact manager",who can get results quickly with a change in emphasis and motivation.Davies would have been ideal.Cotterill or the Dowie of his Palace days would be the next best thing available to us.Hoddle might at the very least make us hard to beat. This however is very different from a manager to build the club up again in the longer term.All of those mentioned have a relatively short shelf life in my view,and soon lose the direction and fail to maintain the same impetus. I'd go for one of the above until the end of the season then review it again.Hopefully without Lowe involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 No manager of any quality has EVER stayed at Saints under Lowe, so we shouldnt be surprised at this. JP and Lowe have to BOTH go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow&blue Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Why even give Lowe the opportunity to get rid of JP and bring someone else in to take charge? And what if, on the off chance, his replacement is a success, it will only boost RLs ego and he would say "I told you so..........". I agree with Saint Robbie, JP and Lowe have to BOTH go together........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 I cannot see why anyone would want to take charge here and try to work with Rupert! Help me out here guys. Short answer: they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 I guess we'll find out soon because LOWE WILL SACK PORTALOO soon, maybe next week. Now that lowe is in the firing line he'll sacrifice portaloo at the drop of a hat to deflect attention away from himself to try to create a "get behind the new manager" feeling. Lowe is not daft and will always look after number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 A ****ing good question. No one would want to work with this idiot of a chairman. Lowe is a parasitic ****roach. Why would anyone want to be 'his' manager. all the out of work managers out there are probably steering well clear of SFC - and for good reason. The judas ****** called Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 (edited) total over reaction alot of realistic new managers would jump at the chance to work here...lowe or no lowe these comments are up there with.. we will walk this league brett will score 20 UTD will field a youth team whether you like it or not (and I dont)...lowe got burley and he (at the time) was by a long way te best manager available and everyone said on here we had no chance of getting him for the same very reason.. lowe also got redknapp (again not liking it) and on paper...he was easily the best man for the job Edited 18 January, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Despite Lowe's poor decisions dragging us down, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that we are still a relatively attractive proposition. Perversely, our situation might actually be a positive for a new guy, because even if he fails he could say, "Well I inherited a sinking ship and I am not culpable, as there was nothing I could do". Let's not get stuck in the "Who would we replace him with?" as a reason to stick with this fcking joker. But surely Redkrap has sole ownership of that excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Oh God, the "we are so bad no-one would want to manage us brigade" are out in full force again. Clearly there are some managers with enough sense to know that working with Lowe would not be a very good idea, that will rule out Dowie, about the only really intelligent manager around. Then we have lots of other managers who realise that there is a job going and will bite Rupert's hand off to work at Saints. We are still seen as a good club (ok we know different), but managers know that jobs only last 1-2 years usually, they are usually not very bright (Dowie excepted) and will be willing to give it a go. They have nothing to lose, we are almost certainties for relegation, if they pull off an escape they will be lauded as saviours, if we go down as expected then people will blame Lowe and JP. Come on guys, be a bit more realistic, if JP goes today (please) then there will be a dozen or more hungry managers looking for a job, all of whom could do better than the totally inept, nice but dim Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I am sure that there IS a manager out there capable of saving this club who would rise to the challenge of working with our Chairman. It would be a massive boost to his CV if this could be achieved. It would need a strong type who could use the media to his advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I have decided.. Aidy Boothrooyd is the guy I want..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Boothroyd wants a job. He said so on Radio 5. When at Watford, he said he would want to awake a sleeping giant. I'd include us in that category - however, I doubt he'd wish to go somewhere in such a dire financial state such as ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Who now wished Pearson was still in charge ? That question is to the ones who didnt think Pearson would have done any better. There's no evidence either way so I don't bother worrying about what might have been tbh, but poor old Jan needs a break now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I have decided.. Aidy Boothrooyd is the guy I want..... Ooh, Hello sailor... Man, that works on so many levels... Anyway, yeah, he'd be my choice for manager now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I have decided.. Aidy Boothrooyd is the guy I want..... Ooh, Hello sailor... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 There's no evidence either way so I don't bother worrying about what might have been tbh, but poor old Jan needs a break now. A break? The bloke's a joke. He has the dynamism of a slug, no credibility, no knowledge of the CCC, no idea of tactics... and frankly taking off Perry when he wasnt injured yesterday = INCOMPETENCE. I'm sorry Ponty, the only break he needs right now is a permanent one with Southampton FC...services no longer required. I am sick of everyone saying its not his fault, look what Lowe's given him and he's a nice guy etc etc...He's ****ing CRAP! Did anyone read his programme notes about giving Sir Alex a nice bottle of wine? The bloke is smoking something! There was one thing that I did notice in his notes though that noone else has picked up on... an admission that you cant win anything with kids. He is now looking for men - the Total Football Youth experiment is OVER. Lowe has FAILED...JP at least seemed to hint at that... but its like the Captain of the Titanic telling everyone the ship can't sink when the final funnel entered the Atlantic. I agree with you though Boothroydd might be a good replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 A break? The bloke's a joke. He has the dynamism of a slug, no credibility, no knowledge of the CCC, no idea of tactics... and frankly taking off Perry when he wasnt injured yesterday = INCOMPETENCE. I'm sorry Ponty, the only break he needs right now is a permanent one with Southampton FC...services no longer required. I am sick of everyone saying its not his fault, look what Lowe's given him and he's a nice guy etc etc...He's ****ing CRAP! Did anyone read his programme notes about giving Sir Alex a nice bottle of wine? The bloke is smoking something! There was one thing that I did notice in his notes though that noone else has picked up on... an admission that you cant win anything with kids. He is now looking for men - the Total Football Youth experiment is OVER. Lowe has FAILED...JP at least seemed to hint at that... but its like the Captain of the Titanic telling everyone the ship can't sink when the final funnel entered the Atlantic. I agree with you though Boothroydd might be a good replacement. What I can't believe is how anyone expected it to succeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 A genuine question, it seems there are many people that believe we could attract a manager of the likes of Dowie or Bothroyd. When in the premiership we had status, the chance for someone young and ambitious, or with something to prove to make a name for themselves. Now, we are below many of the managers who 'failed' with us, we have a chairman who is widely accepted to be the type to heavily meddle with team affairs and transfers, and who divides fans more fiercely then any other chairman I can recall. We also have no financial resources to play with and Lowe has none of his own to put into the pot. I cannot see why anyone would want to take charge here and try to work with Rupert! Help me out here guys. One of the things that is most striking about Lowe (whatever you think of him or his motives) is that you can't argue with the fact that his mere presence at the club has been such a divisive force. Never have we had a Chairman who causes such a polarisation of views at all levels - Board, Fans, Players and Staff. I don't think it matters what side of the Lowe fence you sit on - his presence at the Club is demonstrably not having a positive effect. On the contrary those of us who witnessed the club's own fans fighting in the stands with one another yesterday can see how low the Club has fallen under Lowe. IMHO that alone should be justification for this man to go now before the damage is "League 1 irreparable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Under the current structure and individuals running it, the club is the poisoned chalice of British football.........nobody will want to manage it......unless they were desperate, and do we need a desperate individual?.no Only when the broom sweeps clean, be it administration or resignation of the board, will we attract a man of calibre who will take things to a higher level........... I fear there is much pain and gnashing of teeth to be done before that will occur!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I guess we'll find out soon because LOWE WILL SACK PORTALOO soon, maybe next week. Now that lowe is in the firing line he'll sacrifice portaloo at the drop of a hat to deflect attention away from himself to try to create a "get behind the new manager" feeling. Lowe is not daft and will always look after number 1. Or maybe he will sack JP because he will see he is not up to the job and we need to bring in someone who is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Or maybe he will sack JP because he will see he is not up to the job and we need to bring in someone who is? Or maybe he wont as part of his grand plan included the possibility of relegation as it is a long term strategy. Lowe's plan was always going to be a long term plan - personally I think it could succeed but we'd need to wait 20 odd years potentially. What IS significant I think was JPs programme comments that seemd to hint that the experiment was over. Unfortunately I threw my programme away in disgust yesterday, if anyone has one and is prepared to bash our JPs comments I suggest they are worth analysing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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