There is Some Logic Behind Why I'm Worried About This Season

[vrotherham1964]

Like most of us I guess, Monday was very disappointing. With Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City coming up in the next 5 games, I noticed I'm starting to get a little worried and yet I'm normally an optimist. I wondered why and then I realised there is some logic as to why I'm worried.

 

5 games in we have 5 points, which at this rate will give us 38 points (maybe enough). However, looking ahead, the Top 6 games represent 12 games of the last 33. If we assume we only get say 4 points from these Top 6 games, then we need maybe 31 points from the other 21 games, which is virtually 1.5 per game. To be safe this year, logically we either need to win occasionally against the Top 6 or win plenty of games like Brighton at home.

 

Of course, although I'm worried, win away to Liverpool or at home to Chelsea (pleaseeeee) and all worries will go away - for now! It seems to be what being a Saints fan is all about; going from optimism (sometimes blind) to worry, but the passion never wains.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Like most of us I guess, Monday was very disappointing. With Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City coming up in the next 5 games, I noticed I'm starting to get a little worried and yet I'm normally an optimist. I wondered why and then I realised there is some logic as to why I'm worried.

 

5 games in we have 5 points, which at this rate will give us 38 points (maybe enough). However, looking ahead, the Top 6 games represent 12 games of the last 33. If we assume we only get say 4 points from these Top 6 games, then we need maybe 31 points from the other 21 games, which is virtually 1.5 per game. To be safe this year, logically we either need to win occasionally against the Top 6 or win plenty of games like Brighton at home.

 

Of course, although I'm worried, win away to Liverpool or at home to Chelsea (pleaseeeee) and all worries will go away - for now! It seems to be what being a Saints fan is all about; going from optimism (sometimes blind) to worry, but the passion never wains.

 

This is the point I've been making all along - we needed to take advantage of this easy start otherwise we're ****ed.

 

Of his first 14 games in charge, Hughes has played less than his allocated games against the big 6 (he's only played 2 games) and we're averaging under a point per game.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

There is reason to be worried, but here's three reasons for hope:

 

- We have lots of new players who may bed in and get better

- How many times in the 90s did we have a terrible start and somehow pull it out of the bag?

- We can always sack Hughes if it isn't working and get someone else in

[Unbelievable Jeff]

There is reason to be worried, but here's three reasons for hope:

 

- We have lots of new players who may bed in and get better

- How many times in the 90s did we have a terrible start and somehow pull it out of the bag?

- We can always sack Hughes if it isn't working and get someone else in

 

We lack MLT now though...and how long do we give Hughes?

[Ex Lion Tamer]

We lack MLT now though...and how long do we give Hughes?

 

Fair point about MLT.

 

I think we need to assess Hughes in December - it gives him time to get it together but if necessary we can get a new man in before the January transfer window.

 

The big problem is our policy of only going for managers who are out of work, so we will have to assess who is available.

[St Lej]

This is the point I've been making all along - we needed to take advantage of this easy start otherwise we're ****ed.

 

Of his first 14 games in charge, Hughes has played less than his allocated games against the big 6 (he's only played 2 games) and we're averaging under a point per game.

 

He's played 3 of the big 6 so far actually, if we're being accurate. Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City last season.

[vrotherham1964]

There is always hope - when there isn't I'm finished with my 54 years of support and that hasn't happened yet, despite the 'Branfoot Years' and the dark 'Minus 10 Period'.

[RedArmy]

There is reason to be worried, but here's three reasons for hope:

 

- We have lots of new players who may bed in and get better

- n

3 players in the first team on Monday that weren't here last season. Hardly loads.

[tajjuk]

Of course there is some logic, we have played crap teams at home, we should be sitting on 12 points at least.

 

Should have beaten Burnley, Leicester and Brighton at home as all 3 of those teams are not very good nor are playing that well.

 

Plus we should have picked up a point at Everton.

 

We had an easy start and have stumbled along.

 

We now go to Liverpool, Wolves, have Chelsea at home and then Bournemouth away, so very easily could still be on 5 points 9 games in.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 players in the first team on Monday that weren't here last season. Hardly loads.

 

OK but they + Armstrong could make a difference

[vrotherham1964]

Surely, if Burnley (7th last year and in Europe), Leicester (PL champions 3 years ago) and Brighton (recently beat MU) are crap, who isn't crap?

 

It seems to me Burnley, Leicester and Brighton are exactly at our standard and therefore who we have to beat if we are to be OK. Weirdly, I feel we are a bit better than these other teams and for much of the games, looked it. Maybe we just need a better mental strength and leader on the field, a bit like our manager was as a player.

[Cabbage_Face]

Luckily there will be 3 worse teams than us, again.

[Supersubpuckett]

same rubbish different manager

 

the problem is the quality of our squad

 

i even had a palace supporting mate tell me last night that we don't have any standout players anymore and we're too easy to play

[Micky]

I'm not worried at all. On our current form I fully expect us to go down this season, no point worrying about it, sh it happens. Who knows, we may survive, bonus.

[gammon cheeks]

What i cant quite grasp is all pre season we played 3 at back ...tried to get in Maddison as a no 10 then we went for Armstromg who is another no 10 sort of player who can pass score goals and is very energetic .........but now we are playing a pretty predictable direct 442 syestem with no Armstrong in sight ?

[Micky]

What i cant quite grasp is all pre season we played 3 at back ...tried to get in Maddison as a no 10 then we went for Armstromg who is another no 10 sort of player who can pass score goals and is very energetic .........but now we are playing a pretty predictable direct 442 syestem with no Armstrong in sight ?

 

If you'd have seen the first hour against Burnley then you would know why we abandoned 3 at the back pretty sharpish. We looked / were woeful.

[BotleySaint]

i even had a palace supporting mate tell me last night that we don't have any standout players anymore and we're too easy to play

He obviously has a lower assessment of his own team then given we beat them 2-0.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

He obviously has a lower assessment of his own team then given we beat them 2-0.

 

I assume he put it down to missing Zaha - as that's probably the reason we won.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I assume he put it down to missing Zaha - as that's probably the reason we won.

 

Yep he would have stopped both goals

[tajjuk]

Yep he would have stopped both goals

 

Considering they concede less goals per game when he plays compared to when he doesn't, then yes effectively he might have done.

 

He carries their threat in attack, teams are scared of him, that in turn results in more possession, territory, space etc. for Palace and less threat towards their goal.

[Turkish]

I'm worried because our team is sh*t and our owners, chairman and board are a bunch of c*nts.

[Cabbage_Face]

I'm worried because our team is sh*t and our owners, chairman and board are a bunch of c*nts.

 

This.

[Dellman]

How long is Hughes contract for? The owners have paid out for the Clown's sacking, they won't want to pay out again so soon. And if they do, then we have Fat Sam on his annual rescue act. Either way, bit worrying.

[notnowcato]

How long is Hughes contract for? The owners have paid out for the Clown's sacking, they won't want to pay out again so soon. And if they do, then we have Fat Sam on his annual rescue act. Either way, bit worrying.

 

They won't want to pay out on sacking Hughes, but losing a few mill to pay off a manager compared to losing £100m by dropping out the league, I think we know what might happen. Not that I believe Hughes is the reason for our trend of the past 2 and a bit seasons. We're not attracting the players we were, we're not seen as a progressive club anymore, we're not reinvesting appropriately in the squad. When we've spent £18m+ it's been an utter failure, embarrassing in fact. What is our target? Complete lack of direction from the board.

 

We're not even going to win the net spend league this season!!!

 

Shambles.

[Dellman]

Yes it does seem the ambition and competence that Marcus and NC brought to lift us, has gone.

[Dark Munster]

Would this thread exist if Brighton hadn't been awarded that late soft penalty?

[Micky]

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[Micky]

Would this thread exist if Brighton hadn't been awarded that late soft penalty?

Good point, well made. Fine lines.

 

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[OttawaSaint]

Just enjoy the season. We'll win some, we'll lose some, we'll draw some. There will be unexpected results (good and bad) and we might even get a few lucky decisions. At the end of the season if we finish mid-table then that's about 16-18 defeats. If we go down, then we go down. We pick ourselves up and watch Saints in the Championship. It's not life or death, it's just a hobby.

[Dalek2003]

Just enjoy the season. We'll win some, we'll lose some, we'll draw some. There will be unexpected results (good and bad) and we might even get a few lucky decisions. At the end of the season if we finish mid-table then that's about 16-18 defeats. If we go down, then we go down. We pick ourselves up and watch Saints in the Championship. It's not life or death, it's just a hobby.

 

Leave those sentiments for WHEN we go down. I think we will be successful this season and stay up. I stand by my prediction of 16th.

[Pilchards]

I'm worried because our team is sh*t and our owners, chairman and board are a bunch of c*nts.

 

Exactly.

It will change nothing getting rid of Hughes as the board and owners will carry on making mistakes.

[Pilchards]

Just enjoy the season. We'll win some, we'll lose some, we'll draw some. There will be unexpected results (good and bad) and we might even get a few lucky decisions. At the end of the season if we finish mid-table then that's about 16-18 defeats. If we go down, then we go down. We pick ourselves up and watch Saints in the Championship. It's not life or death, it's just a hobby.

 

 

Love it....

But can you change it to.

We’ll win some, we’ll lose some, we’ll draw sh.ite loads.

[Patrick Bateman]

Would this thread exist if Brighton hadn't been awarded that late soft penalty?

 

Yes, because the team still played like sh*t in the 2nd half and the subs were still wrong and there was still no leader on the pitch. A 2-1 win would've been luck.

[Nordic Saint]

This is the point I've been making all along - we needed to take advantage of this easy start otherwise we're ****ed.

 

Of his first 14 games in charge, Hughes has played less than his allocated games against the big 6 (he's only played 2 games) and we're averaging under a point per game.

 

Yes, the eight points we got from our relatively easy first five games last season cushioned the blow of the later defeats by the big six and were what ultimately kept us up.

[supersonic]

We look a hell of a lot better this season than we did last. Vestergaard is a huge improvement, as is Ings. Redmond and PEH are like new signings the way they've started.

 

Once we grow some balls and see out games, we'll be fine.

[notnowcato]

We look a hell of a lot better this season than we did last. Vestergaard is a huge improvement, as is Ings. Redmond and PEH are like new signings the way they've started.

 

Once we grow some balls and see out games, we'll be fine.

 

I think I know what you meant to say but... Vestergaard is not an improvement on Double VD

[Roo1976]

This.

 

Who would you have as our manager...?

 

If Reed and Freddy left who would you like to see replace them...?

 

Would a new manager get the best or get us playing better than we are now,with added pressure on the squad to save thier wage packets for another season?

 

Wheres Gallagher and Gabbi ?.....or is Shane (he runs all day but cant score for sh!t) Long the only forward option we have in the future?..........

[Charlie Wayman]

You don't need reasons to be disappointed. You are watching diabolical crap every week and the anticipated and inevitable slide of our club into oblivion.