Guided Missile Posted 17 July, 2020 Share Posted 17 July, 2020 All you have to do go on holiday to Syria and sew a few suicide bombers into their jackets for room and board, while justifying the Manchester Arena bombings. I am sure we have a few woke Shamima Begum supporters on here to shout about her human rights. Jeez, this country is going to the dogs, while the French coastguard escort illegal immigrants into Dover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 July, 2020 Share Posted 17 July, 2020 The more you post, the more likely it becomes that you are a Russian bot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 17 July, 2020 Share Posted 17 July, 2020 She's edging towards celebrity status. It'll be a book deal next, then the Graham Norton show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 July, 2020 Share Posted 17 July, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Guided Missile said: All you have to do go on holiday to Syria and sew a few suicide bombers into their jackets for room and board, while justifying the Manchester Arena bombings. I am sure we have a few woke Shamima Begum supporters on here to shout about her human rights. Jeez, this country is going to the dogs, while the French coastguard escort illegal immigrants into Dover... Lets pretend for a moment that you actually think about issues. What have you got against the Kurds? They are trying to rebuild a war shattered territory. Why should they be held back by feeding and containing tens of thousands of foreign IS followers when they care barely care for their own people? Why shouldn't they be sent back to Germany, UK, Russia, US or wherever they came from to be dealt with? Edited 17 July, 2020 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 17 July, 2020 Share Posted 17 July, 2020 1 hour ago, Manuel said: She's edging towards celebrity status. It'll be a book deal next, then the Graham Norton show. Maybe get her kit off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 July, 2020 Share Posted 18 July, 2020 11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Maybe get her kit off. Genuinely made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 I don't want that cunt back in the country and we should break any international law to keep her out. You have to send a signal. Give Bangladesh £1m to have her. If we have to take her, put her on trial and lock her up for 30 years. But that will only create more agrieved GB hating nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 2 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: I don't want that cunt back in the country and we should break any international law to keep her out. You have to send a signal. Give Bangladesh £1m to have her. If we have to take her, put her on trial and lock her up for 30 years. But that will only create more agrieved GB hating nutters. Why bother with the trial if you're going to lock her up for 30 years anyway? Seems a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 Get the team that sorted out the Princess Diana problem to organise her reception committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 It's not a difficult subject. She's British. Unless and until Bangladesh give her citizenship (which they don't have to) she's our problem. She can't be made stateless. She wants to come home, she comes home. We then deal with her as the law allows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 1 minute ago, egg said: It's not a difficult subject. She's British. Unless and until Bangladesh give her citizenship (which they don't have to) she's our problem. She can't be made stateless. She wants to come home, she comes home. We then deal with her as the law allows. Treason ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Treason ? Dunno mate, it is what it is. But this "leave her where she is" and make her stateless nonsense isn't the answer. She's a piece of work, but she's our problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 The morally correct thing to do would be to dump her in Saudi or Egypt or some other state which openly promotes the Islamic extremism, which lead to the ISIS movement. Sadly there’s no legal mechanism for that so it looks like we’re stuck with her. If she is getting a private jet home, perhaps we can get Cardiff City to charter a 737Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 4 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: I don't want that cunt back in the country and we should break any international law to keep her out. You have to send a signal. Give Bangladesh £1m to have her. If we have to take her, put her on trial and lock her up for 30 years. But that will only create more agrieved GB hating nutters. The signal being, "I'm a reactionary half-wit". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: The morally correct thing to do would be to dump her in Saudi or Egypt or some other state which openly promotes the Islamic extremism, which lead to the ISIS movement. Sadly there’s no legal mechanism for that so it looks like we’re stuck with her. If she is getting a private jet home, perhaps we can get Cardiff City to charter a 737Max. This is a great plan. Perfect logic, realistic and pragmatic. I genuinely can't see any flaws at all. It is completely typical of the level of contribution we've come to expect from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, benjii said: This is a great plan. Perfect logic, realistic and pragmatic. I genuinely can't see any flaws at all. It is completely typical of the level of contribution we've come to expect from you. You did read the bit where I said there’s no legal mechanism and we’re stuck with her, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: You did read the bit where I said there’s no legal mechanism and we’re stuck with her, right? Yes, the one and only flaw with the otherwise thoughtful and sensible plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 Just now, benjii said: Yes, the one and only flaw with the otherwise thoughtful and sensible plan. It isn’t a plan, I just think there are plenty of other countries out there who deserve to foot the bill for her, even if it isn’t legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 17 minutes ago, benjii said: The signal being, "I'm a reactionary half-wit". That's right it's really reactionary to not want back someone who left forever to join an organisation that detests the west and western ideals, like the rule of law. The signal is that the things that these people reject, like intetnational law can't then be used by them when it suits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 17 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: That's right it's really reactionary to not want back someone who left forever to join an organisation that detests the west and western ideals, like the rule of law. The signal is that the things that these people reject, like intetnational law can't then be used by them when it suits them. So you want to show them that international law can't just be used when it suits you, by not using it when it suits you. Fucking genius, mush. And that's not to mention the rightful opprobrium that is heaped on countries that do exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 Flight Nonce148 leaving Gatwick for Thessaloniki shortly. After all, they invented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, benjii said: Flight Nonce148 leaving Gatwick for Thessaloniki shortly. After all, they invented it. What are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 Well, let's send our paedos to Greece. We can send gun crime folks to the US (they love a gun over there) and probably also our druggies to Colombia. Not sure about burglers yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 6 minutes ago, benjii said: So you want to show them that international law can't just be used when it suits you, by not using it when it suits you. Fucking genius, mush. And that's not to mention the rightful opprobrium that is heaped on countries that do exactly that. Yes that's right, if you think not being hypocritical is more important in this situation then crack on. I think more people would be happy if our country flouted the law on this occasion. What countries is our 0.001% disregard of the law going to offend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, benjii said: Well, let's send our paedos to Greece. We can send gun crime folks to the US (they love a gun over there) and probably also our druggies to Colombia. Not sure about burglers yet. We never sent anyone anywhere, you may need to work on your comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Yes that's right, if you think not being hypocritical is more important in this situation then crack on. I think more people would be happy if our country flouted the law on this occasion. What countries is our 0.001% disregard of the law going to offend? I think following the law is more important, for sure, than making a stupid, hypocritical and counterproductive gesture to placate a body of people of dubious motivation. And I think a country that makes arbitrary unlawful decisions is a country heading in a downwards trajectory. What's so bad about having her back and charging her with whatever crime we think she committed. If she's that heinous then she'll get banged-up. What's the criteria for being removed from that process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 6 minutes ago, benjii said: Well, let's send our paedos to Greece. We can send gun crime folks to the US (they love a gun over there) and probably also our druggies to Colombia. Not sure about burglers yet. Oh I see. So it’s national law in Greece, in 2020, that you have to bum a 9 year old and that in USA you have to do a drive-by on an elementary school? Or can you genuinely not tell the difference between that and places like Saudi Arabia, where you can be legally executed by the state for ‘crimes’ such as homosexuality, apostasy, blasphemy and adultery. Not that any of those values bares any resemblance to ISIS obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Oh I see. So it’s national law in Greece, in 2020, that you have to bum a 9 year old and that in USA you have to do a drive-by on an elementary school? Or can you genuinely not tell the difference between that and places like Saudi Arabia, where you can be legally executed by the state for ‘crimes’ such as homosexuality, apostasy, blasphemy and adultery. Not that any of those values bares any resemblance to ISIS obviously. You said the morally correct thing to do would be to dump her somewhere that you judge has similar values. Clearly that is an absurd way to administer anything approaching a coherent and respectable justice system and it is not moral, it is arbitrary. The morality lies in objectivity and in fair process. Edited 19 July, 2020 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 34 minutes ago, benjii said: Well, let's send our paedos to Greece. We can send gun crime folks to the US (they love a gun over there) and probably also our druggies to Colombia. Not sure about burglers yet. Obviously Liverpool but if need a country than Albania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 13 minutes ago, benjii said: You said the morally correct thing to do would be to dump her somewhere that you judge has similar values. Clearly that is an absurd way to administer anything approaching a coherent and respectable justice system and it is not moral, it is arbitrary. The morality lies in objectivity and in fair process. No, somewhere which openly promotes the same values as national law and has been wilfully exporting them to other countries in the region for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 16 minutes ago, whelk said: Obviously Liverpool but if need a country than Albania Good suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 I do wonder how she is going to get back, safely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 1 hour ago, Batman said: I do wonder how she is going to get back, safely? How easy is it to slip on a bar of soap on a private jet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 July, 2020 Share Posted 19 July, 2020 I can see a new game show format for Channel 4. If she can make it back to Dover then she can get her passport back and her day in court. They could call it 'race across (half) the world', but in this version the contestant(s) don't get given any money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 Is she actually going to be flown back by private jet or is just a Daily Mail type thread were gammon idiots just invent stories to make themselves angry about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 10 minutes ago, aintforever said: Is she actually going to be flown back by private jet or is just a Daily Mail type thread were gammon idiots just invent stories to make themselves angry about? Even if she is, it’s scarcely an issue. There are private charters like this all the time for passengers who are either high priority or security risk. Your average gammon may be imagining a Gulfstream 6 with its own bar and a Russia girl giving foot massages. In reality it’ll probably be something more akin to the plane Sala died in, although hopefully not quite so cowboy in its operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 42 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: In reality it’ll probably be something more akin to the plane Sala died in, although hopefully not quite so cowboy in its operation. As long as the crew have parachutes......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 41 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: As long as the crew have parachutes......... Packed by their husbands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, aintforever said: Is she actually going to be flown back by private jet or is just a Daily Mail type thread were gammon idiots just invent stories to make themselves angry about? I think you're probably overestimating the importance of facts and reality to a story compared with a good dose of of hypertension and outrage Edited 21 July, 2020 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 21 July, 2020 Share Posted 21 July, 2020 On 19/07/2020 at 12:27, benjii said: I think following the law is more important, for sure, than making a stupid, hypocritical and counterproductive gesture to placate a body of people of dubious motivation. And I think a country that makes arbitrary unlawful decisions is a country heading in a downwards trajectory. What's so bad about having her back and charging her with whatever crime we think she committed. If she's that heinous then she'll get banged-up. What's the criteria for being removed from that process? Well if they keep her out they will do it through a legal judgement won't they, they will claim national security. I reckon the vast majority of people who don't won't her back don't have dubious motivations. They don't want someone back who willing left forever to follow an abhorrent western hating ideology and they want a government to back people's base instinct of fairness and natural justice. The criteria for being removed from the process is her completely rejecting the process, I'm not advocating illegally extraditing her just simply leaving her where she freely went. What's the point of wasting millions bringing her back and locking her up for years, leave her where she is and spend the money tracking the other nutters already here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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