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It’s got to be one or the other, can’t be both at the same time. Neither of them are good enough on the ball to link up with the attack, so it just fell apart when Ings went off - there was no-one who could drive us forward. At least Romeu is a good passer who can pass the ball between the lines and Armstrong can carry the ball, so it needs to be either Armstrong or Romeu when fit partnering either Ward-Prowse or Diallo.

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I think he's quite a tidy player, Diallo. He's on a bad patch of form now though, there's no doubt in that.

Let's no re-write him as a player on the back these games, he's shown some real ability in previous matches - in a two with JWP as well.

Players go through poor form in a season, every player does. Our squad cannot absorb that though, so we have to carry out of form players when they get those runs.

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Just now, S-Clarke said:

I think he's quite a tidy player, Diallo. He's on a bad patch of form now though, there's no doubt in that.

Let's no re-write him as a player on the back these games, he's shown some real ability in previous matches - in a two with JWP as well.

Players go through poor form in a season, every player does. Our squad cannot absorb that though, so we have to carry out of form players when they get those runs.

I agree with this - Diallo has already shown before he has quality. Just going through a bad patch of form.

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15 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's quite a tidy player, Diallo. He's on a bad patch of form now though, there's no doubt in that.

Let's no re-write him as a player on the back these games, he's shown some real ability in previous matches - in a two with JWP as well.

Players go through poor form in a season, every player does. Our squad cannot absorb that though, so we have to carry out of form players when they get those runs.

Thats not how the jeckyl and hyde world of SWF works as you well know. A few bad performances and hes another shit signing. After the Liverpool game he was the best thing since sliced bread. 

I agree with your measured view. He is a player who is only 6/7 months into his PL career, is only 22 and is now realising that the demands of the PL are alot more than Ligue 1. Need to be patient with the kid, but he'll not get that on here from the football experts.

I also agree with some on here that him and JWP arent a great pairing. Both very similar players and quite lightweight. We need a player in there whos first instinct is to drive forward and play between the lines

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26 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's quite a tidy player, Diallo. He's on a bad patch of form now though, there's no doubt in that.

Let's no re-write him as a player on the back these games, he's shown some real ability in previous matches - in a two with JWP as well.

Players go through poor form in a season, every player does. Our squad cannot absorb that though, so we have to carry out of form players when they get those runs.

I'm not writing as a player. I just don't believe that you should carry on rewarding them in the short term for those displays.

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36 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I think he's quite a tidy player, Diallo. He's on a bad patch of form now though, there's no doubt in that.

Let's no re-write him as a player on the back these games, he's shown some real ability in previous matches - in a two with JWP as well.

Players go through poor form in a season, every player does. Our squad cannot absorb that though, so we have to carry out of form players when they get those runs.

Personally I prefer Diallo to JWP but not too sure many would agree with that. If Ward-Prowse and Diallo play together, I think we’re better off having Ward-Prowse on the right where he can have a bit more time on the ball and we can make better use of his deliveries and Armstrong and Diallo in the middle - Diallo breaking up play and Armstrong linking up with the attack.
 

Bit of a sticking plaster solution but our attack and defence are so disconnected otherwise.

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13 hours ago, Micky said:

Thought diallo was awful tonight, caught on the wrong side far too many times.  Needs to toughen up a lot, gets muscled out far too easily. 

I know the old adage - It's the size of the fight in the dog, not the size of the dog in the fight - and JWP in particular has done well to stick up for himself many times, but I think it is apparent that in many games Saints often appear noticeably physically smaller than other teams. It was clear against Leicester in the semi-final, yet we kept pumping high balls forward, against West Brom, against Spurs last night, and the one that really stood out for me, Chelsea earlier in the season. I know Romeo has a bit of beef about him, when he's available, but I think we should consider size when looking at potential recruits, and get the average up!

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14 hours ago, Nemi said:

Personally I prefer Diallo to JWP but not too sure many would agree with that. If Ward-Prowse and Diallo play together, I think we’re better off having Ward-Prowse on the right where he can have a bit more time on the ball and we can make better use of his deliveries and Armstrong and Diallo in the middle - Diallo breaking up play and Armstrong linking up with the attack.
 

Bit of a sticking plaster solution but our attack and defence are so disconnected otherwise.

Agree Diallo is better 

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James Ward-Prowse has been directly involved in 14 goals in the Premier League this season (8 goals, 6 assists), the most by a Southampton midfielder in a single campaign since Dusan Tadic in 2015-16 (19).

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24 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

James Ward-Prowse has been directly involved in 14 goals in the Premier League this season (8 goals, 6 assists), the most by a Southampton midfielder in a single campaign since Dusan Tadic in 2015-16 (19).

How many from open play would be an interesting stat 

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37 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

How many from open play would be an interesting stat 

His goal v Everton at the start of the season was his only goal or assist in open play. Everything else was a penalty, free-kick or corner.

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12 minutes ago, Nemi said:

His goal v Everton at the start of the season was his only goal or assist in open play. Everything else was a penalty, free-kick or corner.

His goals and assists are as I thought then, a bit of a nonsense stat 

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30 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

His goals and assists are as I thought then, a bit of a nonsense stat 

Well not really. His set pieces add value and make us a threat in games when we struggle to break down teams in open play (which happens often!)

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5 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Well not really. His set pieces add value and make us a threat in games when we struggle to break down teams in open play (which happens often!)

Pinch of salt stat then, nonsense stat when judging a players ability, but proves what he is though. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said:

Pinch of salt stat then, nonsense stat when judging a players ability, but proves what he is though. 

 

What is he? England international, one of the best set piece takers in arguably the world's best league, a fitness marvel playing 98 consecutive games (including filling out of position and having Zaha in his pocket), a consistent performer, a goal scoring midfielder, a captain before even hitting his possible prime and a product of the academy who has had to earn his place in the side while managers played musical chairs around him.

 

Honestly, what else do you want from the lad? How else do you want to measure his ability? Of course he's not De Bruyne or Fernandes ... if he was there is no way he would still be in a saints shirt. 

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3 hours ago, Nemi said:

His goal v Everton at the start of the season was his only goal or assist in open play. Everything else was a penalty, free-kick or corner.

His goal for England was from open play.

Not that it helps Saints, of course.

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15 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

What is he? England international, one of the best set piece takers in arguably the world's best league, a fitness marvel playing 98 consecutive games (including filling out of position and having Zaha in his pocket), a consistent performer, a goal scoring midfielder, a captain before even hitting his possible prime and a product of the academy who has had to earn his place in the side while managers played musical chairs around him.

 

Honestly, what else do you want from the lad? How else do you want to measure his ability? Of course he's not De Bruyne or Fernandes ... if he was there is no way he would still be in a saints shirt. 

They didn’t play musical chairs around him, he wasn’t good enough to play when we had a decent side. Now we’re average, he gets a game.
 

He is consistent, I’d agree with that. Are penalties counted as set pieces because his record ain’t great from the spot. 

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17 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

What is he? England international, one of the best set piece takers in arguably the world's best league, a fitness marvel playing 98 consecutive games (including filling out of position and having Zaha in his pocket), a consistent performer, a goal scoring midfielder, a captain before even hitting his possible prime and a product of the academy who has had to earn his place in the side while managers played musical chairs around him.

 

Honestly, what else do you want from the lad? How else do you want to measure his ability? Of course he's not De Bruyne or Fernandes ... if he was there is no way he would still be in a saints shirt. 

An overhyped above average midfielder who is really good at free kicks and has a 6ft 6 CB to aim for from corners. 

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5 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

An overhyped above average midfielder who is really good at free kicks and has a 6ft 6 CB to aim for from corners. 

How about his ball winning stats, distance covering stats and passing stats?

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14 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

How about his ball winning stats, distance covering stats and passing stats?

Would expect passing stats % to be high considering the passing types.

According to prem league stats tackles won 66%, duals lost is more than duals won. Successful 50/50’s is 15.

Through balls is 1 

Aerial battles lost is more than won 

Am I looking in the wrong place ? 

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16 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Why aren't they relevant to a role as a central midfielder? 🤔

Because they’re a load of old pony made up for the play station generation and wannabe Bill Beane’s 

I want to know how many tackles he should of made, not how many he did actually make. Is he running around a lot because he’s constantly out of position, stats don’t tell you that.Passing accuracy, what a load of old pony. If you only play safe passes, you’re going to rack them up, whilst hindering your team. If I give the ball to Bestie and he beats 5 plays before putting the keeper on his arse and scoring, I get an assist. However if I beat 5 players and give Shane Long a tap in that he misses, I don’t. Where’s the stats for bottling it and ducking instead of taking one in the mush.

What’s sums it up was watching Richards telling Souness  what a good player Grealish was,because he’s the most fouled player in the league. Souness pointed out that Ronnie Moran or Joe Fagin, coaches that won everything, would have said “you’re the most fouled because you’re holding in to the ball to long”. Blokes don’t need statistics in football. Pony 
 

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On 02/05/2021 at 14:05, Ed Rooney said:

An overhyped above average midfielder who is really good at free kicks and has a 6ft 6 CB to aim for from corners. 

Im really not sure what standard of player you think Saints can sign if a current England International is up to your expectations. 

You say over hyped, England manager seems to think different 

 

Strange eh

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11 minutes ago, Mustapha Fag said:

Im really not sure what standard of player you think Saints can sign if a current England International is up to your expectations. 

You say over hyped, England manager seems to think different 

 

Strange eh

Player to sign ? 
No player can be over hyped if they play for England then ? 

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On 02/05/2021 at 21:05, Ed Rooney said:

above average midfielder

Seeing as we are an under average team at the moment he must be one of our better players. If we sign more above average players then hopefully we can kick on into the top 10.

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14 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

Player to sign ? 
No player can be over hyped if they play for England then ? 

Just trying to find out who you see as a better under hyped player, football is all about opinions,  just want to gauge where yours are

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