Women’s Football

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

Almost refreshing (purely in the context of Saints Web, not the wider universe) to see Turkish having to backpedal and play his waffling contrarian "not me guv" avoidance bullshit about something racial rather than his usual go to of dancing round being openly homophobic and then denying he has said anything controversial whatsoever. Usual tactics. Drop a grenade and then retreat to a position of intellectual ineptitude and apparent disinterest. 

 

Where have I back peddled?

in fact a couple of posters seem to be offended by the use of the word bird, rather than black or big, which have been proven to be facts. Which doesn’t make my comments racist in the slightest, slightly sexist perhaps but that wasn’t the accusation. The woke prosecution’s case is unravelling rather quickly it seems 

[Convict Colony]

amusing thread.

Not watched any of the games but from the reports i've heard of the last 2 games there as been some utter inept spot kicks and finishing by eng and whoever they played leading to england somehow fluking through.

Sounds like potential southmapton players, get it done Spors.

[iansums]

20 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

Aaaaah, the 70's.

[East Kent Saint]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Where have I back peddled?

in fact a couple of posters seem to be offended by the use of the word bird, rather than black or big, which have been proven to be facts. Which doesn’t make my comments racist in the slightest, slightly sexist perhaps but that wasn’t the accusation. The woke prosecution’s case is unravelling rather quickly it seems 

Pure  Trump MAGA response 😄

[East Kent Saint]

38 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

I  think the original book cover had him saying "This engine is totally fucked mate "

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Pure  Trump MAGA response 😄

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂

yeah mate more rattled than a beggars a tin

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂

yeah mate more rattled than a beggars a tin

Don`t worry mate we have all been there, just glad you were able to accept it and not tried to deny it 😉

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Don`t worry mate we have all been there, just glad you were able to accept it and not tried to deny it 😉

I don’t know how I’m going to recover from this. The forum hardman backed into a corner, back peddling, looking desperate and pathetic. All accusations made by people getting upset about something I said 😂😂😂😂😂

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I don’t know how I’m going to recover from this. The forum hardman backed into a corner, back peddling, looking desperate and pathetic. All accusations made by people getting upset about something I said 😂😂😂😂😂

We are here for you and will help, I know you feel desperate and pathetic but admitting it is the start of recovery, Well done

[Zorba]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Where have I back peddled?

 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

We are here for you and will help, I know you feel desperate and pathetic but admitting it is the start of recovery, Well done

Thanks for the support pal but I’ll probably just start using one of my logins I created 17 years ago and pretend I’ve just been a lurker all that time

Edited Thursday at 14:34 by Turkish

[tdmickey3]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thanks for the support pal but I’ll probably just start using one of my logins I created 17 years ago and pretend I’ve just been a lurker all that time

Oh dear! I thought you were making progress with your admission but it seems that was a false dawn, try again and embrace it

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Where have I back peddled?

in fact a couple of posters seem to be offended by the use of the word bird, rather than black or big, which have been proven to be facts. 

You think posting a few pictures of MA next to players shorter than she is proves that your use of the word big is a fact!? Fuck me! 

You STILL don't get it do you. You're focusing on the individual words to claim that what you said was fine, while being oblivious (or wilfully ignorant) of the context or the combined effect of them altogether. Tell you what, I'll help you out by sharing what ChatGPT has to say about it...

Referring to a young woman of African descent as "the big black bird", even with the understanding that "bird" is British slang for a woman, would very likely be deemed offensive or inappropriate in most contexts today. Here's why:

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🔴 1. Racial Connotations

The phrase "black bird" has historically been used in derogatory or dehumanizing ways to describe Black individuals. Even if unintended, the combination of "black" (racial descriptor) and "bird" (non-human metaphor) evokes a troubling legacy of animalistic comparisons.

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🟠 2. 'Bird' as Sexist Slang

In British slang, "bird" to describe a woman is widely regarded as outdated and sexist. It reduces a woman to a casual, often objectifying term. So even used alone, "bird" can come off as dismissive.

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🟡 3. "Big" Adds Another Layer

Adding "big" could unintentionally highlight body size or presence in a way that might be perceived as stereotyping or rude — particularly given the intersection of racial and gendered implications.

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🟢 Intent vs. Impact

Even if your intent is neutral or affectionate, the impact is what matters most. This phrase, taken together, can easily be misinterpreted or found offensive by others, especially those unfamiliar with your intent or background.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

You think posting a few pictures of MA next to players shorter than she is proves that your use of the word big is a fact!? Fuck me! 

You STILL don't get it do you. You're focusing on the individual words to claim that what you said was fine, while being oblivious (or wilfully ignorant) of the context or the combined effect of them altogether. Tell you what, I'll help you out by sharing what ChatGPT has to say about it...

 

Referring to a young woman of African descent as "the big black bird", even with the understanding that "bird" is British slang for a woman, would very likely be deemed offensive or inappropriate in most contexts today. Here's why:

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🔴 1. Racial Connotations

The phrase "black bird" has historically been used in derogatory or dehumanizing ways to describe Black individuals. Even if unintended, the combination of "black" (racial descriptor) and "bird" (non-human metaphor) evokes a troubling legacy of animalistic comparisons.

---

🟠 2. 'Bird' as Sexist Slang

In British slang, "bird" to describe a woman is widely regarded as outdated and sexist. It reduces a woman to a casual, often objectifying term. So even used alone, "bird" can come off as dismissive.

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🟡 3. "Big" Adds Another Layer

Adding "big" could unintentionally highlight body size or presence in a way that might be perceived as stereotyping or rude — particularly given the intersection of racial and gendered implications.

---

🟢 Intent vs. Impact

Even if your intent is neutral or affectionate, the impact is what matters most. This phrase, taken together, can easily be misinterpreted or found offensive by others, especially those unfamiliar with your intent or background.

 

I’ve already apologised for offending a middle aged white bloke in Sheffield, what more do you want?!!

[tdmickey3]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’ve already apologised for offending a middle aged white bloke in Sheffield, what more do you want?!!

Come on now, you were doing so well

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

Not helpful....

Does what it says on the tin....

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

You think posting a few pictures of MA next to players shorter than she is proves that your use of the word big is a fact!? Fuck me! 

You STILL don't get it do you. You're focusing on the individual words to claim that what you said was fine, while being oblivious (or wilfully ignorant) of the context or the combined effect of them altogether. Tell you what, I'll help you out by sharing what ChatGPT has to say about it...

 

Referring to a young woman of African descent as "the big black bird", even with the understanding that "bird" is British slang for a woman, would very likely be deemed offensive or inappropriate in most contexts today. Here's why:

---

🔴 1. Racial Connotations

The phrase "black bird" has historically been used in derogatory or dehumanizing ways to describe Black individuals. Even if unintended, the combination of "black" (racial descriptor) and "bird" (non-human metaphor) evokes a troubling legacy of animalistic comparisons.

---

🟠 2. 'Bird' as Sexist Slang

In British slang, "bird" to describe a woman is widely regarded as outdated and sexist. It reduces a woman to a casual, often objectifying term. So even used alone, "bird" can come off as dismissive.

---

🟡 3. "Big" Adds Another Layer

Adding "big" could unintentionally highlight body size or presence in a way that might be perceived as stereotyping or rude — particularly given the intersection of racial and gendered implications.

---

🟢 Intent vs. Impact

Even if your intent is neutral or affectionate, the impact is what matters most. This phrase, taken together, can easily be misinterpreted or found offensive by others, especially those unfamiliar with your intent or background.

 

Crikey when you put it that way can I add my name to the list of offended people? 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

Crikey when you put it that way can I add my name to the list of offended people? 

 

[Ted Bates Statue]

This thread has veered heavily into Lucien Mettomo "who is that black guy he is so dominant" territory and I'm all for it.

[AlexLaw76]

There is way too much mansplaining going on here.

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is way too much mansplaining going on here.

I just hope sheaf missus doesn’t go next onto chat gbt on their lap top and wonder why  “is calling someone a  big black bird racist” the last thing searched 🤔

[sadoldgit]

13 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Look, many of you virtue signalling here do not really care about women’s football for about 48 weeks of the year. 
 

Many of us who are more honest that we  don’t care about women’s football, do not care about 1 whole week more than you. 
 

 

 

You don’t care about women’s football but you still find the time to post about it. 🤔

I don’t watch club games but I enjoy these international competitions. I don’t watch a lot of tennis but I do watch Wimbledon. I am not a big fan of athletics but I do watch some of the international competitions. Not sure what your issue is (apart from having a problem with the attention given to women’s football). Perhaps you would be happier if they just stayed in the kitchen? 😉

I assume that you won’t be watching the final then?

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You don’t care about women’s football but you still find the time to post about it. 🤔

I don’t watch club games but I enjoy these international competitions. I don’t watch a lot of tennis but I do watch Wimbledon. I am not a big fan of athletics but I do watch some of the international competitions. Not sure what your issue is (apart from having a problem with the attention given to women’s football). Perhaps you would be happier if they just stayed in the kitchen? 😉

I assume that you won’t be watching the final then?

When the pigeons fly from the rafters for the final time only then the  tenants truly control the land 

Edited yesterday at 03:40 by Turkish

[pingpong]

If any co-commentator used that phrase to describe agyemang, they'd be sacked, no question.  It’s clearly racist and sexist, it's derailing the thread, can we all just accept this Turkish character is a WUM and get back to the football?  They're not going to suddenly become a nicer person because we're calling them out.

Maybe shift this chain out into a separate lounge thread where the antiwoke brigade can post their memes and be cunts in a corner somewhere else?

You could call it "can't say anything these days" and have one place to move all of these types of conversations into it, and keep the rest of the forum a more inclusive and modern space to discuss, I dunno, football and stuff?

 

 

 

[Convict Colony]

Whose that big white bird who plays for england ?

[Badger]

12 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

This thread has veered heavily into Lucien Mettomo "who is that black guy he is so dominant" territory and I'm all for it.

Benthelegend.

Perhaps living up to his name with that often quoted line.

[hypochondriac]

Does anyone remember when someone went off trying to say that calling someone a China man was racist? 

[sfc4prem]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Does anyone remember when someone went off trying to say that calling someone a China man was racist? 

Hey, stop diverting the thread, England man.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Benthelegend.

Perhaps living up to his name with that often quoted line.

Forgot about him lol

[East Kent Saint]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Does anyone remember when someone went off trying to say that calling someone a China man was racist? 

From history on first contact with the British Empire the Chinese named us ghosts as we were white and smelt of dead people, also hairy etc . Usual reaction was to truss them up and then meet a bad end .

[Lord Duckhunter]

20 hours ago, Turkish said:

I’ve already apologised for offending a middle aged white bloke in Sheffield, what more do you want?!!

 

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

From history on first contact with the British Empire the Chinese named us ghosts as we were white and smelt of dead people, also hairy etc . Usual reaction was to truss them up and then meet a bad end .

We crashed their economy, destroyed their country and left after 2 months?

[Turkish]

anyway back to the football who else is buzzing for the game? As usual seems to be very little pre match chat 

any thoughts or tactics? I remember the World Cup final and euros against Spain we were second best so hopefully we can put on a better showing this time. 

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

anyway back to the football who else is buzzing for the game? As usual seems to be very little pre match chat 

any thoughts or tactics? I remember the World Cup final and euros against Spain we were second best so hopefully we can put on a better showing this time. 

I agree back to football, women's football will always have it's knockers but the skill level must be improving.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

22 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We crashed their economy, destroyed their country and left after 2 months?

That, and the lettuce then took over as emperor.

[Crab Lungs]

13 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Does anyone remember when someone went off trying to say that calling someone a China man was racist? 

Yeah, I got accused of it.

I was invited to explain my racism to his devastated family.

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Yeah, I got accused of it.

I was invited to explain my racism to his devastated family.

From memory someone found some definition that it was potentially viewed as racist because some people in America in the early 1900s used it. As if that had any relevance whatsoever 100 years later in the UK! Absolutely absurd. 

[Crab Lungs]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

From memory someone found some definition that it was potentially viewed as racist because some people in America in the early 1900s used it. As if that had any relevance whatsoever 100 years later in the UK! Absolutely absurd. 

That was it.

it was the term ‘chinaman’ - which I and I think many others were a bit surprised to discover was allegedly a slur back then.

I said, iirc, that it was typical of Saints to find the only skint chinaman in China or something to that effect. 

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

From memory someone found some definition that it was potentially viewed as racist because some people in America in the early 1900s used it. As if that had any relevance whatsoever 100 years later in the UK! Absolutely absurd. 

Wasn’t it a reference to Gao ?

Then someone - possibly MLG *- took the whole thread off on a tangent.

*Was going to say as only he can, but as proven on this thread others are also capable of that achievement.

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

I agree back to football, women's football will always have it's knockers but the skill level must be improving.

Now that’s a fact in more ways than one 

[East Kent Saint]

11 hours ago, Turkish said:

We crashed their economy, destroyed their country and left after 2 months?

https://australian.museum/learn/cultures/international-collection/chinese/the-mechanics-of-opium-wars/

A bit of history for you

[East Kent Saint]

11 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

That was it.

it was the term ‘chinaman’ - which I and I think many others were a bit surprised to discover was allegedly a slur back then.

I said, iirc, that it was typical of Saints to find the only skint chinaman in China or something to that effect. 

The term "chinaman" is believed to have originated from a match between England and the West Indies in 1933, where Ellis Achong, a left-arm unorthodox spinner of Chinese descent, dismissed Walter Robins. Robins reportedly used the phrase "fancy being done by a bloody Chinaman" as he walked back to the pavilion. 

While the term was initially used to describe the bowling action, it carries a history of racial connotations and is now considered offensive by many .

Copied from google , I remember the term from the 60's when watching test match cricket ! The American term was from when large numers of chinese were used as imported labour to build railways etc As seen in the TV series Kung Fu !

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• Racial Undertones:

  While the term was initially used to describe the bowling action, it carries a history of racial connotations and is now considered offensive by many.