Tyler Dibling

[Midfield_General]

22 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

we do not have to sell players to balance the books, i don't know why so many keep banging on about this. We are in a far better place to stand firm over our valuations and if the likes of Everton don't like it then quite frankly they can fuck off.

We do need to sell Dibling this summer though, because he isn't signing a new contract and his value will drop off a cliff next summer. So it may not be to Everton, and it may not be for £40m, but he is going to go - the only question now is to whom and for how much. I think we've obviously just had a sniff from someone else, which is why we're feeling confident enough to reject Everton's £40m. We know there's a better offer coming. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

We do need to sell Dibling this summer though, because he isn't signing a new contract and his value will drop off a cliff next summer. So it may not be to Everton, and it may not be for £40m, but he is going to go - the only question now is to whom and for how much. I think we've obviously just had a sniff from someone else, which is why we're feeling confident enough to reject Everton's £40m. We know there's a better offer coming. 

We're at that moment in the contract lifecycle really. The 2 year mark is predominantly the point where football clubs either extend or sell. We clearly want to extend, but he doesn't - so as a club, protecting our asset and ensuring we get as much profit as we can, I can see why we wouldn't just put out a blanket 'not for sale' message on him.

With the advent of PSR and all that rubbish, Dibling would present pure profit - 100% profit, no sell on to pay anyone, no transfer fee still being paid - it's just all our money, straight onto the balance sheet. That gives us so much more flex in the market. Leave it a year, we may go up but we end up in a position where he commands maybe 15-20m - we're then a PL club with £15m in the bank to try and replace him with, whilst upgrading the rest of our team.

Alternatively, we stay down, he still leaves - again 15m. Doesn't go as far.

If he doesn't want to sign it's the right time. If he still had 3 or 4 years left, then I'd expect the club to shut the door on it and tell him to get his head down - but I think we've got to be sensible about it really. Get as much as we can, and allow us to evolve this squad away from what it is. It would have been good for him to be part of it, like the Adkins years, but football has changed - it'll never happen like that again.

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

We do need to sell Dibling this summer though, because he isn't signing a new contract and his value will drop off a cliff next summer. So it may not be to Everton, and it may not be for £40m, but he is going to go - the only question now is to whom and for how much. I think we've obviously just had a sniff from someone else, which is why we're feeling confident enough to reject Everton's £40m. We know there's a better offer coming. 

Yeah, I reckon there’s other clubs in play. Possibly Spurs after Maddison’s injury which looked very bad and ACL-like. But others as well which is good if Levy is in the picture. Newcastle wouldn’t surprise me. 

[chiknsmack]

13 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

We do need to sell Dibling this summer though, because he isn't signing a new contract

Isn't he? The fact that the club are holding so firm on him means they think either other teams will come in for him and drive the price higher as you say, or that if he's still here come January and we're top of the league he'd sign a 3.5 year contract at good PL money and with a release clause.

There's been a contract in front of him that he hasn't signed, but that was for a club dropping out of the PL and sacking multiple managers. Maybe under a new regime of Spors and Still he'll be more inclined to stay (and maybe they'll offer a better contract).

He was happy to play behind closed doors vs Brighton, and the manager was happy to play him. So the door on him staying here obviously hasn't been closed by either side.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, chiknsmack said:

Isn't he? The fact that the club are holding so firm on him means they think either other teams will come in for him and drive the price higher as you say, or that if he's still here come January and we're top of the league he'd sign a 3.5 year contract at good PL money and with a release clause.

There's been a contract in front of him that he hasn't signed, but that was for a club dropping out of the PL and sacking multiple managers. Maybe under a new regime of Spors and Still he'll be more inclined to stay (and maybe they'll offer a better contract).

He was happy to play behind closed doors vs Brighton, and the manager was happy to play him. So the door on him staying here obviously hasn't been closed by either side.

Lol. He's off in a day or two. 

[gio1saints]

I do hope we’ve used Everton to flush out Spurs or even Newcastle as you say @Gloucester Saint. Spurs minus creative talents of Maddison -and Son - leaves a Tyler Dibling sized gap.

They might be in need of a new, creative, Paul Gascoigneseque star I’d say. Thinking box office type player. They did a fine job with Bale anyways so might be an easy sell by the owner - to Tyler and his family - it’s just could we screw enough money out of him…🤞

Edited yesterday at 18:54 by gio1saints

[Badger]

1 minute ago, gio1saints said:

They might be in need of a new, creative, Paul Gascoigneseque star I’d say. Thinking box office type player. They did a fine job with Bale anyways so might be an easy sell by the owner - to Tyler and his family - it’s just could we screw enough money out of him…🤞

Screw money out of Levy …. blood out of a stone comes to mind.

No, we could end up with a couple of Tommy Forecasts coming out way more likely. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I do hope we’ve used Everton to flush out Spurs or even Newcastle as you say @Gloucester Saint. Spurs minus creative talents of Maddison -and Son - leaves a Tyler Dibling sized gap.

They might be in need of a new, creative, Paul Gascoigneseque star I’d say. Thinking box office type player. They did a fine job with Bale anyways so might be an easy sell by the owner - to Tyler and his family - it’s just could we screw enough money out of him…🤞

The reason I suspect Newcastle is that Everton are getting pushed higher and higher - and that’s not Levy’s style. Newcastle are also frustrated at missing out in several ‘name’ creative players and forwards, so they might opt to buy their own. They’ve liked Tyler ever since that youth cup game up there. Spurs have just lost Maddison and Son in one weekend so Levy might do something rash.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Screw money out of Levy …. blood out of a stone comes to mind.

No, we could end up with a couple of Tommy Forecasts coming out way more likely. 

Donley on loan, although someone said Mason at WBA is in for him.

[Midfield_General]

7 minutes ago, chiknsmack said:

Isn't he? The fact that the club are holding so firm on him means they think either other teams will come in for him and drive the price higher as you say, or that if he's still here come January and we're top of the league he'd sign a 3.5 year contract at good PL money and with a release clause.

There's been a contract in front of him that he hasn't signed, but that was for a club dropping out of the PL and sacking multiple managers. Maybe under a new regime of Spors and Still he'll be more inclined to stay (and maybe they'll offer a better contract).

He was happy to play behind closed doors vs Brighton, and the manager was happy to play him. So the door on him staying here obviously hasn't been closed by either side.

I'm afraid I think that's wishful thinking mate. I think the club have known for a long time that he wasn't going to sign a new contract, which is why they started all the media noise about six months ago, bigging up how he was a £100m player and all that nonsense. They knew we'd have to sell this summer, so ever since then it's just been about inflating the asking price as much as possible. 

[Badger]

35 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

We do need to sell Dibling this summer though, because he isn't signing a new contract and his value will drop off a cliff next summer. 

This is true, and I’d like to see £40/45m plus add-ons. Prepare for disappointment thought.

But - wouldn’t he be worth more to us if he stayed and helped get us promoted? What did they say that was worth was it £100or £200m ? 
 

Perhaps that’s an over simplification, and question remains would he be instrumental in getting us back up ? 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

This is true, and I’d like to see £40/45m plus add-ons. Prepare for disappointment thought.

But - wouldn’t he be worth more to us if he stayed and helped get us promoted? What did they say that was worth was it £100or £200m ? 
 

Perhaps that’s an over simplification, and question remains would he be instrumental in getting us back up ? 

Big risk though. With 12 months left, even with a strong season this year, his value would be £20m tops.

Whether SR buy a lot of pet project garbage with some of the £45m is another story…

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Donley on loan, although someone said Mason at WBA is in for him.

That’ll be the largest loan fee known to man then. Worth giving negotiations with Spurs a wide berth. 
(£45 plus % sell on , and no loan fee doesn’t sound as bad ..). 

[Badger]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Big risk though. With 12 months left, even with a strong season this year, his value would be £20m tops.

Whether SR buy a lot of pet project garbage with some of the £45m is another story…

Isn’t it 12months, with an option of a further 12 month extension? 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Badger said:

That’ll be the largest loan fee known to man then. Worth giving negotiations with Spurs a wide berth. 
(£45 plus % sell on , and no loan fee doesn’t sound as bad ..). 

They’d probably be unrelated transactions other than Saints accepting Spurs bid as the highest presuming Tyler wanted to go there.

*MLG mode deactivated

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Badger said:

Isn’t it 12months, with an option of a further 12 month extension? 

We could extend the contract unilaterally up to a certain age but IIRC that stops next summer?

[Badger]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

They’d probably be unrelated transactions other than Saints accepting Spurs bid as the highest presuming Tyler wanted to go there.

*MLG mode deactivated

Still wouldn’t buy a used car from Levy. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Still wouldn’t buy a used car from Levy. 

KWP worked out alright though. And however Spors turns out, he can’t be as much of a mug as *Rupert Lowe

*aside from the residents of Great Yarmouth

He doesn’t live that far from either of us if you know where Withington is?

Edited yesterday at 19:10 by Gloucester Saint

[Midfield_General]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

This is true, and I’d like to see £40/45m plus add-ons. Prepare for disappointment thought.

But - wouldn’t he be worth more to us if he stayed and helped get us promoted? What did they say that was worth was it £100or £200m ? 
 

Perhaps that’s an over simplification, and question remains would he be instrumental in getting us back up ? 

I suspect the club think that selling him gives us a better chance of getting both.

Get £45m - £50m guaranteed into the coffers now for a player who doesn't want to stay, then reinvest some of that back into the squad for a couple of players to keep it strong overall for a good tilt at promotion, and keep a bit of profit in between (or pay off some of whatever our debts are). 

Guaranteed circa 50 mill now vs. possible £100m if we go up (which is far from guaranteed, with or without him), and the bird in the hand is probably more attractive than the much higher risk attached to going the other way. 

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

KWP worked out alright though. And however Spors turns out, he can’t be as much of a mug as *Rupert Lowe

*aside from the residents of Great Yarmouth

He doesn’t live that far from either of us if you know where Withington is?

Yes, well aware of it (The Mill at Withington - haven’t been there for years, might not even still be open). Nice part of the Cotswolds though 

[Badger]

3 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I suspect the club think that selling him gives us a better chance of getting both.

Get £45m - £50m guaranteed into the coffers now for a player who doesn't want to stay, then reinvest some of that back into the squad for a couple of players to keep it strong overall for a good tilt at promotion, and keep a bit of profit in between (or pay off some of whatever our debts are). 

Guaranteed circa 50 mill now vs. possible £100m if we go up (which is far from guaranteed, with or without him), and the bird in the hand is probably more attractive than the much higher risk attached to going the other way. 

Suspect the £50m now might be a bit optimistic to be honest, but IF that were on offer then yes, sounds good.

Birds in the hand, or in the bush though is an entirely different topic and maybe not for on here..  

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Yes, well aware of it (The Mill at Withington - haven’t been there for years, might not even still be open). Nice part of the Cotswolds though 

Still there https://mill-inn-withington.co.uk

Northleach isn’t far from there which is also very nice. Didn’t buy there as most of the houses had oil-powered heating. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Us

We are too weak to hold a player who doesn’t want to stay so I agree 

Edited yesterday at 20:02 by pimpin4rizeal

[saintant]

Take anything north of £35m because a) clubs know he's not signing a new contract with us and b) his very poor second half of last season means he has no real track record in the Premier League so is a gamble that most clubs won't pay the really big bucks for. Anything around £40m would be a deal we should be happy with. We don't want to get ripped off but equally, play hard ball, and we may scare off all potential suitors. It's a tricky balancing act but, unfortunately, we have to accept we don't hold all the cards.

[Lighthouse]

31 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

We are too weak to hold a player who doesn’t want to stay so I agree 

So were Liverpool with Trent, this isn’t unique to Saints.

[Midfield_General]

13 minutes ago, saintant said:

Take anything north of £35m because a) clubs know he's not signing a new contract with us and b) his very poor second half of last season means he has no real track record in the Premier League so is a gamble that most clubs won't pay the really big bucks for. Anything around £40m would be a deal we should be happy with. We don't want to get ripped off but equally, play hard ball, and we may scare off all potential suitors. It's a tricky balancing act but, unfortunately, we have to accept we don't hold all the cards.

I think you underestimate just how desperate the dugout pioneers are and how much we can fleece them for. They're coming back with £45m. Whether we take that or are just using them to flush out an even better offer (which is what the Guardian guy was hinting at) remains to be seen. 

Edited yesterday at 20:36 by Midfield_General

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

One report claiming Everton are prepared to walk away if our valuation doesn't drop. It'll be interesting to see what happens next as they desperately need signings. We also need to sell Dibling really to stop him leaving for a low fee next summer. 

This last line is why we will cave

[Harry_SFC]

🚨 Southampton & Everton internally believe a deal for Tyler Dibling 'is not far away', with a gap of around £3.5m – Dibling is keen on the move but respectful of Saints' need to get the best terms possible #saintsfc @ElBobble @thebullensview

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

🚨 Southampton & Everton internally believe a deal for Tyler Dibling 'is not far away', with a gap of around £3.5m – Dibling is keen on the move but respectful of Saints' need to get the best terms possible #saintsfc @ElBobble @thebullensview

He'll be a Toffee by the weekend.

[SuperSAINT]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

🚨 Southampton & Everton internally believe a deal for Tyler Dibling 'is not far away', with a gap of around £3.5m – Dibling is keen on the move but respectful of Saints' need to get the best terms possible #saintsfc @ElBobble @thebullensview

No reason to not believe the guy, but he also referenced ”Spors being a tough nut to crack” - when it’s supposedly Rasmus who handles sales.

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, SuperSAINT said:

No reason to not believe the guy, but he also referenced ”Spors being a tough nut to crack” - when it’s supposedly Rasmus who handles sales.

Yeah I've seen a few of the Everton Journos reference Spors too. 

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

This last line is why we will cave

In a nutshell   - but 'we' won't regret it.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

🚨 Southampton & Everton internally believe a deal for Tyler Dibling 'is not far away', with a gap of around £3.5m – Dibling is keen on the move but respectful of Saints' need to get the best terms possible #saintsfc @ElBobble @thebullensview

Keen to join Everton? Guess he really doesn't have a lot of options then.

[sockeye]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Keen to join Everton? Guess he really doesn't have a lot of options then.

To be fair I think Everton will be a different beast under this new ownership. I expect them to move upwards whilst some other staples continue to capitulate. For players, one of the PL’s more exciting projects

Edited yesterday at 21:09 by sockeye

[Lighthouse]

Is @elbobble the random Twitter account people weirdly think is ITK for no reason, this summer? Hardly seems like a credible journalist.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, sockeye said:

To be fair I think Everton will be a different beast under this new ownership. I expect them to move upwards whilst some other staples continue to capitulate. For players, one of the PL’s more exciting projects

Possibly. I don't think it's going to happen overnight though. They are going to need much better players than they have and have been signing. 

[washsaint]

A strange move this one.  Dibling is far from the finished product (in fact, I'd go as far as to say Robinson is looking the better of the 2 so far) and Everton is not a big club in the truest sense.  This would effectively be a sideways move for him.

He has the potential to be a top, top player but his form fell off a cliff after a really bright start last season.

For the price tag being bandied about you'd think a club would be looking for the finished article and not a rough diamond 

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, washsaint said:

A strange move this one.  Dibling is far from the finished product (in fact, I'd go as far as to say Robinson is looking the better of the 2 so far) and Everton is not a big club in the truest sense.  This would effectively be a sideways move for him.

He has the potential to be a top, top player but his form fell off a cliff after a really bright start last season.

For the price tag being bandied about you'd think a club would be looking for the finished article and not a rough diamond 

Any move from the Championship to the Premier League can never be called a sideways move. And its not like he'd be going to Sunderland or Wolves or something. Everton will be mid table.

If he really is going to be a superstar then Everton would be a platform to move on to a CL club in two years time.

Whether this is good for him or them remains to be seen. Just give us the money (close to £40m) and get him gone. He played a handful of games for us so I'm not hugely bothered, just a shame we wont see the best of him.

Edited yesterday at 21:31 by CB Fry

[gurru991]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Screw money out of Levy …. blood out of a stone comes to mind.

No, we could end up with a couple of Tommy Forecasts coming out way more likely. 

I’m not too sure about that.  Everton pulled his pants down on the Richarlison deal.   He can be had !!!

[LeG]

Other clubs interested are Spurs, United, Liverpool and one from Germany. Lead to believe that they aren’t the only ones. Doubt he’s going to Everton with the other waiting in the wings. 

Same with Fernandes…loads and loads want him. I reckon this could be a club record fee….

Edited yesterday at 21:40 by LeG

[LeG]

Also Dibling has been badly advised by his agent imo. He could have signed a very good new deal with us and gone for huge money after some much needed development but all his agent can see are the £ signs. I hope his parents intervene and at least get him to a club who will play / develop him. I can see him back here on loan if Liverpool or United get him. 

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, LeG said:

Other clubs interested are Spurs, United, Liverpool and one from Germany. Leas to believe that they aren’t the only ones. Doubt he’s going to Everton with the other waiting in the wings. 

Same with Fernandes…loads and loads want him. I reckon this could be a club record fee….

As in - more than the £80m we received for Virgil? 😐

I'll believe that when I see it.

[LeG]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

As in - more than the £80m we received for Virgil? 😐

I'll believe that when I see it.

He was £70m. I saw the accounts. It was pretty much all upfront as well…which we demanded due to the fact they tapped him up. We didn’t pursue the case once they paid it. 
 

 

[CB Fry]

4 minutes ago, LeG said:

Other clubs interested are Spurs, United, Liverpool and one from Germany. Lead to believe that they aren’t the only ones. Doubt he’s going to Everton with the other waiting in the wings. 

Same with Fernandes…loads and loads want him. I reckon this could be a club record fee….

 

1 minute ago, LeG said:

Also Dibling has been badly advised by his agent imo. He could have signed a very good new deal with us and gone for huge money after some much needed development but all his agent can see are the £ signs. I hope his parents intervene and at least get him to a club who will play / develop him. I can see him back here on loan if Liverpool or United get him. 

"Badly advised by his agent" = play for Saints in the Championship because that's what I personally want.

If he ends up on huge money at one of the clubs you yourself have listed then I don't think this supposed bad advice is going to hurt him too much.

[bpsaint]

Hopefully we go for whoever is willing to give us the most up front. You know Everton and Spurs especially will have loads of caveats to unlock so that we get the full transfer fee.

Cost us very little, and that money could buy 3 or 4 decent players for this league. Whether it gets used that way is another story of course.

[SuperSAINT]

9 minutes ago, LeG said:

Other clubs interested are Spurs, United, Liverpool and one from Germany. Lead to believe that they aren’t the only ones. Doubt he’s going to Everton with the other waiting in the wings. 

Same with Fernandes…loads and loads want him. I reckon this could be a club record fee….

I know Maddison got injured - but I’m not sure I can see Levy stumping up 45m+ for him.  They’ve got Johnson & Kudus on the right wing too.

[Chez]

37 minutes ago, LeG said:

Also Dibling has been badly advised by his agent imo. He could have signed a very good new deal with us and gone for huge money after some much needed development but all his agent can see are the £ signs. I hope his parents intervene and at least get him to a club who will play / develop him. I can see him back here on loan if Liverpool or United get him. 

If his agent allowed him to sign a new contract with Saints over the last 12 months, he would have badly advised him.

The agent's job is to see pound signs. That is literally what the player pays him for. To help him earn more money. 

However, the idea that the agent pushed him into a move so he personally could make a quick buck is not accurate either. The agent would probably have got 10% of his earnings this past year. Someone posted on here that Dibling was on £5k a week. I've no idea if that is true, but let's run with it. That's £250k a year, so £25k to the agent. If he had signed a new contract with Saints 12 months ago on say, £50k a week, that would be £2.5m a year, so £250,000 to the agent. The agent just missed out on £225k and any percentage of the signing on bonus Saints were offering by telling the player not to sign a new deal.

The player had to be patient. But so did the agent. He knew that one way or another Dibling and himself would get paid and the longer they waited the more they would get.

He told him to sit tight because it also offered more flexibility in terms and a way out if Saints went down and he wanted to continue in the PL (and not have to take a 40% cut in wage). Equally if Saints stayed up and he wanted to stay, by waiting a year or even two, Saints would consider offering him a better deal than they were before or risk losing him for free at some point.

And now 12 months later, he is about to get paid a lot more than Saints were offering.

The agent has played it perfectly. The advice, in order to maximise his income, was spot on. He's now going to get £100k+ a week for four or five years, probably a massive loyalty bonus due to Saints profiting off his back and a signing on fee from the buyer to boot. The lost £2.25m is a distant memory.

[woodsaint1]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The reason I suspect Newcastle is that Everton are getting pushed higher and higher - and that’s not Levy’s style. Newcastle are also frustrated at missing out in several ‘name’ creative players and forwards, so they might opt to buy their own. They’ve liked Tyler ever since that youth cup game up there. Spurs have just lost Maddison and Son in one weekend so Levy might do something rash.

Not sure Newcastle need Dibling.

They've signed Elanga and already have Gordon, Barnes and Murphy for the wing positions. Osula can play there too

[Saint Keef]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c7vlzjd3nero

 

Apologies if already mentioned on here, but is that the £28m they'd earmarked for Dibling?

[Tamesaint]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

I believe in 1984 we lost at home to Stoke who were later relegated. But in truth we were never really in the running for the title, Liverpool had won it weeks before the end of the season and we had a great run after the semi final defeat which meant we finished second place with a win on the last game of the season. 
 

we have a history of heroic failure when we have a chance of glory don’t we. It’s also typical of us that the 3 finals we’ve got to since our win we’ve played 3 of the best teams in the country at the time. Forest would win the European cup the next two seasons, Arsenal were around the invincibles era and Man United had Mourniho as manager still in his prime and Ibrahomovic up front, they also won the Europa league and qualified for the champions league that season,  not quite Fergies United but still a very good team. Meanwhile when the skates get to a cup final they play a team who finished 12th in the championship 🙄

Notts County. Not Stoke. 

We outplayed them in November and lost 1 nil.