What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

That's quite clearly not true.

Recent incidents suggest otherwise 

 

[LuckyNumber7]

14 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Recent incidents suggest otherwise 

 

We can pick out any random incident from either side, that doesn't prove anything. All the stats show that Islamic terrorism is far more of a threat, both in terms of the number of incidents and the number of deaths, than anything done by the 'far right'.

[ecuk268]

Has Farage been on social media to condemn this yet?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

40 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Has Farage been on social media to condemn this yet?

Farage is still getting his head round the focal point of Muslim culture that the man attacked. The pizzeria.

Soon, he will be linking it up with WWII attacks that locals made on ice cream parlours, due to the proprietor's Italian connections. "Bloomin' Muslim Catholics. We didn't want them or their amazing cuisine in the 1930s and we don't want their fascinating cultures going into the 2030s!"

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

We can pick out any random incident from either side, that doesn't prove anything. All the stats show that Islamic terrorism is far more of a threat, both in terms of the number of incidents and the number of deaths, than anything done by the 'far right'.

Statistically that’s currently true but the balance is shifting, 25% and rising is a much larger % from the white far right than we’ve had for a decades and it’s a growing danger https://www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update

[Gloucester Saint]

46 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Has Farage been on social media to condemn this yet?

85% of group-based sexual abuse is committed by white men (Council of Police Chiefs)

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

85% of group-based sexual abuse is committed by white men (Council of Police Chiefs)

If they were granted the privilege to stay here, then they should be sent back to where ever it is they came from...probably within a week.

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

85% of group-based sexual abuse is committed by white men (Council of Police Chiefs)

Fucking  hell, and I thought it was bad when they were all masons 

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Statistically that’s currently true but the balance is shifting, 25% and rising is a much larger % from the white far right than we’ve had for a decades and it’s a growing danger https://www.mi5.gov.uk/director-general-ken-mccallum-gives-latest-threat-update

Yes I agree it's probably on the rise. It's basically an inevitable retaliation to what we've been witnessing over the last 20 years or so. But overall, Islam is and will likely continue to be a far more dangerous threat.

[badgerx16]

Police have released a transcript of what the officers attending Henry Novek said and did after the original bodycam footage ends.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2v02r105jo

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Police have released a transcript of what the officers attending Henry Novek said and did after the original bodycam footage ends.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2v02r105jo

All the outrage at the police but  you can see they were desperate. So sad all round. We all fuck up but some professions it has huge consequences. Imagine having that on your conscience?  Makes me even more livid at that cunt that cried racism and those knuckle dragging retards who want to riot
 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

All the outrage at the police but  you can see they were desperate. So sad all round. We all fuck up but some professions it has huge consequences. Imagine having that on your conscience?  Makes me even more livid at that cunt that cried racism and those knuckle dragging retards who want to riot
 

I agree Whelk. I largely don't blame the individual police officers for this. The training certainly needs looking at but that's not on individuals who made honest mistakes. 

[egg]

16 minutes ago, whelk said:

All the outrage at the police but  you can see they were desperate. So sad all round. We all fuck up but some professions it has huge consequences. Imagine having that on your conscience?  Makes me even more livid at that cunt that cried racism and those knuckle dragging retards who want to riot
 

Absolutely. They were desperate, and they tried incredibly hard to save the fella. None of us would want to have been in their shoes, and if we're honest, none of us could be certain we'd have handled it any better. Very sad. 

[Gloucester Saint]

On a lighter note, a tasty little morsel for Soggy to enjoy (and everyone else) 

 

[badgerx16]

The man seen on video breaking a female PC's nose in an altercation at Manchester airport has been jailed for three and a half years.

[Weston Super Saint]

29 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The man seen on video breaking a female PC's nose in an altercation at Manchester airport has been jailed for three and a half years.

But still nothing for assualting the male PCs!

Edited yesterday at 17:19 by Weston Super Saint

[Turkish]

Linton on Ouse a small village of about 800 people about 45 minutes from me, they are proposing to house 1500 male asylum seekers. Be honest, would anyone want this happening on their doorstep?

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Linton on Ouse a small village of about 800 people about 45 minutes from me, they are proposing to house 1500 male asylum seekers. Be honest, would anyone want this happening on their doorstep?

BBC fact check

Population was 1,201 in the 2011 census, so probably higher now.

The plan to house asylum seekers was first mooted in 2022, then scrapped.  They will be housed on the now defunct RAF base.  But it probably won't go ahead as the woke brigade claim the poor little darlings become scarred for life if housed on a secure military base and not in a luxury hotel!

[egg]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Linton on Ouse a small village of about 800 people about 45 minutes from me, they are proposing to house 1500 male asylum seekers. Be honest, would anyone want this happening on their doorstep?

Nobody wants this on their doorstep, but what's the choice? We ain't closing the channel, and the asylum system as it stands, drags out processing claims.  

Small groups in HMO's in residential areas = complaints, bigger groups in Hotels mostly away from residential areas = complaints, even bigger groups in detention centres away from major towns = complaints. 

The latter is the least worst option for me. 

[Turkish]

50 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

BBC fact check

Population was 1,201 in the 2011 census, so probably higher now.

The plan to house asylum seekers was first mooted in 2022, then scrapped.  They will be housed on the now defunct RAF base.  But it probably won't go ahead as the woke brigade claim the poor little darlings become scarred for life if housed on a secure military base and not in a luxury hotel!

They are trying again was ok the local news last night 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/linton-on-ouse-asylum-seekers-centre-b3003639.html

[aintforever]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Nobody wants this on their doorstep, but what's the choice? We ain't closing the channel, and the asylum system as it stands, drags out processing claims.  

Small groups in HMO's in residential areas = complaints, bigger groups in Hotels mostly away from residential areas = complaints, even bigger groups in detention centres away from major towns = complaints. 

The latter is the least worst option for me. 

This. There is no perfect solution to this but a former military barracks is probably the ideal place to house loads of young men.

[Turkish]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

Nobody wants this on their doorstep, but what's the choice? We ain't closing the channel, and the asylum system as it stands, drags out processing claims.  

Small groups in HMO's in residential areas = complaints, bigger groups in Hotels mostly away from residential areas = complaints, even bigger groups in detention centres away from major towns = complaints. 

The latter is the least worst option for me. 

One answer would be to find those who jumped up and down and accused everyone of being racist who opposed immigration to be forced to take some in

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. There is no perfect solution to this but a former military barracks is probably the ideal place to house loads of young men.

Ideal place as long as it’s not near where you live right?

[egg]

11 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. There is no perfect solution to this but a former military barracks is probably the ideal place to house loads of young men.

Yep. People complained about hotels and asked for detention centres to be used. That'll happen, only to become the next complaint. I get that some people don't want brown people arriving, but they do and will, and have to be housed somewhere. Or be left to camp in the fields/be left to build shanty towns. It's a lesser of evils scenario. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

One answer would be to find those who jumped up and down and accused everyone of being racist who opposed immigration to be forced to take some in

Daft options like that aren't options. 

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

Yep. People complained about hotels and asked for detention centres to be used. That'll happen, only to become the next complaint. I get that some people don't want brown people arriving, but they do and will, and have to be housed somewhere. Or be left to camp in the fields/be left to build shanty towns. It's a lesser of evils scenario. 

Ha 😂😂

and there it is “some people don’t want brown people arriving” 😂😂

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Ideal place as long as it’s not near where you live right?

Postcode lottery.

Hotels, HMO's, detention centres, fields/woods/streets, shanty towns. Take your pick. 

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

Daft options like that aren't options. 

It was obviously a facetious comment 

I do find it highly amusing how on the one hand accusations of racism are made about brown people arriving yet on the other hand no one wants them to arrive near them. It’s fine let them come as long as I don’t have to see them 😂😂😂

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Ha 😂😂

and there it is “some people don’t want brown people arriving” 😂😂

That's exactly the issue. People don't want people arriving. People do and will. This issue is where to accommodate people when they do. 

What's your suggestion, apart from asking people to let them lodge with them?

[Challenger]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ideal place as long as it’s not near where you live right?

Is there one on St Kilda ?

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

That's exactly the issue. People don't want people arriving. People do and will. This issue is where to accommodate people when they do. 

What's your suggestion, apart from asking people to let them lodge with them?

I’m not paid to come up with solutions unfortunately and coming up with any ideas is pointless anyway as it’ll just be shot down as not practical, racist, won’t work or all of the above
 

Some have won the postcode lottery, for now at least. 

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It was obviously a facetious comment 

I do find it highly amusing how on the one hand accusations of racism are made about brown people arriving yet on the other hand no one wants them to arrive near them. It’s fine let them come as long as I don’t have to see them 😂😂😂

There's no denying that many people look at the men amongst brown asylum seekers and fear/assume rapist. That's an unfortunate fact. 

Where asylum seekers are accommodated needs discussion. You're complaining about a detention centre, but won't say what's preferred. 

Where do they get accommodated whilst here pending being processed? 

 

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

There's no denying that many people look at the men amongst brown asylum seekers and fear/assume rapist. That's an unfortunate fact. 

Where asylum seekers are accommodated needs discussion. You're complaining about a detention centre, but won't say what's preferred. 

Where do they get accommodated whilst here pending being processed? 

 

More, probably vastly more, see the influx as a visual indicator of the rapid decline of the country. Completely toothless to do anything meaningful to enact change to slow it down drastically.

 

[aintforever]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ideal place as long as it’s not near where you live right?

I don’t live anywhere near an old military barracks so yes.

Obviously no one wants an immigration detention centre in their back yard, just like no one wants new housing developments on their local area yet they still demand the government build more social housing.

[Turkish]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

There's no denying that many people look at the men amongst brown asylum seekers and fear/assume rapist. That's an unfortunate fact. 

Where asylum seekers are accommodated needs discussion. You're complaining about a detention centre, but won't say what's preferred. 

Where do they get accommodated whilst here pending being processed? 

 

I was pointing out, rightly, as you confirmed, no one wants 1500 male asylum seekers dumped on their doorstep. No one knows what to do with them, no one has a better solution, no one wants them near them but If anyone says anything against it then they’ve got a problem with brown people coming here 😂

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

I don’t live anywhere near an old military barracks so yes.

Obviously no one wants an immigration detention centre in their back yard, just like no one wants new housing developments on their local area yet they still demand the government build more social housing.

So it doesn’t effect you which is why you think it’s a good idea 😂😂

 

[egg]

37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

More, probably vastly more, see the influx as a visual indicator of the rapid decline of the country. Completely toothless to do anything meaningful to enact change to slow it down drastically.

 

We can't stop people (well about half) wanting to leave war zones, or getting on a boat in a foreign country. No party can solve that.

What we have to do is make us less attractive to those people, but this discussion is about the narrow point of where those people are accommodated while they're here. 

It's a blunt choice between Hotels, HMO's, detention centres, fields/woods/streets, shanty towns.

People with an opinion on this issue should be able to express a preference, and explain why. 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by egg

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

I was pointing out, rightly, as you confirmed, no one wants 1500 male asylum seekers dumped on their doorstep. No one knows what to do with them, no one has a better solution, no one wants them near them but If anyone says anything against it then they’ve got a problem with brown people coming here 😂

No different to mixed housing being built at scale right behind our Gloucestershire Cotswold stone town. Locals hated it, still hate it, but planners forced it through anyway with consummate ease. Yet when we wanted to replace our extension - no new footprint, the planners put us through a year of hell before approval. And then building control forced changes to the foundations last week which will cost thousands more.

See, we can all claim the two tier thing and not a brown person in sight.

At the end of the day, we don’t have the ability to grease palms or produce brown envelopes. We’re local residents working with a small, high quality local builder. 

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So it doesn’t effect you which is why you think it’s a good idea 😂😂

 

You will get nimbyism wherever they are housed. 

I would rather have a detention centre than a fucking gravel pit which is what we are getting in Hamble. That doesn’t mean I am anti-gravel BTW. 😂

 

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I was pointing out, rightly, as you confirmed, no one wants 1500 male asylum seekers dumped on their doorstep. No one knows what to do with them, no one has a better solution, no one wants them near them but If anyone says anything against it then they’ve got a problem with brown people coming here 😂

The best choice is detention centres. Basic needs provided for. What's obvious though is that people nearby won't like it. 

And yep, lots of people have an issue with brown people arriving. 

 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So it doesn’t effect you which is why you think it’s a good idea 😂😂

 

It's probably because there isn't a better idea. You haven't come up with one, so you presumably agree it's the least worst option. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You will get nimbyism wherever they are housed. 

I would rather have a detention centre than a fucking gravel pit which is what we are getting in Hamble. That doesn’t mean I am anti-gravel BTW. 😂

 

You horrible gravelist cunt. 

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You will get nimbyism wherever they are housed. 

I would rather have a detention centre than a fucking gravel pit which is what we are getting in Hamble. That doesn’t mean I am anti-gravel BTW. 😂

 

That’s been going on for years, decades even relating to the former airfield. My parents lived in Butlocks Heath/Netley for 25 years. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Challenger said:

Is there one on St Kilda ?

Rockall would be more suitable. 

[Whitey Grandad]

19 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You will get nimbyism wherever they are housed. 

I would rather have a detention centre than a fucking gravel pit which is what we are getting in Hamble. That doesn’t mean I am anti-gravel BTW. 😂

 

I am so relieved that I closed my business in Hamble and don't have to travel there any more.

Local democracy overridden by corporate greed.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

No different to mixed housing being built at scale right behind our Gloucestershire Cotswold stone town. Locals hated it, still hate it, but planners forced it through anyway with consummate ease. Yet when we wanted to replace our extension - no new footprint, the planners put us through a year of hell before approval. And then building control forced changes to the foundations last week which will cost thousands more.

See, we can all claim the two tier thing and not a brown person in sight.

At the end of the day, we don’t have the ability to grease palms or produce brown envelopes. We’re local residents working with a small, high quality local builder. 

There is a big difference between a new housing estate being built and 1500 immigrants being dumped in the middle of nowhere where!

[Gloucester Saint]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

There is a big difference between a new housing estate being built and 1500 immigrants being dumped in the middle of nowhere where!

To you or I, yes, but the locals around here would not have a bar of that. The incendiary aspect is the modest amount of social housing (in amongst houses costing up towards £1m - affordability for families who have always lived here is as big an issue here as Devon or Cornwall).

Also, the fact it’s in the middle of nowhere and far more basic means it has some deterrent built in for the asylum seekers who are coming for economic reasons. If you’re genuinely escaping persecution, the peace and quiet wont bother you. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Weston Super Saint]

@Turkish - Was it a great day out with the family  

 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

@Turkish - Was it a great day out with the family  

 

fantastic day showing how much I care! Together with likeminded people we showed them what we want 

They missed my sign though sadly