Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He'd have scored 22 League goals based on his current rate. DMG has 5 from open play. I just thought I'd point that out incase it had eluded Mark or Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Yep, DMG is utter sh*t! Tell us something we don't know. He's a 1st division player. Maybe that's why we keep him. Contingency. There must be some clause as no-one in their right mind would continue to start with him on his OWN! WTF?! You think they'd recall at least some of our attacking options with so much at stake. CRAZY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He'd have scored 22 League goals based on his current rate. DMG has 5 from open play. I just thought I'd point that out incase it had eluded Mark or Rupert. Or about a third of the regular posters on this site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 But he didn't play did he? Infact what he did do was go to Aalborg and do **** all instead. Bit like what he did for us last season. No idea where he has got this hero status from. Just because he's not been playing while we have been playing **** doesn't mean he is the answer to our problem and is suddenly a world beater. That said, fair play to the lad he's come back and scored a couple. Must start on Saturday but imo with McGoldrick behind him not instead of him. McGoldrick is our top scorer and if any team struggling drops there top goalscorer its madness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 We love slating our strikers here don't we? He's our top scorer, and without him - We'd be a lot worse off. BTW - Merrington said on commentary how good he was a defending corners tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Yep, DMG is utter sh*t! Tell us something we don't know. He's a 1st division player. Maybe that's why we keep him. Contingency. There must be some clause as no-one in their right mind would continue to start with him on his OWN! WTF?! You think they'd recall at least some of our attacking options with so much at stake. CRAZY! According to solent he worked very hard today and was tracking back to defend all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 What did Lallana do tonight Perhaps Saga should have played instead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He'd have scored 22 League goals based on his current rate. DMG has 5 from open play. I just thought I'd point that out incase it had eluded Mark or Rupert. Yes football is that simplistic isn't it? Please remind me how many Sagga scored last season? I agree Sagga should be starting but dressing up your argument with non facts is pretty desperate and a rather sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Yes football is that simplistic isn't it? Please remind me how many Sagga scored last season? I agree Sagga should be starting but dressing up your argument with non facts is pretty desperate and a rather sad. As is your deliberate selectivity over facts. Burley shat all over him last season, just like he did to Rasiak in the middle of the previous season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 But he didn't play did he? Infact what he did do was go to Aalborg and do **** all instead. Bit like what he did for us last season. No idea where he has got this hero status from. Just because he's not been playing while we have been playing **** doesn't mean he is the answer to our problem and is suddenly a world beater. That said, fair play to the lad he's come back and scored a couple. Must start on Saturday but imo with McGoldrick behind him not instead of him. McGoldrick is our top scorer and if any team struggling drops there top goalscorer its madness! Beside him 4-4-2 FFS, hasn't anyone learnt. Tonight Saganowski + 4-4-2 got us a point. The first half team selection was amateurish. Skacel not even in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Assuming Saganowski is here after January, what are the odds that he scores more league goals than McGoldrick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Get shot of McGoal***** and play Saga and BWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 What did Lallana do tonight Perhaps Saga should have played instead of him At present, Lallana is a lightweight, waste of space and certainly doesn't rate a place at the moment. We need to fight our way out of this. Give McGoldrick and Saganowski a go. Play Skacel wide left, Holmes looks like he is out for a while, if he is fit play him on the right, Schneiderlin and Euell midfield, bring in Surman at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Assuming Saganowski is here after January, what are the odds that he scores more league goals than McGoldrick? Always said that Marek knows where the goal is. Give him the service and he delivers. Last season he got zero. Thankfully, then Stern John also hadn't forgotten, and he was getting any service when it eventually appeared. Which was rare enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2009 But he didn't play did he? Infact what he did do was go to Aalborg and do **** all instead. Bit like what he did for us last season. No idea where he has got this hero status from. Just because he's not been playing while we have been playing **** doesn't mean he is the answer to our problem and is suddenly a world beater. That said, fair play to the lad he's come back and scored a couple. Must start on Saturday but imo with McGoldrick behind him not instead of him. McGoldrick is our top scorer and if any team struggling drops there top goalscorer its madness! I think that should read, "was SENT to Aalborg and scored several goals including one in the Champions League and generally gave Rio Ferdinand something to think about against Man Utd." We love slating our strikers here don't we? He's our top scorer, and without him - We'd be a lot worse off. BTW - Merrington said on commentary how good he was a defending corners tonight. Without him we'd be a lot worse off... that's based on the assumption that he would be replaced by nobody at all and we'd actually just play the 28 FULL league games he's played in with 10 men. I don't care how good he is at defending corners. (Not the first trait I look for in a striker by any stretch of the imagination) His scoring record is terrible. On par with Saga last season. The difference is that was last season. This season Saga has 2 in 2 1/2 games and we've had clean sheets in 2 of the 3 appearances he's made. Assuming Saganowski is here after January, what are the odds that he scores more league goals than McGoldrick? 3 more from open play. Doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Get shot of McGoal***** and play Saga and BWP Has BWP now learnt the offside rule to be able to play up front? Seriously I think Saga & DMG together might be able to put a run of goals together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Has BWP now learnt the offside rule to be able to play up front? Seriously I think Saga & DMG together might be able to put a run of goals together. Fair point about the offiside... As for McGoldrick..sorry he is just s h i t e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Assuming Saganowski is here after January, what are the odds that he scores more league goals than McGoldrick? Since he's already played for two clubs this season I don't think he can be transfered anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 But McG is cheaper silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Sagas problem last season was Burleys moronic mis-man-management,like that with Raziak and Skacel the season before,as Alpine points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 As is your deliberate selectivity over facts. Burley shat all over him last season, just like he did to Rasiak in the middle of the previous season GB brought him here and offered him a contract based on how good he proved to be. the following season he was arse and eventually got dropped or played in other positions. I wouldnt have said that GB shat all over him based on that. Personally I would still play him ahead of McGoaldrick but he was hardly prolific last season and wasnt that prolific when he went out on loan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Since he's already played for two clubs this season I don't think he can be transfered anymore. I suggested that at the start of January but someone suggested that the league rules say you cant play for more than 2 English clubs in a season so that Loan might not count. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2009 GB brought him here and offered him a contract based on how good he proved to be. the following season he was arse and eventually got dropped or played in other positions. I wouldnt have said that GB shat all over him based on that. Personally I would still play him ahead of McGoaldrick but he was hardly prolific last season and wasnt that prolific when he went out on loan either. He scored 3 in his first 3 starts, then was dropped. I wish DMG was that a*se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He scored 3 in his first 3 starts, then was dropped. I wish DMG was that a*se. Was that last season? If so i stand corrected but I wasnt trying to amke a scape goat of him when GB noshed up most of our season. Was just pointing out what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Everyone knows that Saga is a more acomplished all round player than DMcG at the moment. I do object to projections like this though. McG scored four in our first four competitive games; or two in our first three legaue games if you prefer. That would have given him at least 22 goals by now. But it didn't. But it is about as useful to know as what Saga would have scored had he played in other matches that he didn't play in but had achieved the same results as he achieved in the matches he did play in. Utterly pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 (edited) According to solent he worked very hard today and was tracking back to defend all the time Well, that's a first. I'd have to take Merrington's word for it. TBF, if we had to play him (let's be honest, we've f*ck all other strikers available!), I'd play him in the hole, behind the front TWO. Errrr, do we have 2 strikers to play in front of him? Has Patterson's ban finished? and Euell is hardly a striker. Forgot BWP - Why do we not play him? Errr, ok. He is dog sh*t but what other attacking options have we got? Edited 27 January, 2009 by Gordon Mockles Forgot Bradley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Everyone knows that Saga is a more acomplished all round player than DMcG at the moment. I do object to projections like this though. McG scored four in our first four competitive games; or two in our first three legaue games if you prefer. That would have given him at least 22 goals by now. But it didn't. But it is about as useful to know as what Saga would have scored had he played in other matches that he didn't play in but had achieved the same results as he achieved in the matches he did play in. Utterly pointless. Agree. When on form Saga is the best striker we have. When hes off form, and thats most of the time, hes not worth having in the team. Who knows which one will turn up on the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2009 Agree. When on form Saga is the best striker we have. When hes off form, and thats most of the time, hes not worth having in the team. Who knows which one will turn up on the night. That's just bull. Last season John couldn't score without Saga in the team and we never lost a game Saga started under Pearson. To say he is not worth having in the team is bull. Anyway, if we're going to start dragging in players performances from last season... which was DMG's best goal last year in your oppinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 That's just bull. Last season John couldn't score without Saga in the team and we never lost a game Saga started under Pearson. To say he is not worth having in the team is bull. Anyway, if we're going to start dragging in players performances from last season... which was DMG's best goal last year in your oppinion? Im not a fan of DM either TBH. I'm not really knocking Saga, he just frustrates me. If someone could coach consistency into him he has the ability to be a very, very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He'd have scored 22 League goals based on his current rate. DMG has 5 from open play. I just thought I'd point that out incase it had eluded Mark or Rupert. I agree DMG is utter crud but if you extrapolated the goal/game ration from the same number of starts at the start of DMG's season the story would be slightly different. Your statistic proves nothing mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 January, 2009 I agree DMG is utter crud but if you extrapolated the goal/game ration from the same number of starts at the start of DMG's season the story would be slightly different. Your statistic proves nothing mate. DMG scored on the first day, then failed to score in the next 9 league games. He got 2 in his opening 15. I know it's hardly conclusive, but to play DMG ahead of Saga after tonight would be lunacy IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 He scored 3 goals in the first 2 games of the season. Although, like I said, DMG is shocking and Saga should start every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 January, 2009 Share Posted 27 January, 2009 DMG scored on the first day, then failed to score in the next 9 league games. He got 2 in his opening 15. I know it's hardly conclusive, but to play DMG ahead of Saga after tonight would be lunacy IMO. I totally agree. Saga did not get a proper consistent run last season and the stats prove that Stern scored a lot more when Saga played alongside him. He is vastly better than DMG in my opinion and I was amazed that he did not start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He scored 3 goals in the first 2 games of the season. Although, like I said, DMG is shocking and Saga should start every game. League games. Saga has never had the luxury of 90 mins against a bunch of part time plumbers to bolster his tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 League games. Saga has never had the luxury of 90 mins against a bunch of part time plumbers to bolster his tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He speaks sense though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 If speaking sense means pointless and meaningless extrapolation of a goal tally over 3 games to a whole season, oh, but only if you cherry pick the games. Aside from that I agree 100%. McGoldrick is sh*t and Saganowski is an infinitely better player who should have started last night and should never have been loaned out in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 the answer is simple..play 2 up front..mcgoldrick and saga! worked last night in the 2nd half and they played well together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeleye Saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Agree. When on form Saga is the best striker we have. When hes off form, and thats most of the time, hes not worth having in the team. Who knows which one will turn up on the night. That really isn't fair on him - when he first came here he was brilliant and scored for fun - GB messed him around last year for whatever reason, and he wasn't a regular in the side. Strikers need a run in the team and he didn't get one. Saga is an experienced international for Christ's sake and MUST be preferred to any of the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 (edited) "If Saga had played instead of Pekhart, Robertson and Paterson" That would be a better thread. With McGoldrick and Saga both playing together from the start of the season we would be in a far healthier situation IMO. Edited 28 January, 2009 by Andy_Porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I have questioned Saganowski's ability to score regularly enough to make much difference but 2 goals from the last 3 games is a good return for any striker - keep it up Saga and I'll happily eat my words . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I somehow get the impression that Saga needs to get his ass kicked on a fairly regular basis otherwise he drops into a sort of semi-robotic humdrum. Just an impression mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Did you know that if Aston Villa signed Heskey in the summer instead of the transfer window he would have scored 23 goals already and would go on to score 38 over the course of the season? Did you also know that if Ian Pearce has stayed at Saints longer than one game we would have never lost a game with him in the team? I can't believe how some people moan about the formation and the tactics Jan employed this season but are quite prepared to reach conclusions on individual player's contributions to the team over the same time. Mcgoldrick has been playing either on his own up front or out wide all season, if Saga had been doing the same he wouldn't be averaging two goals every three games. Both strikers are suited to playing with another guy up front. Stick them both in the team for a few games and see how they get on. Also, I know some people don't like the I'm a better fan than you ****ing contests which inevitably develop when one mentions match attendance, but how can someone living in another country listening to games on the radio and watching highlights make proper judgments on a player? Although he didn't score Mcgoldrick played really, really well last night. I haven't seen the lazy shirker others talk about when I'm watching him. Slagging him off is apparently in vogue but criticising Lallana is deemed inappropriate because he is a player with a lot of potential. I would put a lot of money on Mcgoldrick going onto become a better player than Lallana or indeed Andrew Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 January, 2009 33 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slickmick Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 But he didn't play did he? Infact what he did do was go to Aalborg and do **** all instead. Bit like what he did for us last season. No idea where he has got this hero status from. Just because he's not been playing while we have been playing **** doesn't mean he is the answer to our problem and is suddenly a world beater. That said, fair play to the lad he's come back and scored a couple. Must start on Saturday but imo with McGoldrick behind him not instead of him. McGoldrick is our top scorer and if any team struggling drops there top goalscorer its madness! The reason we are struggling is because we haven't dropped him, Can't you see that now. Kelvin Davis would be our top scorer if he was our only striker that played all season. Saga is showing what he would have done if Burley hadn't ****ed him about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 The reason we are struggling is because we haven't dropped him, Can't you see that now. Agreed. Persisting with McGoldrick will be what sends us down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Saga may not be a world beater, but he is fcking miles ahead of what we have had this season. His finishing today was something we have not seen all season. Any fool can cut costs, but the visionary ones are those that believe in people and build things around them. What a false economy it has proven to be shipping out all our proven strikers. He/they may cost us money, but there is a payback associated with quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springhill Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 Apart from Saga's 2 great goals the best moment of the game for me was to actually see McGoldrick substituted......well done Mr Wotte...hope you don't get a bollocking from Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 31 January, 2009 Share Posted 31 January, 2009 4 in 4 for Saga 7 in 30 McGoldsh*t If we hadn't wasted half a season with that lazy tw*t up front and not loaned out Saga we'd probably be out of the drop zone at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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