The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[east-stand-nic]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

This is the same nutty nic who claims that he is not a conspiracy theorist.

😜

Here he is, back and doing the same old boring shite. Racist old fool. 

[CB Fry]

46 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Still obsessed with your superiors I see. Come on, man up. Get out doors and make something of yourself. 

You're the one shitting himself about imminent martial law.

You brave enough to go outdoors today, little man?

[whelk]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Still obsessed with your superiors I see. Come on, man up. Get out doors and make something of yourself. 

I see through your pretence of having superiority complex but you need to accept my life is better than yours on every conceivable metric. Of course I shouldn’t stereotype blokes that live in Thailand who now find they can actually get a woman.

 

[hypochondriac]

In light of this new Afghanistan debacle-largely caused by the truly despicable tories it must be said- good to see we have a government ushering in a transparency revolution. 

[east-stand-nic]

22 hours ago, whelk said:

I see through your pretence of having superiority complex but you need to accept my life is better than yours on every conceivable metric. Of course I shouldn’t stereotype blokes that live in Thailand who now find they can actually get a woman.

 

I know I have beaten you senseless when you start with the silly stereotype stuff. You have no other comeback as all of the points I raised are entirely correct. I wonder ....shall I stereotype about man who lives in the UK, too afraid to go out and see the world? Grow a pair and debate points raised you dumb fuck. 

Edited July 16 by east-stand-nic

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

you dumb fuck

Ooh hit a nerve did I? 
I imagine you being one of these travel dickheads I overhear from time to time making such an effort to disassociate themselves from tourists and banging on about how they have seen the real blah blah blah.
You couldn’t pay me enough to live in Thailand. Those sad ugly western faces pretending they have it all when they are the most empty of people. Ho hum another shitty day in paradise

Edited July 16 by whelk

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Ooh hit a nerve did I? 
I imagine you being one of these travel dickheads I overhear from time to time making such an effort to disassociate themselves from tourists and banging on about how they have seen the real blah blah blah.
You couldn’t pay me enough to live in Thailand. Those sad ugly western faces pretending they have it all when they are the most empty of people. Ho hum another shitty day in paradise

Your jealousy shines through. 

[benjii]

[sadoldgit]

On 15/07/2025 at 06:32, east-stand-nic said:

Here he is, back and doing the same old boring shite. Racist old fool. 

Pot

Kettle

Black

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Pot

Kettle

Of colour

Fixed it for you...

[Mixedkebab]

On 09/07/2025 at 20:55, rallyboy said:

Tories had the right idea, talk tough, look strong, refuse compromise, repeat hollow soundbites, offer nothing, preside over chaos - and definitely don't plan anything in the budget for the inevitable agreement.

 

Look out, it’s early 1980’s politics man! Rick from the Young Ones.

[Tamesaint]

On 14/07/2025 at 15:41, whelk said:

Mad woman should be kicked from the party - need to join Corbyn’s mob

Lost the whip now. 

[Weston Super Saint]

50 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Lost the whip now. 

Still look determined to get rid of the stonking majority before the next election.

What's wrong with these morons?  They finally get the job they've been working their adult lives for and fuck it up.

[whelk]

3 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Lost the whip now. 

TBF she doesn’t sound too unreasonable in her response to it

https://news.sky.com/video/share-13397574

[benjii]

"You go to women? Do not forget the whip!"

Thus Spoke Zarathustra, F. Nietzsche

[sockeye]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

TBF she doesn’t sound too unreasonable in her response to it

https://news.sky.com/video/share-13397574

thing is you can't fix '14 years of broken public services and an economy in tatters' by spending so much money just for people to tread water. I empathise with her position but tough decisions need to be made and Starmer u-turning to appease the ideals of those like her is not productive 

[whelk]

6 hours ago, sockeye said:

thing is you can't fix '14 years of broken public services and an economy in tatters' by spending so much money just for people to tread water. I empathise with her position but tough decisions need to be made and Starmer u-turning to appease the ideals of those like her is not productive 

Totally agree. Point I was making was that she didn’t sound like crazy bitter leftwing revolutionary and seemed to take the whip removal with good grace. Expect it will be reinstated 

[John B]

8 hours ago, sockeye said:

thing is you can't fix '14 years of broken public services and an economy in tatters' by spending so much money just for people to tread water. I empathise with her position but tough decisions need to be made and Starmer u-turning to appease the ideals of those like her is not productive 

But you do not fix things that have been caused by neoliberal economics by doing the same thing as the Tories did

We were promised change but as yet nothing has materialised saying you are not going to raise certain taxes is economically illeterate

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, John B said:

But you do not fix things that have been caused by neoliberal economics by doing the same thing as the Tories did

We were promised change but as yet nothing has materialised saying you are not going to raise certain taxes is economically illeterate

 

That's it - I voted for change. I wanted higher taxes, a wealth tax, a switch to renewable energy, more (council) house building, a more synergised planning, green energy and building regs system, nationalisation of utilities, and frankly, some fucking joined up thinking.

It seems we don't have that.

[badgerx16]

The voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the next General Election.

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the next General Election.

Letting ‘kids’ vote

decent 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the next General Election.

Nic will be delighted. 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the next General Election.

In readiness for the launch of the new ceebebies party.

[Picard]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The voting age is to be lowered to 16 by the next General Election.

I presume Labour have done the calculations and found it will benefit them!

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Letting ‘kids’ vote

decent 

this generation cant even decide what sex they are how can they be trusted to vote

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Nic will be delighted. 

Doesn't effect me. But it is a clear plan by labour to help them win elections as everyone knows young people are idiots and vote idealistic. It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Doesn't effect me. But it is a clear plan by labour to help them win elections as everyone knows young people are idiots and vote idealistic. It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

I was thinking more about your Thai bride. 

[east-stand-nic]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I was thinking more about your Thai bride. 

Ah i see....another jealous bitter pedo getting off on imaging young Thai girls. Sick. 

[badgerx16]

58 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

She started off Conservative, got a bit too Liberal, and ended up in Labour.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

this generation cant even decide what sex they are how can they be trusted to vote

Very droll 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Doesn't effect me. But it is a clear plan by labour to help them win elections as everyone knows young people are idiots and vote idealistic. It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

People who confuse "affect" and "effect".

 

Oh, sorry, wrong thread.

[egg]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Doesn't effect me. But it is a clear plan by labour to help them win elections as everyone knows young people are idiots and vote idealistic. It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

Or start earning more and vote in the interests of your own pocket. 

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, egg said:

Or start earning more and vote in the interests of your own pocket. 

Altruism is dead.

[Farmer Saint]

39 minutes ago, egg said:

Or start earning more and vote in the interests of your own pocket. 

 

[whelk]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Ah i see....another jealous bitter pedo getting off on imaging young Thai girls. Sick. 

I imagine your whole sad social group is pedos and sex tourists. Oh no it’s the culture that enticed you there Gary

[whelk]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Doesn't effect me. But it is a clear plan by labour to help them win elections as everyone knows young people are idiots and vote idealistic. It's only when you live life and grow up you learn the truth of politics.

You can’t handle the truth 

[trousers]

17 hours ago, Turkish said:

this generation cant even decide what sex they are how can they be trusted to vote

I disagree... The future is safe in their hands....

Oh... Ah....

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:11 by trousers

[sockeye]

22 hours ago, trousers said:

I disagree... The future is safe in their hands....

Oh... Ah....

 

 

They may be disappointed to hear that only those in Islington North can vote for him.

[Farmer Saint]

23 hours ago, trousers said:

I disagree... The future is safe in their hands....

Oh... Ah....

 

 

I wasn't a fan at the time (mainly due to his Brexit stance), but looking back...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39933116

 

Edited Saturday at 07:47 by Farmer Saint

[trousers]

43 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I wasn't a fan at the time (mainly due to his Brexit stance), but looking back...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39933116

 

Reading that, you can see why some might say* that's why 'Corbynism' is most popular amongst the 'wanting something for nothing' generation.... 

(* Obviously, I wouldn't say that )

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, trousers said:

Reading that, you can see why some might say* that's why 'Corbynism' is most popular amongst the 'wanting something for nothing' generation.... 

(* Obviously, I wouldn't say that )

Honestly, I'd vote for that manifesto now.

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Honestly, I'd vote for that manifesto now.

I think we'd all vote for utopia if there was evidence that it worked...

[whelk]

31 minutes ago, trousers said:

I think we'd all vote for utopia if there was evidence that it worked...

Did you miss the tax rise bit?

[The Kraken]

55 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Honestly, I'd vote for that manifesto now.

Take Corbyn the personality out of the question and read his manifesto, a lot of the policies within it were very attractive. However it quickly became apparent that, while there were plenty of good ideas (and some bad ones), the chances of them actually coming to being were questionable. Basically one couldn’t be sure at all if the finances stacked up. Throw in Corbyn the man, popular to some but a massive turn off to a large majority of others. Then add in his blundering performances such as on Andrew Neill where he got absolutely eviscerated over finance, particularly how he would fund WASPI (wasn’t in the manifesto, wasn’t costed in budgets, but Corbyn said he’d find the money).  The manifesto wasn’t the main problem, it was the ability to deliver it than undid him for many.

[Farmer Saint]

...

Edited Saturday at 09:47 by Farmer Saint

[egg]

29 minutes ago, whelk said:

Did you miss the tax rise bit?

Many of us would swallow that, and would expect those who could/should to do so. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I think we'd all vote for utopia if there was evidence that it worked...

Well, the policies of the last 20 years haven't worked either...

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Many of us would swallow that, and would expect those who could/should to do so. 

I think he's commenting on the utopia part - from what I have gathered Whelk would probably be in favour of tax rises.

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think he's commenting on the utopia part - from what I have gathered Whelk would probably be in favour of tax rises.

Yep, Trousers implying utopia with no costs. Although to be clear was no fan of Corbyn

[trousers]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Well, the policies of the last 20 years haven't worked either...

Indeed. Every political and/or economic philosophy has flaws, as far as someone with my limited intellect can tell. Which is why, as a fence sitter, you'll never find me dogmatically advocating a particular philosophy one way or the other... 

Edited Saturday at 10:06 by trousers