Solving the Immigration Problem

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

In which case we're not gaining anything at all, just continue as we are now.

I think a basic amenities detention centre, people living god knows how many to a room, is less appealing than a house or hotel. But yep, it's a variation on a theme. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

They have more nuclear weapons than us.

They do surrender quite easily though....

[iansums]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

I think a basic amenities detention centre, people living god knows how many to a room, is less appealing than a house or hotel. But yep, it's a variation on a theme. 

Basic, but decorated, a bit like an IRA cell.

[Weston Super Saint]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

I think a basic amenities detention centre, people living god knows how many to a room, is less appealing than a house or hotel. But yep, it's a variation on a theme. 

And on the Isle of Wight.

[iansums]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Same place. Just give the men some pamphlets on how to behave 

I don’t agree with a lot of what Os posts, but this was very funny.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And on the Isle of Wight.

Back to the 50's.

[Challenger]

Well both Tory and Labour governments have demonstrated that they are incapable of solving this problem.

Every suggestion on here has been rounded on and trashed so it looks like we all have to suck it up and carry on splashing the cash . 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

I do think something like the Rwanda scheme was a good idea too. 
 

What they tried to do failed, but just yeeting them somewhere else is something I’d like. Basically anywhere that they wouldn’t be endangering British communities. 
 

That was also slow them down as they realise they won’t be allowed avoid the gravy train 

But that was for 300 people only, and cost £600m. For 30k people that would cost £60bn.

[Farmer Saint]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

They do surrender quite easily though....

Badum tsccchhh...

[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Well both Tory and Labour governments have demonstrated that they are incapable of solving this problem.

Every suggestion on here has been rounded on and trashed so it looks like we all have to suck it up and carry on splashing the cash . 

Nope, I have solutions.

1. Reopen applications from abroad, and pass a law that anyone that comes across illegally is removed to country of origin irrespective of refugee status.

2. Rejoin the EU and take everything that comes with that, including the Euro and free movement of people if need be, and then ensure that we continue what we did before in removing using the Dublin agreement.

3. Start funding education in the countries that are the biggest issues, as well as tackling global inequality that pushed economic migrants towards Europe.

Other solutions are just sticking plasters.

Edited 23 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Winnersaint]

Twitter has been a little more strange than normal  today. Its almost if they're willing something to happen. Bat shit crazy doesn't even go close to describing some of the shit posted from the doxxing of RNLI crew to the threats of retribution to those regarded as traitors. Think I prefer the pre social media days when the odd loony would sit alone in the bedroom of their mum's house and ponder these things on their own.

[Winnersaint]

56 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

2. Rejoin the EU and take everything that comes with that, including the Euro and free movement of people if need be, and then ensure that we continue what we did before in removing using the Dublin agreement.

3. Start funding education in the countries that are the biggest issues, as well as tackling global inequality that pushed economic migrants towards Europe.

Other solutions are just sticking plasters.

You're not wrong. 2 is unfortunately unlikely to happen in my lifetime and 3 revolves around overseas aid. Both too politically toxic for any party to run with.

Edited 22 hours ago by Winnersaint
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[Osvaldorama]

23 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

You're not wrong. 2 is unfortunately unlikely to happen in my lifetime and 3 revolves around overseas aid. Both too politically toxic for any party to run with.

And thank God, because both ideas are absolutely terrible 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

And thank God, because both ideas are absolutely terrible 

They are workable solutions - you are yet to come up with one. 

If you want to stop the boats, this is the kind of thinking you have to adopt. You have to deal with the causes otherwise it will never stop.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Nope, I have solutions.

1. Reopen applications from abroad, and pass a law that anyone that comes across illegally is removed to country of origin irrespective of refugee status.

 

How do you know where their country of origin is if the passport is dumped in the channel?

[Osvaldorama]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

They are workable solutions - you are yet to come up with one. 

If you want to stop the boats, this is the kind of thinking you have to adopt. You have to deal with the causes otherwise it will never stop.

That’s not true, your liberal lefty world view isn’t the only path forward and it’s still boring to hear people talking about Brexit 

[aintforever]

11 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

That’s not true, your liberal lefty world view isn’t the only path forward and it’s still boring to hear people talking about Brexit 

It’s kind of important though, if we were in the EU we wouldn’t have this problem with small boats that you are so terrified of.

The only way to stop the boats would be to go back in the EU or have an arrangement with France similar to the Dublin agreement. For that to happen I expect we would have to accept a certain amount of genuine asylum seekers from the EU. There is no cheap and easy fix to this issue. At least Labour seem to be doing a better job than the Conservatives ever did - remember it was a Conservative government that started this problem.

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

How do you know where their country of origin is if the passport is dumped in the channel?

They have to give a country of origin that gets verified with their home country, but it's more that it is a deterrent as they will not be granted asylum irrespective of this.

Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

26 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

That’s not true, your liberal lefty world view isn’t the only path forward and it’s still boring to hear people talking about Brexit 

We're open to hear your ideas, but as ever you are yet to come up with anything mildly workable. This is the problem with low IQ people, they can't do logic, process and detail.

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It’s kind of important though, if we were in the EU we wouldn’t have this problem with small boats that you are so terrified of.

The only way to stop the boats would be to go back in the EU or have an arrangement with France similar to the Dublin agreement. For that to happen I expect we would have to accept a certain amount of genuine asylum seekers from the EU. There is no cheap and easy fix to this issue. At least Labour seem to be doing a better job than the Conservatives ever did - remember it was a Conservative government that started this problem.

The Reform leader started it, the Tories continued it. Amazing how the right have caused, exacerbated and prolonged the issue.

[Osvaldorama]

24 minutes ago, aintforever said:

It’s kind of important though, if we were in the EU we wouldn’t have this problem with small boats that you are so terrified of.

The only way to stop the boats would be to go back in the EU or have an arrangement with France similar to the Dublin agreement. For that to happen I expect we would have to accept a certain amount of genuine asylum seekers from the EU. There is no cheap and easy fix to this issue. At least Labour seem to be doing a better job than the Conservatives ever did - remember it was a Conservative government that started this problem.

I don’t accept that the EU can blackmail us into accepting criminals into our country. I don’t accept that re-joining that Marxist organisation will improve things. 
 

There has to be a better way, it just requires strong leadership and better decision making. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

I don’t accept that the EU can blackmail us into accepting criminals into our country. 
 

There has to be a better way, it just requires strong leadership and better decision making. 

Just because you don't accept it, it doesn't make it so. The French and Germans take in far more every year than we do.

Edited 20 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Osvaldorama]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Just because you don't accept it, it doesn't make it so.

 

Luckily the majority of the country agreed with leaving, so you’ll have to just suck it up. Can’t believe people are still whining about it tbh 

Edited 20 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

They have to give a country of origin that gets verified with their home country, but it's more that it is a deterrent as they will not be granted asylum irrespective of this.

And they would never lie! Not those good honest people who just happened to find themselves entering the country illegally! No sir, not them.

Imagine when they all say they've come from America. We can just send them packing and they're Donny's problem!

[aintforever]

15 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Luckily the majority of the country agreed with leaving, so you’ll have to just suck it up. Can’t believe people are still whining about it tbh 

You’re the one moaning like a bitch over one of the consequences.

[skintsaint]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Germans take in far more every year than we do.

Seems they have had enough of deteriorating living standards, given the latest election news out of there.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And they would never lie! Not those good honest people who just happened to find themselves entering the country illegally! No sir, not them.

Imagine when they all say they've come from America. We can just send them packing and they're Donny's problem!

That's where the confirmation with their countries come in - this is what takes the time at the moment with applications, it's verifying they are who they say they are. However, the point is, and I'll repeat it, that they cannot claim asylum here, so it's irrelevant, they will never be allowed to stay, and they will stay in detention until they return. It's the deterrent that is needed.

[Farmer Saint]

21 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Luckily the majority of the country agreed with leaving, so you’ll have to just suck it up. Can’t believe people are still whining about it tbh 

What does my last point have to do with Brexit?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

Luckily the majority of the country agreed with leaving, 

17,410,742 voted Leave, out of 46,500,001 registered voters.

Given the propaganda we were served up we apparently regained control of our borders. Feel duped ?

 

Edited 19 hours ago by badgerx16

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Capsize a few boats, trace back the gangs to their origin countries, take them out. Use drones for the job.

Go on a social media blitz showing the UK to be a mean motherf**Ker in regards to illegal immigrants.

Make out that the EU is better.

Go hard, they go home.

Edited 9 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

That's where the confirmation with their countries come in - this is what takes the time at the moment with applications, it's verifying they are who they say they are. However, the point is, and I'll repeat it, that they cannot claim asylum here, so it's irrelevant, they will never be allowed to stay, and they will stay in detention until they return. It's the deterrent that is needed.

The overwhelming majority can't claim asylum right now.  Doesn't stop them coming and trying though.

[Guided Missile]

On 03/08/2024 at 09:42, Guided Missile said:

Thank you for your polite and thoughtful post. Without the support of the majority of the people living here, we have no chance of solving the immigration issues facing us and Starmer, with a mandate of 32%, has recently made that eventuality impossible, with his disgraceful speech blaming the far right. The solution is simple to me.  Leave the ECHR, and also adopt a pure jus sanguinis approach to citizenship that prevents the automatic right to the children of immigrants to this priceless benefit, just because their mother gets pregnant in our country. This way, we can deport any immigrant or child of an immigrant, IF they commit a serious crime, after they've done the time. This policy is not uncommon and as you can see from the list of countries, there are many socialist states, such as Norway, that have this policy.

This won't happen though. Too many pearl clutching, champagne swilling socialists, with their sticky fingers on the levers of power appealing to the unelected pressure groups and MSM.

Just a minor point. Anyone seeing the police getting the shit kicked out of them at Madchester Airport, a partial and unrepresentative video of which caused the recent Leeds riots, might ask themselves how immigrants fleeing an unsafe country get to fly back from them, after their holidays in these "unsafe" countries. 

Mate, we are getting taken for mugs.

On my infrequent visits to this site, I thought, after the Southampton/Portsmouth riots (I've seen/participated in, more "thuggish" violence at the derby games, back in the day) that it was worth taking a stroll down memory lane. Things don't seem to have moved on much, following the above post of mine, apart from the country being closer to a civil war than ever. Pick your side, ladies and don't say you weren't warned.

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

On my infrequent visits to this site, I thought, after the Southampton/Portsmouth riots (I've seen/participated in, more "thuggish" violence at the derby games, back in the day) that it was worth taking a stroll down memory lane. Things don't seem to have moved on much, following the above post of mine, apart from the country being closer to a civil war than ever. Pick your side, ladies and don't say you weren't warned.

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

On my infrequent visits to this site, I thought, after the Southampton/Portsmouth riots (I've seen/participated in, more "thuggish" violence at the derby games, back in the day) that it was worth taking a stroll down memory lane. Things don't seem to have moved on much, following the above post of mine, apart from the country being closer to a civil war than ever. Pick your side, ladies and don't say you weren't warned.

Given your previous use of the word "Traitors" to describe Remain voters, do you now agree with those calling the RNLI crews Traitors and threatening them because they assist the people in the small boats ?

[tdmickey3]

16 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

On my infrequent visits to this site, I thought, after the Southampton/Portsmouth riots (I've seen/participated in, more "thuggish" violence at the derby games, back in the day) that it was worth taking a stroll down memory lane. Things don't seem to have moved on much, following the above post of mine, apart from the country being closer to a civil war than ever. Pick your side, ladies and don't say you weren't warned.

🤣🤡🙄

[aintforever]

'Civil War' 🤣

[hypochondriac]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

17,410,742 voted Leave, out of 46,500,001 registered voters.

Given the propaganda we were served up we apparently regained control of our borders. Feel duped ?

 

There was shameful propaganda on both sides.

[Farmer Saint]

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The overwhelming majority can't claim asylum right now.  Doesn't stop them coming and trying though.

Yes, but in this case they wouldn't be able to try.

[bpsaint]

15 hours ago, aintforever said:

It’s kind of important though, if we were in the EU we wouldn’t have this problem with small boats that you are so terrified of.

The only way to stop the boats would be to go back in the EU or have an arrangement with France similar to the Dublin agreement. For that to happen I expect we would have to accept a certain amount of genuine asylum seekers from the EU. There is no cheap and easy fix to this issue. At least Labour seem to be doing a better job than the Conservatives ever did - remember it was a Conservative government that started this problem.

To be fair considering multiple EU countries are still overrun with migrants I don’t think us rejoining the EU will make a blind bit of difference. They’ll still keep heading for the land of milk and honey to get their free handouts.

Edited 5 hours ago by bpsaint

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Capsize a few boats, trace back the gangs to their origin countries, take them out. Use drones for the job.

Go on a social media blitz showing the UK to be a mean motherf**Ker in regards to illegal immigrants.

Make out that the EU is better.

Go hard, they go home.

Rather than being guided through the waters in by the RNLI, tents and buses with food and clothes waiting for them, with roads block off to give them a safe journey to their new, safe, accomodation you mean? 

[LuckyNumber7]

17 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Nope, I have solutions.

1. Reopen applications from abroad, and pass a law that anyone that comes across illegally is removed to country of origin irrespective of refugee status.

2. Rejoin the EU and take everything that comes with that, including the Euro and free movement of people if need be, and then ensure that we continue what we did before in removing using the Dublin agreement.

3. Start funding education in the countries that are the biggest issues, as well as tackling global inequality that pushed economic migrants towards Europe.

Other solutions are just sticking plasters.

Absolutely agree with No. 1.

2 and 3 are vomit inducing.

We do not need to rejoin the EU and all the shit that comes with it in order to protect our own borders. We just need a tough government that isn't scared of upsetting all the bleeding heart liberals and doing whatever it takes to deter people from coming here illegally. 

It's not our responsibility to teach the people in these backward muslim shitholes that their morals are wrong, not that they'd listen anyway.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There was shameful propaganda on both sides.

True.

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Absolutely agree with No. 1.

2 and 3 are vomit inducing.

We do not need to rejoin the EU and all the shit that comes with it in order to protect our own borders. We just need a tough government that isn't scared of upsetting all the bleeding heart liberals and doing whatever it takes to deter people from coming here illegally. 

It's not our responsibility to teach the people in these backward muslim shitholes that their morals are wrong, not that they'd listen anyway.

The education is around the reality of moving abroad and ensuring they're not conned by people traffickers. Massive investment is needed to increase living standards in these countries so that they don't want to move on. It's all driven by global inequality, so we need to solve the trigger.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

The education is around the reality of moving abroad and ensuring they're not conned by people traffickers. Massive investment is needed to increase living standards in these countries so that they don't want to move on. It's all driven by global inequality, so we need to solve the trigger.

How do we do that when we have a screwed economy aging population and so much debt ourselves?

Edited 5 hours ago by Turkish

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Turkish said:

How do we do that when we have a screwed economy aging population and so much debt ourselves?

Absolutely, it's a very unpalatable solution, as most are.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

🤣🤡🙄

🍺 🍻 🍷 

John’s refuelling habits haven’t changed either.

Edited 4 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[whelk]

I do wonder if the left Labour MPs would think more extreme action should be taken if it was Christian fundamentalists or Israeli Jewish immigrants coming over illegally with no tolerance of the Muslim way of life?