benjii Posted Tuesday at 10:06 Posted Tuesday at 10:06 46 minutes ago, DT said: Our scouting system seems to be asking Still if he's seen anyone in Ligue 1 that is okay, has two legs and is cheap, whilst pretending we're going for players who blatantly would never come and keeping all the shit ones we have already. I'm looking at YOU, Adam Armstrong I find the attitude of some people towards Armstrong quite bizarre. He was our best player the last time we got promoted. 9
Smirking_Saint Posted Tuesday at 10:08 Posted Tuesday at 10:08 14 minutes ago, disconnect said: Including a winger who our current manager didn't regularly play then proceeded to loan out 🙃 This is such a shitty take, both Lens and St Pauli are better than us and the latter desperately wanted to keep him We are not a prem team anymore and we don’t have the wingers our manager needs 3
InvictaSaint Posted Tuesday at 10:09 Posted Tuesday at 10:09 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can’t judge/predict a season on 1 game. Yet somehow you can judge Spors’ performance as “a shit show” two weeks before the window has closed… 5
Challenger Posted Tuesday at 10:10 Posted Tuesday at 10:10 1 hour ago, beatlesaint said: And that, in a nutshell, is why for what seems like years and years now we are stuck with a bloated squad full of mediocre shite that is overpaid and nobody wants. How much longer are we going to be caught in this groundhog day situation ffs ? As long as "we" keep buying the mediocre shite in the first place ,nothings going to change. 2
AlexLaw76 Posted Tuesday at 10:11 Posted Tuesday at 10:11 Just now, InvictaSaint said: Yet somehow you can judge Spors’ performance as “a shit show” two weeks before the window has closed… Yep, he has been here for a while, and had 6 months to prepare for this window. Wilcox managed to bring in players who immediately commanded starting berths in our team (and made us better) Quarshie and Downs are not that 3 1
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:16 Posted Tuesday at 10:16 3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Yep, he has been here for a while, and had 6 months to prepare for this window. Wilcox managed to bring in players who immediately commanded starting berths in our team (and made us better) Quarshie and Downs are not that That's the basis I'd be judging him on too. Downes and THB were absolute quality loans with options to buy and they had an immediate positive impact. That's the type of players Spors needs to bring in over the next fortnight or he will have performed clearly worse than Wilcox. 1
SWLondon Saint Posted Tuesday at 10:21 Posted Tuesday at 10:21 6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Yep, he has been here for a while, and had 6 months to prepare for this window. Wilcox managed to bring in players who immediately commanded starting berths in our team (and made us better) Quarshie and Downs are not that You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 3
CamSaint Posted Tuesday at 10:21 Posted Tuesday at 10:21 26 minutes ago, disconnect said: Including a winger who our current manager didn't regularly play then proceeded to loan out So a bit like loaning out Shea Charles for a season because he didn't play regularly and who has come back a much better player as a result of the loan?
AlexLaw76 Posted Tuesday at 10:21 Posted Tuesday at 10:21 (edited) Just now, SWLondon Saint said: You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 No mate, I mean THB, Downes and Fraser. They were brought in upon relegation, similar to the job that Spors is doing Edited Tuesday at 10:22 by AlexLaw76 2
ErwinK1961 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Just now, SWLondon Saint said: You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 They weren’t Wilcox. 2
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 1 minute ago, SWLondon Saint said: You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 Which of those were signed by Wilcox and which of those were signed in the championship?
ErwinK1961 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Yep, he has been here for a while, and had 6 months to prepare for this window. Wilcox managed to bring in players who immediately commanded starting berths in our team (and made us better) Quarshie and Downs are not that And when did Wilcox bring them in? June, or end of August? 1
sockeye Posted Tuesday at 10:22 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 1 minute ago, SWLondon Saint said: You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 Was that not Shields (& Rasmus for the Jan signings) 1
Turkish Posted Tuesday at 10:23 Posted Tuesday at 10:23 1 minute ago, SWLondon Saint said: You mean like those great Wilcox signings Larios, Small, Mara, Orsic, Sulemana, Tall Paul, and Bazunu? 🤔 Shields and Rasmus, before Wilcox time pal 2
AlexLaw76 Posted Tuesday at 10:25 Posted Tuesday at 10:25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: And when did Wilcox bring them in? June, or end of August? about this time / end of the window 2 years ago. They came in and clearly improved the side from day 1. So far, the signings we have made this summer MIGHT be good at some point Manning was brought in early - starter Edited Tuesday at 10:26 by AlexLaw76
SWLondon Saint Posted Tuesday at 10:25 Posted Tuesday at 10:25 Just now, Turkish said: Shields and Rasmus, before Wilcox time pal Fair enough, I thought he had 'input' on Jan 23 but guess I was wrong!
Willo of Whiteley Posted Tuesday at 10:26 Posted Tuesday at 10:26 1 hour ago, DT said: Our scouting system seems to be asking Still if he's seen anyone in Ligue 1 that is okay, has two legs and is cheap, whilst pretending we're going for players who blatantly would never come and keeping all the shit ones we have already. I'm looking at YOU, Adam Armstrong What a bizarre statement, just all round. Adam Armstrong is far from being the best player in the world, but he is also far off being the worst. You were probably first off your seat when he scored at Wembley, or did you throw a tantrum? He’s all proven countless times to be excellent at Chanpionship level. I wouldn’t say he’s done anything wrong this season, you can’t expect much from a 5”9” striker when he’s up against 6”4” defenders, but his pressing and closing down has been very good, as well as his movement. 4
Turkish Posted Tuesday at 10:26 Posted Tuesday at 10:26 Just now, SWLondon Saint said: Fair enough, I thought he had 'input' on Jan 23 but guess I was wrong! Dont you remember Rasmus proudly boasted he was personally taking charge of the Jan 23 window and we ended up with probably top 3 worst window of all time 1 1
goodymatt Posted Tuesday at 10:29 Posted Tuesday at 10:29 🇦🇲 No decision has been made in Krasnodar 🇷🇺 regarding the sale of Eduard Spertsyan 🇦🇲. The Russian club has not responded to Southampton’s 🏴 offer and does not seem in a hurry to let their player go. A decision will be made by the end of the day. 3 4
SWLondon Saint Posted Tuesday at 10:29 Posted Tuesday at 10:29 Just now, Turkish said: Dont you remember Rasmus proudly boasted he was personally taking charge of the Jan 23 window and we ended up with probably top 3 worst window of all time I just remember thinking with the whole Man city 'link ups' with Shields and Wilcox thinking it was all pretty dodgy regardless of 'gardening leave'. Bloody hell, I want to forget!
ally_uk Posted Tuesday at 10:30 Posted Tuesday at 10:30 Chelsea got any fringe players / younger lads who could a job on loan ? Same as City ? Wingers especially Anyone worth looking at ?
tdmickey3 Posted Tuesday at 10:31 Posted Tuesday at 10:31 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: Dont you remember Rasmus proudly boasted he was personally taking charge of the Jan 23 window and we ended up with probably top 3 worst window of all time Yep, he is and remains utterly useless
Scummer Posted Tuesday at 10:31 Posted Tuesday at 10:31 9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: No mate, I mean THB, Downes and Fraser. They were brought in upon relegation, similar to the job that Spors is doing None of them had been signed by this time two years ago 4
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:32 Posted Tuesday at 10:32 3 minutes ago, goodymatt said: 🇦🇲 No decision has been made in Krasnodar 🇷🇺 regarding the sale of Eduard Spertsyan 🇦🇲. The Russian club has not responded to Southampton’s 🏴 offer and does not seem in a hurry to let their player go. A decision will be made by the end of the day. Right so as suspected it's all a load of bollocks. Look elsewhere. 4
UpweySaint Posted Tuesday at 10:34 Posted Tuesday at 10:34 32 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Like oreily, Gakpo etc. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t sometimes. Without throwing in stupid names the likes of Gakpo, O’Reilly and Ramos are probably the top end of the type of players we could have attracted at the time. While we need to be realistic about who we can get over the line and contingency plan I think the bigger mistake would be to not target them at all. Spertysan may end up not coming off but based on his pedigree and the clubs who have been previously linked he would seem like a massive coup for us. If nobody better swoops in we may get a player who could add sorely needed creativity and make the step up if/when we go back up - something may of us are calling for with our signings. 7
AlexLaw76 Posted Tuesday at 10:35 Posted Tuesday at 10:35 2 minutes ago, Scummer said: None of them had been signed by this time two years ago Lets see how the great Spors does....
Saint NL Posted Tuesday at 10:37 Posted Tuesday at 10:37 7 minutes ago, goodymatt said: decision will be made by the end of the day. This is the best bit of news in that post. Either get it done or move on. Absolutely no point waiting. 4
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:37 Posted Tuesday at 10:37 1 minute ago, UpweySaint said: Damned if they do, damned if they don’t sometimes. Without throwing in stupid names the likes of Gakpo, O’Reilly and Ramos are probably the top end of the type of players we could have attracted at the time. While we need to be realistic about who we can get over the line and contingency plan I think the bigger mistake would be to not target them at all. Spertysan may end up not coming off but based on his pedigree and the clubs who have been previously linked he would seem like a massive coup for us. If nobody better swoops in we may get a player who could add sorely needed creativity and make the step up if/when we go back up - something may of us are calling for with our signings. I'll be the first person to congratulate the club if we pulled something like that off. The other side of things is when we signed proven top championship quality like Downes and THB that got us promoted. I'm hoping we recognise when the chance of anything happening is remote and we move elsewhere and down the list.
Turkish Posted Tuesday at 10:38 Posted Tuesday at 10:38 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Right so as suspected it's all a load of bollocks. Look elsewhere. As suspected its the club playing us not the player 1
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:39 Posted Tuesday at 10:39 Just now, Turkish said: As suspected its the club playing us not the player Quite possibly but presumably the player isn't too upset about it. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted Tuesday at 10:40 Posted Tuesday at 10:40 Oxlade-Chamberlain to Birmingham (apparently) 1
Turkish Posted Tuesday at 10:41 Posted Tuesday at 10:41 Just now, hypochondriac said: Quite possibly but presumably the player isn't too upset about it. Maybe he's not forcing a move, he's been at the club for years so maybe he's treating them respectfully. I like that quality in a person
Chez Posted Tuesday at 10:43 Posted Tuesday at 10:43 1 minute ago, UpweySaint said: Damned if they do, damned if they don’t sometimes. Without throwing in stupid names the likes of Gakpo, O’Reilly and Ramos are probably the top end of the type of players we could have attracted at the time. While we need to be realistic about who we can get over the line and contingency plan I think the bigger mistake would be to not target them at all. Spertysan may end up not coming off but based on his pedigree and the clubs who have been previously linked he would seem like a massive coup for us. If nobody better swoops in we may get a player who could add sorely needed creativity and make the step up if/when we go back up - something may of us are calling for with our signings. Plenty of moaning on here about us buying inexperienced nippers/potential, squad players or mediocre/shit, and then more moaning about our failure to offload the deadwood...yet if we target quality players, that end up at bigger clubs, we are unrealistic, time-wasting etc. 4
ally_uk Posted Tuesday at 10:44 Posted Tuesday at 10:44 Think we need to stop putting all eggs into one basket, move on from Spertsyan. If he wants to come to Saints, offer is on table if not piss off move on.... 1
for_heaven's_Saint Posted Tuesday at 10:46 Posted Tuesday at 10:46 17 minutes ago, goodymatt said: 🇦🇲 No decision has been made in Krasnodar 🇷🇺 regarding the sale of Eduard Spertsyan 🇦🇲. The Russian club has not responded to Southampton’s 🏴 offer and does not seem in a hurry to let their player go. A decision will be made by the end of the day. Really not sure this bloke knows much. If they’re not in a hurry then why would they make a decision by the end of the day? 2
goodymatt Posted Tuesday at 10:47 Posted Tuesday at 10:47 Armenie football account suggesting Spertysan wants to join Southampton but he suggests Krasnador are just holding out to see if any bigger offers arrive. Much like we are doing with Dibling tbf. Feel this will rumble on close to the end of the window, if nobody else comes in then we might just sign a player way too good for the championship. I’m happy for us to stay in that race but we must be looking at alternatives incase it ends up falling through. 3
UpweySaint Posted Tuesday at 10:48 Posted Tuesday at 10:48 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I'll be the first person to congratulate the club if we pulled something like that off. The other side of things is when we signed proven top championship quality like Downes and THB that got us promoted. I'm hoping we recognise when the chance of anything happening is remote and we move elsewhere and down the list. Fair enough, no disagreement with your point. It sounds like we had genuine interest in Rudoni who probably fits the TBH and Downes model of proven at the top end of the championship you are referring to. I wonder if we’ll go back for him if we have any big money in for Dibling and/Fernandes. The jury is very much out on the window so far but I do like that the signings we have made at least make sense on the surface. We needed pace and height in the back line - we’ve got it albeit in a very raw player. We needed the same up top and Downs fits the brief and has some reasonable pedigree - easy to say it but I think if he can get an early goal for confidence we’ll see a lot more from him. If not it could take a while for him to bed in and Stewart may get the nod (if fit!!)
Saint Matty 76 Posted Tuesday at 10:50 Posted Tuesday at 10:50 The club are in no rush but a decision will be made tonight is a spectacular update. 5
UpweySaint Posted Tuesday at 10:51 Posted Tuesday at 10:51 4 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Think we need to stop putting all eggs into one basket, move on from Spertsyan. If he wants to come to Saints, offer is on table if not piss off move on.... I don’t see it as either or. There is nothing that stops us working on plan B and C while keeping the offer in the table. We have a few weeks yet so still have time before we need to push for a final decision. Ideally we would have all our business done before the season starts but that’s tough to do for plenty of reasons. If Spertysan gets over the line at the end of the window I will be genuinely excited to see what he can offer. 2
ErwinK1961 Posted Tuesday at 10:53 Posted Tuesday at 10:53 27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: about this time / end of the window 2 years ago. They came in and clearly improved the side from day 1. So far, the signings we have made this summer MIGHT be good at some point Manning was brought in early - starter Probably should wait and see what happens then at the end of the window. Also Manning lol - are you going to pretend that he didn’t get slagged off for pretty much the entirety of his Saints career 1
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:53 Posted Tuesday at 10:53 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chez said: Plenty of moaning on here about us buying inexperienced nippers/potential, squad players or mediocre/shit, and then more moaning about our failure to offload the deadwood...yet if we target quality players, that end up at bigger clubs, we are unrealistic, time-wasting etc. It's all about when we decide that those players aren't going to happen and we move on to other targets. As long as we get quality in and also decent replacements for the good players who will leave that will immediately. Improve us I'll be happy. Not long left to do that though and the link to the winger yesterday isn't the level of player I'd be looking for in that bracket. 5 minutes ago, UpweySaint said: Fair enough, no disagreement with your point. It sounds like we had genuine interest in Rudoni who probably fits the TBH and Downes model of proven at the top end of the championship you are referring to. I wonder if we’ll go back for him if we have any big money in for Dibling and/Fernandes. The jury is very much out on the window so far but I do like that the signings we have made at least make sense on the surface. We needed pace and height in the back line - we’ve got it albeit in a very raw player. We needed the same up top and Downs fits the brief and has some reasonable pedigree - easy to say it but I think if he can get an early goal for confidence we’ll see a lot more from him. If not it could take a while for him to bed in and Stewart may get the nod (if fit!!) Personally I'd like to see us make a big bid for fellows. That's the sort of player I think would improve us immediately. I don't necessarily disagree with signing downs and Quarshie (although in downs' case I would have liked to have seen a more reliable goalscorer signed for that position and a proper Adams replacement) but we must admit that they are quite different players to the ones we signed last time and are more viewed as players with good attributes who have the potential to move up the leagues with us. Edited Tuesday at 10:55 by hypochondriac 1
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:54 Posted Tuesday at 10:54 3 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: The club are in no rush but a decision will be made tonight is a spectacular update. Also they haven't responded to the offer but presumably will this evening? Why wait? And why tell some random Armenian on social media that you will make an announcement later that day?
Saint Matty 76 Posted Tuesday at 10:55 Posted Tuesday at 10:55 Also, every deal runs this way but we just clearly have a very active agent feeding stuff through this Armenian channel. People suggesting we should just walk away because it’s not immediate are hilarious. We are a Championship club and not a desirable option. I’m not sure why anyone thinks we have some huge leverage here and people with pedigree are dying to join us. As long as we have alternatives lined up in case of failure, we should absolutely pursue these bigger deals. I don’t personally believe it’ll go through, but SR criticism based on us going for higher-end targets is very bizarre. 4
SambaMaverick Posted Tuesday at 10:55 Posted Tuesday at 10:55 Is it really a Saints transfer window without a long-running saga around some Carlos Kickaball scouted seemingly only through YouTube? I wouldn't have it any other way
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:57 Posted Tuesday at 10:57 3 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: Probably should wait and see what happens then at the end of the window. Also Manning lol - are you going to pretend that he didn’t get slagged off for pretty much the entirety of his Saints career Yeah Manning is a bad example for me and is more of a Quarshie type signing albeit with previous league experience.
hypochondriac Posted Tuesday at 10:57 Posted Tuesday at 10:57 1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said: Is it really a Saints transfer window without a long-running saga around some Carlos Kickaball scouted seemingly only through YouTube? I wouldn't have it any other way Skacel was my favourite because it actually happened and he was mostly crap. 1
Sevvy Posted Tuesday at 10:58 Posted Tuesday at 10:58 (edited) I would rather the transfer window was shut the week before the season started, Xxxx would stop all this crap a few games in, Edited Tuesday at 10:58 by Sevvy 9
SambaMaverick Posted Tuesday at 10:59 Posted Tuesday at 10:59 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Skacel was my favourite because it actually happened and he was mostly crap. Gaston Ramirez is the one that sticks in my mind It was bordering ridiculous, he was decent I guess but nowhere near worth all that fuss
Football Special Posted Tuesday at 11:06 Posted Tuesday at 11:06 1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said: One view is that the club has strategised this window aligned with the playing side, attempting to learn from the season before last. So, Spors and Still were aware that the stars worth serious money were likely to be picked off right up to window close, and the wantaway players would be agitating throughout. Incoming players June / July had to be very low risk. A matter of being competitive in the first cluster of games to absorb the disturbance of this - which to be fair Still has achieved so far. The next fortnight was always going to be the period when the real business gets done for a club in Saints' odd position of being relegated after a humiliating season with £100-130m plus of desirable / saleable assets. Best case scenario in the circumstances perhaps, but let's hope that this is the case - think it's going to be a very busy finale. I agree, I think we did fairly well completely some sales early enough. Money in for Sulemana, Onuacho and Bednarek all with sizeable wages off the books and Ramsdale loan completed with some money in to cover what we need to pay to Arsenal. Shame Aribo, Edozie deals are dragging, seems like the club are not making any attempt to keep them
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